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SteveAustin2808

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Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« on: August 29, 2009, 02:34:11 AM »
HAMMERHEADS!

I got another Jigsaw in along with a 2nd Sting, Burn, and Onyx as well.

Went ahead and punched up the 2nd Jigsaw with an experimental layout just to see how strong of a ball we were looking at here and the first few times I got to try the ball out were very surprising.

Layout: 70 MB x 5.5" Pin x 20 degree Pin Height. No weight hole was necessary
Ending statics were -3/4 oz. Side and 3/8 oz. Thumb.

I went with the 70 degree MB because I wanted to see if this was too far of a length for this ball to still work. I also made the pin placement longer since I was putting the pin below the fingers as well, as I'll explain the kind of luck I've had with Pin Downs here lately.

Anything with Pin down the ball has just burnt up too quick and I haven't had any success so I've stuck with mostly Pin up layouts but since this one had a 1-2" pin placement out of the box, I decided to try pin under.

Middle of the road and playing straight up the boards (MOTR is aiming at 15 getting it out to around anywhere from 12 to 8 while straight up is just aiming up 10 getting it out to 8 for myself).

Very surprised at the fact it did not burn up and still had an aggressive ball motion on the backend despite it being below the fingers. Now between Jigsaw # 1 and Jigsaw # 2 playing the deep line, which for me is standing on the left gutter cap and getting it all the way to the 5 down lane is where I noticed the difference between the two. The Pin down Jigsaw did not turn the corner while the Pin up did!

To be honest..that is what I was expecting playing all of the lines I usually play in my house.

In conclusion thus far, the # 2 Jigsaw drilled pin down below the middle finger works excellent on fresh oil and still makes a hard turn just except playing the deep line for me.

Also, this was all done on a THS with AMF HPL synthetic lane surface.

Hope this helps. Thanks and God Bless!

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 11:11:59 PM »
Thanks for the review Steve, Ok, between the STING and the JIGSAW which do you like better? I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering the STING tomorrow since I got the VENOM a couple of weeks ago and I really like how that puppy rolls.
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SteveAustin2808

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 12:22:27 AM »
Jake,

Both balls serve their purpose...I believe if you are seeking more angular reaction on the backend then it would serve you well to get a Sting. Hope this helps! Thanks and God Bless!

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 04:21:45 AM »
Just a note of disagreement.  I went to an Ebonite challenge on Saturday at
The Orleans bowling center.  I was able to throw 12 different balls, all under
the Ebonite umbrella brand on 2 different lane conditions.  The absolute
worst ball that I threw was the Jigsaw.  Two people near me and three friends
that I talked to today agreed.  The Jigsaw did not work well for any of us.
The only caveat is that none of us have a huge hand and not very heavy roll.
None of us would take this ball even if it was given.

SteveAustin2808

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 02:16:55 PM »
NextBowler,

What conditions did you throw the Jigsaw on? What layout did they have on the ball? And if possible, what is your PAP (positive axis point)? This is very important information to consider when demoing these bowling balls.

It could be possible that in relation to your axis point that it could be a few factors with you noticing the lack thereof performance in the Jigsaw:

Close pin placement 0-3 3/8" - the ball might have burnt up in the heads bleeding too much and just rolled out or did not make the turn because it had nothing left

Mass Bias - This could be another factor as in relation to your axis point being too close 0 degrees to 45 degrees or maybe past 90 degrees.

Let me know and I'm sure there is a good reason as to why the Jigsaw did not work out so well for you...

Thanks and God Bless!

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nextbowler

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 09:10:07 PM »
Steve-- I am not sure about the questions that you asked.  However, there
were Hammer reps and my ball driller supervising and they did everything
they could to the cover and two different layouts and nothing would move the
ball very much.  There were 2 different lane conditions, not sure exactly of
the lengths or other specifics, only one was oiled to 42 feet and the other
was a fairly dry house shot.  There were three people around me and all of them
had the same complaint.  One of the guys was a stroker, one a real cranker and
I am somewhat of a tweener.  I have also seen a senior friend, a 220+ ave. and
he has done several things to the ball that have not gotten the results he
expected and is ready to trade it in.  Sorry that I could not get more specific.  We also threw the Evolve, the 930T and the top Columbia ball.  Each
was better on both conditions.

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2009, 10:21:13 PM »
Nextbowler... What is your name?

The lane patterns that were at the Orleans truely did not showcase the Jigsaw's strong, yet controllable reaction. I was quite disappointed with the dry lane patterns that the center put out. The reason why you prolly enjoyed the reaction of the other balls were because they rolled earlier and made the strong backends much smoother for you & your friends. I threw the demo balls that we had on the lane patterns and the ball was a little too strong for the average bowler due to the lack of oil out there. Was hooking the entire lane 25 to 8. I can honestly say that if we were at any other center, the Jigsaw would shine quite well. It seems that the Orleans is becoming the drier center in the Vegas valley (used to be Sam's Town).

Let me know if you have any questions and maybe I can watch you again since I was helping out at during the demo day.
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SteveAustin2808

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 12:01:14 AM »
Mike,

That is a really good observation. I have also noticed that if the Jigsaw does not have much oil to work with that I usually have to put the ball up.

Nextbowler,

Can you tell me where the pin was located in relation to where they had the finger holes drilled. I could be wrong but usually the demo bowling balls we have are drilled with the Pin at 12 o'clock above the bridge and the MB is just to the right of the thumb, give or take a few inches. As Mike said, I'm sure that due to lack of oil on the 'drier' condition is the reason you did not too much care for the Jigsaw. This ball has to have head oil to be beneficial to the bowler.

God Bless!

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 05:52:34 PM »
I have spent enough time on this.  One pair at the Orleans was heavily oiled.
The ball did not work for anyone near me.  My friend bowls at the Gold Coast,
enough oil there, the ball is a spare ball.  Trying to improve the performance
of this ball for me would be a waste of time, I spent my money on balls that
performed better--Track 930T. Ebonite Evolve.  To suggest that the balls were
put out for demo without displaying their maximum performance potential is
insulting to the whole process.

Edited on 9/1/2009 5:54 PM

SteveAustin2808

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 06:07:18 PM »
Nextbowler,

I understand what you are saying completely. I am just making reference that the layout they might have had on the ball might not have been the right layout suitable for you because every bowler is different and for someone to say that...

1A layout will work for three different types of bowlers most of the time does not happen because all of the bowlers may have 3 different positive axis points.

I am not insulting your opinion on the Jigsaw by any means, I have saw the Evolve and 930T in action and see why people have great success with them..

In conclusion it all comes down to layout, surface of the ball and the oil condition to match up the bowler with the right ball.

Thanks and God Bless!

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Re: Jigsaw # 2 Mini-Review
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 12:57:10 AM »
This ball is a spareball? Damn, I must be doing something wrong when I use it on fresh/heavy oil.
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