Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 05, 2007, 04:34:26 AM
I picked up another No Mercy....how should I drill it? Remember I had the #1 layout on my first one and had to redrill it. I ended up placing the pin below the ring finger. So I am looking for input from you folks on what I should do with this ball.
Thanks,
Carl
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Post by: Fatboy8 on April 05, 2007, 05:04:29 PM
First time I've seen a "non bag" drilling on the Mercy. Looks impressive.
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Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 08:59:32 AM
Carl, the further left you move the thumb the more back end flip starts to occur. That's what I have notice.
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Post by: anotherwindup on April 06, 2007, 09:46:33 AM
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Carl, the further left you move the thumb the more back end flip starts to occur. That's what I have notice.
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Chi- You mean the HART, here don't you?
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Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 10:03:15 AM
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Carl, the further left you move the thumb the more back end flip starts to occur. That's what I have notice.
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Chi- You mean the HART, here don't you?
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hahahah! Opps!
Yes move the HART left of thumb (right hander).
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Post by: Monster Stitch on April 06, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
I have mine on my second flare ring.
Post by: Monster Stitch on April 06, 2007, 10:41:45 AM
I have mine on my second flare ring.
Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 10:59:43 AM
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How far left?
I have mine on my second flare ring.
That should be good enough to give you a really strong down lane reaction.
I know a couple bolwers who had the #1 aggressive layout on there NM's. It seemd that the pro shop just looked at the picture on the drill sheet and put the pin next to the ring finger and kicked the HART in the track flare. What ended up happening is the pin was too close to there pap's. This gave both of them mild back end reactions.
See one can't use the picture on the drill sheets. For one bowler 4.5" from pap may be over the ring finger, not next to it.
If one reads the drill sheet they will see that Hammer suggests a certain pin distance from the bowlers pap. The pictures are just a rough idea of how it would look.
I garuntee if a bowler places the pin 3 3/8 from there pap with the HART left of there thumb (right hander) they won't get the super strong down lane reaction that this ball is capable of. Now this same bowler takes another NM and puts the pin 4.5" to 5.5" from there pap and the HART in the track flare and the reaction will be a lot stronger down lane.
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Post by: EL on April 06, 2007, 11:05:05 AM
Post by: slap on April 06, 2007, 11:06:36 AM
Would you adjust your recomendation for a low tracker?
My PAP is 4 over 1/8 down. I have a NM waiting at the shop and I've been considering the #8 drilling.
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Post by: EL on April 06, 2007, 11:07:59 AM
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Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
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Chitown,
Would you adjust your recommendation for a low tracker?
My PAP is 4 over 1/8 down. I have a NM waiting at the shop and I've been considering the #8 drilling.
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The #8 layout sounds great. It shows a picture of the pin below the middle finger and HART left of thumb for a right hander. Now it also says to place the pin 4" - 5" from the bowlers pap. So if you put the pin 4.5" from your pap and it ends up a little past the middle finger then that's where it would go. Basically the pictures are just a rough idea of where the pin would be. It not meant to be exact. Now in your case the pin 4.5" from your pap may end up under your middle finger.
Let us know how the #8 works for you.
This is actually a great example of how this ball could be drilled wrong. Let's say you went to the pro shop with this ball. Let's say the driller didn't know your pap or that you were a low track player. So he drills it up with the #1 aggressive layout with the pin next to the ring finger. You get the ball, roll it on the lanes and it appears weak on the back end. Little did you know, the driller just put the pin next to your ring and it's 2.5" from your pap. No wonder this ball doesn't work.
My point is this stuff happens. I have heard some bowler on here say that the NM hardly hooks at all. It makes me say WHAT?! I own 3 of these balls and each is very strong.
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Edited on 4/6/2007 11:40 AM
Post by: slap on April 06, 2007, 12:49:36 PM
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Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 01:46:50 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/slap1914/bowling/nomercy001.jpg
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The NM with the pin above the bridge, in between the fingers, is more of a first ball out of the bag. The NM with the pin high above the ring finger obviously get's more length but also has more angle to the pocket. This ball is great for when the lanes transition and I start leaving 10 pins with my pin above the bridge NM.
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Edited on 4/6/2007 2:22 PM
Post by: chitown on April 06, 2007, 02:39:04 PM
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Hey Chitown....your #6 drilling on yours is exactly identical as mine. My HART is at the same distance from my thumb as yours
Six that's cool! I have 3 of these NM's now! I have never matched up with a ball as I have with the NM. My NM's will be in my bag for a long time. I will buy more NM's to save for later use.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 06, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
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I must say I am suprised you picked up another one. You don't usually pick up more than one ball unless you really like it or see something special in it...am I right?
Moving on....so I see you have become more rev dominant. Is your speed still up there pretty good or have you backed off on it?
Six,
Honestly...it isn't that I see something special in it, it is more that I see some potential in the ball. I got this one used...traded my toxic for it. I am interested to see what R.H. was thinking when he designed this ball. I think this ball would have solved the problems USBC was going to create eliminating weightholes. I was very happy with the reaction and hitting power once I redrilled my first one.
I am no longer rev dominant in my "A" game. I picked up a bit more speed and made my release much more consistant than it has been the last few years. As of right now I would consider my speed and rev rate pretty close to a match.
-Carl
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Post by: slap on April 10, 2007, 04:29:40 PM
Thanks to Chitown for sharing his NM layout expertise.
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Post by: chitown on April 11, 2007, 06:53:20 PM
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I picked up my NM from the shop yesterday. I went with the #8 drilling, pin to pap distance 4.5 inches which put the pin in the middle finger. The hart is under the thumb.
Thanks to Chitown for sharing his NM layout expertise.
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Let us know how it rolls for you.
Mine came with the CG off set to the left which forced me to put the CG at almost 1oz of negative to get the HART left of the thumb. I'm a right handed bowler. Yours looks to be off set to the right and your a lefty. How ironic that is.
I hope this layout works out good for you.
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