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toomanytenpins

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mercy from my no mercy
« on: February 19, 2007, 04:22:32 PM »
i have read so many posts and even talked to people using this ball with great success that i am trully perplexed. I have polished it had it redrilled to move everything left 2 inches,shot it at 2000 and now its at 1000 and for the life of me i cant get it to work on anything but the driest conditions.
   Last night they put out a pretty good amont of oil in leagues and most people struggled with the shot. I was trying to use the nm and no matter where i tried to use it from it wouldnt face the pocket. off the gutter straight up 17 standing on 25 swing it out to 15 from 20 ,you name it i tried it and i mean it did nothing. I shot 140 with it. i usually use it for 7 pins and if i wasnt dead on it wouldnt move a board. I only throw about 14 or 15 mph on a good day and i know i was only throwing it about 12 last night.Switching between it and my battle i finally found a line with the battle but the nm got bagged after the first game.
    The real kicker about last night was after league . I picked up my epic and shot a decent game after the shot broke down so i was waiting to see the pot results and someone mentioned they were getting a nm drilled. I said save your money and almost got into a fight with a guy who was saying how great the ball was and how much score he was putting up with it ,how it hooked so much and this and that and i am like,Huh.Then he showed me his ball and it looked like he had polished it it was so oil soaked. he used it all night and shot pretty good with a high game of 261 with cap. Our drills are similar except his pin is under the fingers and mine is above ,(both are right of fingers).
     I used it tonight on a burnt up shot and it worked like it should have worked last night . I was playing the same line with it tonight that i played with my epic last night and if i was too fast it was a washout. I was also using a polished power groove tonight and it was out hooking the nm but 3 to 5 boards. Ok i know the nm was burning up . I didnt say it wasnt hooking i said the power groove was hooking more. Last night the nm wasnt hooking. So what gives. what am I doing so wrong with this ball. Any advice any suggestions or should i just follow my first mine and polish it again and use it for my twn pins.
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 12:44:58 AM »
Do you spin the ball?

If your a low tracker, the No Mercy will be a spare ball for you.
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 04:01:39 AM »
320 I will disagree aboutyh the "low tracker' statement. My wife is a low tracker and she can swing this ball like no other she has ever owned.

I know what the bag says, but I disagree with it and drilled hers up #2 with the pin just above ring finger and heart to the right of thumb about 1 1/2 in. and she loves it. This might not be for everyone but she has uped her average and has not had many nights that somewhere in her set she doesn't get a 200. Might not sound impressive to you but it's good for her.

I keep her NM at 4000, clean after each game and Clean N Dull after each set.
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 04:25:54 AM »
looks like another "love-it-or-hate-it-ball" to me....
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 06:44:26 AM »
It certainly is starting out in that love it or hate it mode for me. When the cover is fresh, I love it. However, when the ball shines up, which happened to me after just 6 games (and I cleaned the ball after each 3-game set), I sort of hate it.

I'm thinking that the key to my happiness will simply be to hit it with fresh 4000 Abralon before each set. If I don't, the thing gets as glossy as a black Pure Hammer in to time flat. This ball is going to end up being more high maintenance than my old Granite Gargoyle!
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 07:30:48 AM »
For whatever reason the NO MERCY doesn't work for everyone.  I can't explain why some have great success with it while others don't.

I know 2 good bowlers that had problems with there's.

The one thing I don't have a problem with is my NM being weak.  That it's not!  It's very strong and has a huge back end move.  

This is what you do.  Dull it too 360 grit and try it out.  Then change the cover to 500 grit and try it out.  Keep going up in grits until you find the reaction that works for you.  

If you don't own a set of abralon pads then I suggest buying some.
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alzgarvin

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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 08:37:48 AM »
toomanytenpins,    What is the pin to PAP distance? You say you moved every thing left and the pin is still right of your ring? If so then you are too close to your PAP if you are a low tracker. A low tracker 4 1/2 over and less than that will have a pin just to right of bridge centerline (above or below) or even above or below the middle finger to be the required 4 to 5" pin to PAP distance.....irregardless of the pictures in the drill sheet. I know this is confusing by Hammers pictures, but their directions are clear about keeping pin to PAP above 4. If you look at the low tracker layout...#8    it even shows the pin under middle finger. Pin under is better for spinner releases as it needs to get an earlier read, as well as pin positions that are bad for you when right of ring( which work great for higher track players. ) I drilled  one #8 for a low track lefty and he loves it ...pin under middle and heart in track below thumb. My pin under ring NoMercy at 1000 abralon ( my PAP is 4 7/8 over and 7/8 up) is 4" from PAP and heart in track is a beast on oil. Once I lose the oil and can't chase it in deeper the ball starts to not recover, as all dull aggressive balls will do without enough oil. If your Power groove is hooking more with its high rg shiny cover and mild core, then your NoMercy with a dull surface a too close a pin to PAP( 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 ) is definitely burning up and loosing energy. It was probably burning up the previous night also. When shiny and weak out hooks your dull and powerful, you are burning up and quitting. Is it the ball that has died....I think not. It is hard to tell sometimes by the ball motion on the lane, but trust me, when I start to leave a flat ten, I check the ball when it returns and check the amount of oil (or lack of) on the ball. If I don't have some decent rings it is time to move in deeper to catch some oil, or time to put him away and go to something longer and weaker covered. I know it is frustrating, but I truly feel the ball is too dull for you, but if you shine it and play direct up the outside it will probably still read too earl with its low pin to PAP distance. As you are forced to swing it it burns up. Just my opinion and experience, Al

toomanytenpins

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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 06:15:13 PM »
i am use to hearing that a ball was burning up and this is why it wasnt hooking ,or it was hooking at my feet and therefore didnt have any enrgy when it got to the pin deck ,so forth and so on, but trust me, there was plenty of oil sunday night and there is no way it was burning up. I am a high track player and in fact my track has changed since i started trying to use the no mercy. My pin to pap is 4 inches and the pin is above bridge to the right of the ring. I have one of the misalighned balls. my pin is inside of the heart and cg almost an inch and my driller said four inches was as far as he could go because of the balls static weights. I have thrown this ball with every hand position that i know of except for spinning. Like i said before i didnt say it wasnt hooking on the dry shot because it was and i shot 230 with it. It almost seems backwards to me. Its smooth and continuous yes,but, lazy especially when there is oil.
     Shot with it again today dry shot again all i can find to practice on,and shot pretty good with it. Same smooth arch continous through the pocket great carry,but i was also using my columbia white dot on the same line with the same result. I unfortunately dont have a camera and i am sure all you guys think i am crazy.This is a great dry lane ball and for all the hype there has to be something wrong with mine that i can only use it on dry lanes even at 1000.
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chitown

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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 06:51:32 AM »
Too, this may just not be the ball for you.  Like I said before, friends of mine(good bowlers) had no luck with theirs.

I'm not sure why this ball doesn't work for some bowlers?

It's a real shame that some don't get to see how great this ball really is.  For me it's awesome!  Of course it has to be used on the correct patterns but for the most part I have shot some really big games with it.  I like it becuase it's a strong but controllable reaction.  Plus it does flat out crush the pins.
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 08:22:36 AM »
toomanytenpins,    I got the low tracker info from your profile. This was by no means a slam on your style or ability. I am closer to a low tracker than a high one for sure. If you are higher than 5 1/2 over and 1 up , then you are laid out ok, but if your PAP is under this then the pin should be no further right than 12 o clock above ring or six oclock below. It would be better to use a #2 layout position of the heart than to get your pin too close to your PAP. I know those misaligned early releases were great for lefty set ups but sucked for us righties. If you decide to plug and redrill and you are truly a 5" PAP or under bowler, I would put the pin below the fingers at 4 1/2 from PAP and get the heart as far left as you can but keep the side weight(neg) legal.I also drill the ring finger very shallow ( cut grip and leave just deep enough your finger doesn't bottom) and then drill the middle finger quite deep to take out some of the negative weight. If you have a lower top weight you can actually make up a lot for the misaligned ones by doing this. Heart may actually be right of or below thumb. Start at 2000 abralon. Or keep it for dry and by a Toxic this time. If you play somewhere on the dry, outsides or backends...this ball makes a huge move on the back with the same great hammer hit and carry, ....but if you are on a lot of oil or carrydown this may not be enough. I hate it when I punch up a ball for myself or someone else and they just don't match up. But sometimes it is the layout too. Good luck and if you need anything shout back, Al

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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 08:31:33 AM »
I had the same problem with my no mercy... I had it at box, 2000, then 1000 and later on hit it with a green scotch brite pad. I finally decided to give the ball a hot water bath and it made a huge difference. I never realized a ball could soak up so much oil. Now i have the NM back to 2000 and it is an arcing machine. The NM is a ball that will show you no mercy if you don't keep her clean =P
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Re: mercy from my no mercy
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 11:37:08 AM »
The NM is one ball that needs to be drilled right. This ball needs to be drilled off a bowlers pap.  A lot of pro shops don't drill off a bowlers pap.  They can get away with it on certain bowling balls but not this one.




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