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Justintoxicated

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Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« on: May 03, 2011, 06:41:00 AM »
So I'm pretty new to the sport, just signed up for novice "for fun" type league with my work for the second time.
 
Right now I'm using an old Hammer Blue Ball (signature version) I bought a long time ago when I was still in high school (I'm 30 now).  Ball has allot of groves, a few chunks taken out of it and it's a bit on the light side for me (a little under 14lbs).   I'm getting better, but still have a LONG way to go to be any sort of good.  I'm able to put some spin on the ball using 3 fingers now rather than screwing around with 2 fingers before.  I'm looking to buy a heavier ball 15lb ball, that will hook harder than the ball I am using now.  I understand there is no real Magic ball, and my low scores are just a part of a learning process.
 
The way I'm throwing my old ball, it seems to cut towards the center, gently, late down lane but does not really "hook".  I guess it's not bad  but I'm sure I want it to "hook" more. I'm also thinking I'd have more fun with a new ball that was a better weight for me these days.
 
I was looking at the Taboo "seconds" on ebay since they are much cheaper $120 and likely good enough for my use.  But I have no idea about all the specifications that go into bowling balls, or if this would even be a good idea.
 
"The Hammer Taboo "Second" means the ball did not meet manufacturer specifications for a 1st quality ball. Here are the possible reasons for this. This ball may contain superficial defects such as coloring, surface defects, abnormal pin placement, or abnormal top weight."
 
"We have numerous pin and top weights available. If you purchase this ball and want a specific pin and/or top weight, you MUST request the pin and top weight in the notes or special instructions section "
 
To make things worse I'm not sure how I should have the ball drilled, or what is considered medium or heavy oil?  I know my ball currently does pickup allot of oil every time I throw it down lane right now, enough that I like to wipe it off every time. So I'm assuming the lanes are pretty heavily oiled.
 
Thanks for any advice in advance.
 
 



 

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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 03:03:12 PM »
Go in and talk to your local pro shop operator. They will know more about your lanes and should be able to help you out. The Taboo is a wonderful ball, but in all likelihood, you wouldn't know the difference between that and a Columbia Freeze or Hammer Backlash or Vibe series at this point.
 


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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 03:05:49 PM »
I think the Taboo might be too much ball for you I think a Onyx Vibe or a Midnight Vibe would be better for you. They would give you the hook you want and the control you need. I hope this helps you out.


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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 03:17:09 PM »
Thanks for the advice guys.  I did go tot he local shop at the lane already, he said he could drill it any way I want, but I'm not even sure what I want?  
 
Also most of the balls were about the same price to twice the price as the Taboo "second" (of course that covers drilling), they had a Black Widow nasty for something like $209 
 
They don't sell the Taboo there either, if they did I'm sure it would be about $280.  My friend picked up a tropical storm or something from them for about the same price I'm looking at getting a second class Taboo, which is why I was considering getting it.  What does it mean that the ball might be a bit too much for me though?



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 03:29:03 PM »
If you go into a pro shop and tell them you are a novice bowler looking for a ball, they should not ask you how you want it drilled. It's part of the service for them to recommend an appropriate product for your skill level, perhaps watch you bowl, and make a recommendation. Sounds like it may be time to try a different pro shop!

 

With that being said, I would keep in mind 2 things:

1) That Taboo you are considering will need to be drilled, and that will add probably 50.00 to the cost.

2) A lower priced ball will probably be more forgiving at your skill level, and actually work better for you.

 



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 03:37:53 PM »
When I said that the Taboo may be too much for you, I simply meant that it may hook too much for your skill level at this point in time. It is a High Performance ball and simply is not designed for the more novice of bowlers. Your money would be better spent with a lower performance ball (that will always have a place in your bag as you get better) and a few lessons with a good coach.
 
IMHO don't buy a ball just because it's a good deal. Buy what will allow you to become a better bowler. 


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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 03:56:28 PM »
I agree with what the other posters have said with the Taboo possibly being too much ball for you at this point.  In most places, you will not need a ball as strong as that.  I would talk to a pro shop that you like.  Let them see how you throw the ball, and they can help determine the best drilling and what works best for you.   Many of us buy balls online but this is one case where I would not do that as having someone knowledgeable see what you do is truly going to help you. 

My recommendation would be to go with something for medium conditions as most places tend to use that or some variant.  I would also lean towards a solid or hybrid as they can be easier to control and have more of an arc motion (100% pearl reactive balls can be much more angular on the dry and can be tougher to control when just getting started).

 

You can easily get a good entry to mid-performance ball for less than $160 in most cases.  Some suggestions that can fit you better at this point could be the Hammer Onyx Vibe (solid), 900 Global Favorite (solid), Roto Grip Nomad Dagger (hybrid) or Riot (solid), Track 505T (solid), Storm 2Furious (solid), Ebonite Game Plan (solid) or potentially the Brunswick Karma black/blue (solid).

 

As for wiping oil off the ball every time, that happens even with light oil conditions.  Keep that up though as it is a good habit to get into.  Also use this time to practice and develop your game since you are still newer to the sport. Even though I've bowled for about 25 years (and that includes taking some time off), I still like to throw 3-6 games of practice a week so I can stay comfortable, keep the swing loose, and work on any issues with timing, ball reaction, etc.  Practice helps all of us bowl better.  Finally, feel free to ask any of us questions on the boards anytime as we can give you honest opinions that can help.  Good luck to you.
 



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 04:54:04 PM »
If you are, indeed, throwing an old blue hammer urethane ball, practically any reactive resin ball is going to make that pale in comparison. They were great balls in their day, but modern oils and conditions have severely limited their usefulness to "special" occasions.

 

 As was stated by someone else, if you buy the Taboo 2nd, you will have to add around $50 to the price to pay for the drilling.If you buy from the shop, MOST of them will drill for free, unless otherwise stated or agreed upon.







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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 05:38:06 PM »
Thats quite a few balls to pick from tommyboy!  They are all about the same price as the Taboo though, I do understand I will have to pay for drilling, however prices in store always seem to be over the online prices by at least $70-80 and in some cases well over $100 of the online price.
 
That Dagger looks pretty cool, but it certainly isn't much cheaper.  What about the hammer Swagga?  Would this be a decent choice? It's a little less money and from what I have read it's a bit smoother than the Taboo. As for getting more spin on the ball, the majority of the people I have played against so far that can really get some hook/spin on their balls use 2 finger releases.  One guy that was giving me some pointers uses 2 hands and has a few championship rings.  Not sure if that really says anything about lane conditions though.  I guess I'll consider it medium oil though since it's certainly ALOT more oily than the lanes I used in highschool.  They run those machines down them often.
 
 



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 05:52:01 PM »
The Taboo seconds you are speaking of are blems because they cannot be sold as first run balls due to the position of the CG.
 
If you draw a line from the pin through the mass bias (little oval with HMB marked in it), the CG must fall more than 2" away from this line to be considered a blem or 2nd. With such a ball you have a couple of issues....
 
1. Is the cg punch mismarked? I have had several balls in which this was the case.
2. Is the mass bias mismarked? Again I have had several in which this occurred.
3. Does your pro shop have the appropriate equipment (or know how to use said equipment) in order to make this ball work for you?
4. If the CG punch is too far away from the center line and there's too much top weight, the ball may be undrillable for you.... it may work fine for a left hander (assuming you are a righty) but hot for you.
 
The other issue is that the Taboo is just that.,..taboo in the hands of an inexperienced bowler. I do not stock the ball because there are only a handful of bowlers I drill for who are consistent enough to make use of the ball's full potential.
 
I agree with others' comments....get yourself a good entry level resin ball like a Slingshot or Backlash or the next step up like a Tropical Heat or Vibe and you will be far happier. These balls will perform every bit as well as a Taboo on typical lane conditions and will also have the benefit of being more forgiving and giving you more error room.
 
Bowling is supposed to be fun.....if you have to concentrate so hard at hitting a specific board or else you leave a split or washout or something, then it's not fun anymore...it becomes work.
 
Put the fun back in your game.....grab a Tropical heat or a Vibe and have a good time.
 
FYI I sell Vibes and Tropical Heats in my shop drilled out the door with inserts for $140, Slingshots are $125. If you are paying much more than that you are getting screwed...find another pro shop.....


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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 06:19:40 PM »
To answer the question about the Swagga and the Taboo, both are very similar with being strong balls.  They use the same cores, only the cover is a little different.  The Swagga is primarily a heavy oil ball while the Taboo works on medium-heavy and heavy.  You would probably run into the same issue with focusing on trying to control the ball rather than developing the fundamentals first.
 

The Tropical Heat from Storm is a good option to work with on medium conditions.  Even though it is a pearl cover, it has a weaker core on the inside, which can work well for you by giving more control.  I would probably stay away from the Tropical Heat Hybrid (has the silver/black color) as it is definitely stronger than its pearl counterparts and starts to get up there where it can outhook some of the stronger products.  Personally, I would probably lean you to the Roto Grip Nomad Dagger which is a great hybrid ball giving you the benefits of solid and pearl yet flexible in how it can be drilled.  It works for a variety of styles.  To give an idea, it cost me $143 out the door for the ball and drilling + $16.50 for the thumb slug and that is a first quality ball.  It really should not cost you much more than that.



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 06:20:04 PM »
When you buy a ball, you buy a reaction. If the ball does not match up to the condition, you could have a high performance ball that gives you 140s on the scoreboard especially if this is the only ball you plan to take to league. Kinda like getting a great deal on a 4WD pickup when you live in the deep South (or CA). I also agree that a mid (or upper mid) performance ball drilled by another pro shop should be the solution - don't buy a ball by price (or prestige) if it does not fill your need (once you determine what it is). My 2 cents.


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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2011, 06:31:21 PM »
Juggernaut is right- the shop I go to charges $30-50 base price to drill any ball not bought in the shop ($30 for entry level plastic, urethane or reactive, $40 for high performance symmetrical cores, $50 for high performance asymmetrical cores with mass bias.)  Thumb slugs or interchangeable thumb always extra.  However they do give a $5 discount on those prices if they have your specs already on file.



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2011, 06:59:07 PM »
"Kinda like getting a great deal on a 4WD pickup when you live in the deep South (or CA). "
Hey I live in CA and have a V8 4x4!  :P  Need that 4wd for the dunes ya know.  
 
My friend has the Tropical Heat Hybrid black/silver (asked him a few minutes ago),  it does not seem to be all that aggressive on these lanes watching him throw it.  It will hook a little when he throws it, but, he is still learning as well.  
 
My problem is getting my old blue hammer to hook at all.  I spend most of my time focusing on getting it to spin.  I find it hard to get it to come back in aggressivly enough to hit the pocket from the right hand side, heck some times it even nearly goes straight when I'm a bit off.   It really does not hook, but more comes back towards the center at an almost straight angle.  I guess most of of that is likely just me, but even watching others throw mine it does the same thing or similar, so I'm somewhat sure that some of it is just the ball. I think the lanes may be heavy oil, but medium oil towards the back.  
 
I can ask my friend if I can throw his ball once (can't fit my thumb in it though) and see how it does. Worst case he won't want me to :)
 
I think I would like my next ball to be at least as aggressive has his ball. (he said that he had it drilled to be less aggressive).  Although this is against what some of you are saying I guess?
 
I'll try to forget about the taboo or swagga then, they are off my list.   I'll look into that nomad dagger next time I am there.  I guess just go with more aggressive drilling on the dagger?



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Re: Novice Bowler - Thinking about buying a Taboo
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2011, 07:13:32 PM »
Sounds like a good decision on your part. There are a lot of good balls out there in the $150 price range...including drilling.If I could make one more suggestion.....look for a solid coverstock as opposed to a pearl. This is a great time of year to be shopping for a ball as most companies have discontinued many balls and they can be had fairly cheap.
 
Some more balls you may want to look into.....
 
Columbia Total Bedlam
Hammer Jacked
Storm Furious
Brunswick Diamondback
MoRich Mania
 
Best of luck with whatever path you choose.
 
 


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