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Juan Fonseca

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Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« on: August 18, 2020, 03:05:25 PM »
        The Hammer Web Tour has been a favorite for its controlled motion when the conditions called for it. League and tournament bowlers of all levels bought at least one, which made them scarce. Hammer Bowling brings you the next incarnation, the Hammer Web TE Hybrid.
   Using the same Spheroid TE core with the specs of an RG of 2.470 and Diff of a controllable 0.030 at 15 lbs., you will see a ball motion with more length and a strong continuation down lane than the original. The lighter weights at 12 and 13 have an adjusted core with a higher RG of 2.585 and a higher Diff of 0.040. The adjustment will give similar motions for bowlers who need to use lighter weights and have slower ball speeds.
   The colors are Black and Blue Pearl and with the TourV1 Hybrid cover and a smoother box finish at 500/1500 Siaair Micro Pad, the Web TE Hybrid matches up for medium volumes or for bowlers who had to adjust the original’s surface because it seemed too strong overall for their bowling environment.
   This ball will add performance and versatility to you bag. Get your orders in a.s.a.p., you won’t regret it. More info available at www.hammerbowling.com
Recommended cleaner: Hammer Tough Scrub.

Juan Fonseca
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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2020, 07:55:41 AM »
This could be an IQ killer.

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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2020, 12:50:20 PM »
Will be interesting to see how different from the OG it really ends up being.
Stuff I have: Web Tour Solid, Boo-Yah Pro, After Dark Pearl
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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2020, 01:52:55 PM »
I have drilled the new Hammer Web TE Hybrid with the same drilling specs as my original Web TE. 80x4.25x30. In syms, I use the drilling angle from the PAP to the thumb hole, since this is the biggest void in the ball and balance/core reshaping holes are no longer allowed in sanctioned competition.

Unfortunately, Calif. is not opened to bowling so my personal observations will have to wait. From talking to others who have tested the hybrid, they are seeing more length and a quicker response to the friction. This makes sense due to the cover change. Same shape just later. I believe smoothing out the cover a bit more, we will see more pop on the back. Not sure if polish is a good idea, but that will be decided upon the bowler's stats and what the are bowling on.

Hopw this helps a bit.
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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2020, 02:49:50 PM »

I'm going to ask the same question here as I did elsewhere, which I got snark for a response.

I'm wondering what the difference is - in terms of roll, shape, continuation, etc. - between the US version of this ball now being dropped, and the international version of this ball that was released a little under a year ago.

  • Both have the same core. That's a given.
  • Coverstocks are different. (TourV1 Hybrid on the US version, Aggression Hybrid CFI on the overseas release; the same cover as the Statement Hybrid).
  • Finishes are different. 500/1500 Siaair Micro Pad on the US, 2000 Abralon on the overseas.

Interestingly enough, on the new Web TE Hybrid released overseas, they slightly changed the OOB finish, where it is straight 1500 Siaair, instead of the 500/1500 finish we're getting here.

Now obviously, the timing of the release of the overseas ball and the use of abralon here are just one of the things that is telling me that this was one of the last Hopkinsville pours; however, I'm wondering why they would release two of the same balls, with the same name both US and overseas, and how these would compare to each other.

The PDFs are too big to attach, so here are the specs of the overseas release:

Coverstock: Aggression Hybrid CFI
Core: Spheroid TE
Color: Black/Royal Blue/Cherry Red
Factory Finish: 2000 grit Abralon
RG: 2.47
Diff: 0.030
Mass Bios: None
Performance: Length with Continuous Backend

https://www.legend-star.com/images/img_hammer/web_tour_edition_hybrid.pdf

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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2020, 01:18:06 PM »
I will attempt to answer you as best as I can. When balls are usually made for the International market, they are built to order. Meaning only a specific number is made of that particular ball. What makes them "rare" here in the U.S. is that the numbers made are so low and what's "rare" is the remaining inventory. The is a customer need/want difference between the U.S. and other countries.

The Tour V1 cover on the Hammer WebTE is the only ball to have that cover and it was produced in KY. It's intent was to have a smoother overall ball motion, think urethane-like but not a urethane cover. It's core is the Spheriod TE Core. This is the Spheroid core that is in the Web series without the flip block. Again to make the ball motion more controllable. You can see the difference in the differential numbers, Web .048 and WebTE .30 @15lbs. The original Web was the Aggression Hybrid cover and as you pointed out the CFI version was on the Statement Hybrid.

So you have the same core (Spheriod TE) with the Web cover and now with CFI (Carbon Fiber Infused) added. Now add in the rougher surface prep and what does all this really mean in ball reaction between the two? Without rolling them side by side, I would say the Hammer WebTE Hybrid would still push further down the lane than the original but have a smoother reaction off the pattern than the overseas release. The TourV1 cover is pretty early reading.

Of course, a bowler's skill set and a change in surface grits will expand the range of motions, but only to a point. All in all, I would think they are close and would be nominal as the lanes transition.

I hope this helps.


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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2020, 01:50:10 PM »
I will attempt to answer you as best as I can. When balls are usually made for the International market, they are built to order. Meaning only a specific number is made of that particular ball. What makes them "rare" here in the U.S. is that the numbers made are so low and what's "rare" is the remaining inventory. The is a customer need/want difference between the U.S. and other countries.

The Tour V1 cover on the Hammer WebTE is the only ball to have that cover and it was produced in KY. It's intent was to have a smoother overall ball motion, think urethane-like but not a urethane cover. It's core is the Spheriod TE Core. This is the Spheroid core that is in the Web series without the flip block. Again to make the ball motion more controllable. You can see the difference in the differential numbers, Web .048 and WebTE .30 @15lbs. The original Web was the Aggression Hybrid cover and as you pointed out the CFI version was on the Statement Hybrid.

So you have the same core (Spheriod TE) with the Web cover and now with CFI (Carbon Fiber Infused) added. Now add in the rougher surface prep and what does all this really mean in ball reaction between the two? Without rolling them side by side, I would say the Hammer WebTE Hybrid would still push further down the lane than the original but have a smoother reaction off the pattern than the overseas release. The TourV1 cover is pretty early reading.

Of course, a bowler's skill set and a change in surface grits will expand the range of motions, but only to a point. All in all, I would think they are close and would be nominal as the lanes transition.

I hope this helps.

This does help, thanks. Now for the kicker. that PSO overseas on Japan finally put out a demo of the new WebTE Hybrid, and compared it to the other one that came out overseas. I think you're right in that the new one would have a smoother reaction off the pattern than the overseas one, as I do see a bit more pop off the overseas one when they do the compare.

I have to say I'm loving the continuation on both of them, as this and the control factor of it scream "tournament ball". Definitely going to pick one up to replace my now cracked GB2 MVP.


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Re: Here comes the Hammer Web TE Hybrid (9/3/2020)
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2020, 01:23:11 PM »
Sounds great! It is a Tournament piece and not just a marketing label of Tour Edition (TE). As I consult bowlers about equipment, one ball can look like it "responds quicker", "earlier" or some version of a shape can be due to the lane surface, the bowler being able to change AR and AT. The only true way to compare is to roll them side by side, same bowler, as close to the same release parameters as possible and drill patterns.

I did get to bowl with the Hammer Web TE Hybrid recently. The smooth motion is the same as my original TE, just later down lane. Currently all the new balls I'm drilling, I'm drilling similar to balls in their performance level. The difference in both Web TEs is that I went a little longer with the pin to PAP distance in hope to help push it further then the Solid. I got  what I was looking for. I hope you do too. Good Luck!
Juan Fonseca
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