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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Dave81644 on October 08, 2014, 11:40:20 PM
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those of you that have used it, is it stronger than the GB2?
looking for some more downlane motion out of my next piece
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It's basically a First Blood. If you've seen anybody throw that, the Bad Ass will do virtually the exact same thing.
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The Bad Ass is actually about 6-8 more boards than a First Blood, but with a little different motion... If you are looking for a ball with more backend, but rolls similar to the GB2, this WILL be the ball you are looking for.
For me, the Bad Ass reminds me of the original Ebonite V2 ball, but with a little more angle in the backends. The cover is very tunable and can play on a variety of medium-medium heavier patterns.
I was a little skeptical at 1st when I heard the numbers on this ball (compared to the Absolut series), but after throwing mine for 2 weeks now on a variety of lane patterns (PBA Bear, Highway to Hell, USBC Nationals Team, & THS), I am impressed with the motion that I see with this ball - very clean with a strong continuous motion in the mid-lane with a pop in the backends. This ball has now replaced 2 of my Absolut balls in my arsenal & plan on drilling up another one in the near future.
Out of box, this ball is about 3-4 boards stronger overall than my Legend / Deadly Aim ball, which is saying a lot since I LOVE those pieces from Hammer.
With the new symmetric core and the new coverstock combo, this will definitely turn some heads on the lanes. I have already pre-sold 8 of these at my pro shop & I think Hammer has a possible Ball of the Year with this new release....
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Michael - i am considering another GB2 with a stronger layout ofor the bad ass.
looking for a stronger downlane motion.
my current GB@ is at OBB and pin in middle finger which is about 5" to PAP
was thinking about pin in ring finger or slightly above ring finger in a another GB2
I typically use a 4.5 - 5" pin on my layouts as i like the continuous/predictable motion it gives me
a stronger symmetric with a stronger arcing motion is what im looking for ideally
Asymmetrics tend to change direction and face up to quick for me
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If you want something similar but more downlane motion, I'd look at the Track LX05 or a HyRoad Solid
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im sticking with EBI & the LX05 is for medium or light oil patterns?
diff is only .038
going to go with Bad ass and a stronger layout, adjust surface if need be
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im sticking with EBI & the LX05 is for medium or light oil patterns?
diff is only .038
going to go with Bad ass and a stronger layout, adjust surface if need be
LX05 is for medium oil and can play on med-light or med-heavy depending on surface prep and bowler, it has a fairly strong cover.
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Its badass strong, duh.
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We have an Ebonite brands demo day here on Sunday, the Bad Ass will be there and I'll be able to make a better evaluation, but if you watch the Hammer ball videos, the First Blood and Bad Ass being thrown by the same people on the same shots, they're extremely similar, though the Bad Ass appears to roll a little heavier and a little earlier. .
Bad Ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TzooI5tlSs
First Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzGoLBrt5qQ&list=UU8rXuufydJNClQZhy8o8NNw
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We have an Ebonite brands demo day here on Sunday, the Bad Ass will be there and I'll be able to make a better evaluation, but if you watch the Hammer ball videos, the First Blood and Bad Ass being thrown by the same people on the same shots, they're extremely similar, though the Bad Ass appears to roll a little heavier and a little earlier. .
Bad Ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TzooI5tlSs
First Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzGoLBrt5qQ&list=UU8rXuufydJNClQZhy8o8NNw
Were you able to attend the Ebonite Demo day? I'd be interested in hearing your feedback...
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I saw this video today from Ronald Hickland about the Badass: http://youtu.be/QiMejES2VrM
It sounds like he is saying they got more with less, not sure I understand that.
What do you think?
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I watched the league secretary use one Tuesday night in our house shot league. We had a little bit of a wet/dry to start with. He usually had a fairly rolly release and he was still in over/under hell for all 3 games. (For most of us, the wet/dry was gone sometime in the start of the 2nd game.) I don't know what drilling he had on it, but after watching him throw it, I wasn't even interested in finding out.
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Seems to me the Bad Ass overlaps a lot of other balls in the Hammer Line Up. That's one issue I see. But I would like to see it in action personally, but I already have both current Black Widows and the Bad Ass seems to either need to replace one (BW Assassin). If this is a replacement for their current upper level line I'd be interested in seeing where it goes because I'm a fan of these types of core shapes.
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i passed on this piece for now, the numbers are the same as the GB2, just different surfaces.
i may try the new track piece and have some more surface and a stronger layout
hearing some good things about this ball so far
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If there is any reason why I would get the Bad Ass, it would be because they took the original Faball core and updated it a bit (per Ron Hickland's video). Outside of that, you're looking at a similar coverstock and a next-gen Faball core.
I was tempted, then saw a DV8 rep throw the Thug. Both are impressive, but I'll more than likely pass on both, as well as the Salute.
BL.
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Surprised by the question "how strong" because BTM rated it a 9 on the Dry pattern for both the Stroker and Tweener and did not even test it on the Heavy Oil pattern.
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Surprised by the question "how strong" because BTM rated it a 9 on the Dry pattern for both the Stroker and Tweener and did not even test it on the Heavy Oil pattern.
Interesting: premium price for a dry-medium oil handling ball.
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I bet you it aint stronger than my rude dude at a fraction of the cost.
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to the original question i think it will be about the same overall as the GB2 but cleaner and more downlane.
to the side comments id expect a medium-heavy hammer ball to be a true medium ball but i didnt expect such high comments for it also on drier patterns
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If this ball is as strong or stronger than the first blood there is no way you could use it on drier patterns
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Im surprised everyone is saying it's that strong. It hooks a lot in the back on a ths but it's very clean and i could see it being a dart on heavier oil. I'm more matched than my teammate i drilled one for but his goes really straight we are gonna make a surface adjustment for next week. Mine covers more boards than my sigma sting but it's a lot cleaner and is just more in the back part of the lane on my medium volume typical house shots.
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Im surprised everyone is saying it's that strong. It hooks a lot in the back on a ths but it's very clean and i could see it being a dart on heavier oil. I'm more matched than my teammate i drilled one for but his goes really straight we are gonna make a surface adjustment for next week. Mine covers more boards than my sigma sting but it's a lot cleaner and is just more in the back part of the lane on my medium volume typical house shots.
The Bad Ass seems like a pure medium oil lane condition ball. But Hammer already has plenty of other balls currently out for the same condition that perform just as well it seems. I like the B.W. Legend a little more than I like the Bad Ass right now so I'll be sticking with that. I'm still on the market for something on heavier oil conditions so I'll keep a eye out for their next release. One of the balls in my current line-up would probably have to bite the dust because I personally already have balls that fill the hole that this ball is made for.
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Would the Bad Ass be considered Hammer's "Benchmark" ball? I'm just asking because in the video where they where showing how the Bad Ass handled being used after (x) amount of shots and how the ball did not over react or require a lot of adjustments. I was wondering because that is a characteristic that could be used to describe a benchmark ball.