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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: jhutch769 on August 23, 2006, 06:08:16 AM
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I am about to finish up my video of the Pain vs Doom, are there any suggestions people want to see. So far I have shots straight up 7, ten and out, standing twenty and out and then every five boards left. then a few at the break point. I will add any additional shots people want to see (All shots are on a fresh THS)
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The video is done. Here is the URL
http://media.putfile.com/Raw-Hammer-Comp
It is large, 15 mb or so (just over 6 minutes long), I do have an 11 mb version I can upload instead if people want.. There is something like 40 different shots I think it is about 6 min long. I have shots from inside 4th arrow... Standing on 20,25,27,30,35... playing over ten and out, up seven, etc.. Shots at the breakpoint, from an elevated camera position, from an angled position.. The different lines should allow you to see the strength of the pain cover to the doom, some shots the pain recovers a bit more than the doom while the doom skids on the BP just a touch more... Also the shots from up 7 were supposed to show how quickly the ball takes off, not intended to get strikes... I think I should have left those shots out, but you let me know..
The balls are thrown on Fresh THS on two ends of the house (1&2 are highest scoring pair, 15&16 lowest scoring)... Balls are both 4 x 3 1/2 with hole on PAP OOB surface.. Pain might be 1/8 longer....
THERE ARE EXPLICIT LYRICS IN ONE OF THE SONGS if anyone is offended by that! (Second half of video)
Please let me know what you think, no sugar coating...
Edited on 8/24/2006 3:29 AM
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Sounds like good plan. Start rolling!
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I already have the videos, I just need to edit it and upload it. But if anyone wants to see any differnet shots, I will throw them tonight.
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Wow dude, awesome, it soundsd like a great video just add some sweet music, and upload. I'm looking forward to it as I haven't yet but soon will be getting a Pain to go with my Doom.
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TTT
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U have a great physical form, but thing I'd like to point out is that u slide through your release. that would one thing I would work on is plant-hit-realease. other than that Nice Vid.
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I will try to change my sole/heel combo back... I was on super tacky approaches a few weeks ago...
Thank you for the advice/comments..
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I don't think he was talking about planting coming to a complete stop then tearing the cover off the ball/ripping through it.. If that is what he meant, that is not what I intended to do.. I just planned on stopping a bit faster, I do slide through the shot once in a while and fall off to the right or fall back on my heal..
Also, I can get the doom to work, I just wasn't making quality shots....
My BP was very inconsistent.
Here is a link to the Doom vs The One I made a few months ago..
http://media.putfile.com/Doom-Raw-Hammer--The-One
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I used ULEAD Video Editor 9 to do my videos..
And I would not normally play over ten. There is too much recovery for that ball and too much early read. I would probably play stand 27 over 15 to about 7... Then when that starts hooking too much or too early, I will switch to the Doom and move in a few boards..
I threw those shots to let everyone see the different angles and reactions off the ball.. I was not throwing for a strike on every ball but I was trying to get to the pocket on the inside angles..
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yeah, lets plant and hit the piss out of the ball so you can rip up your knee. the whole point is to slide, so what he slides through his release? there's nothing wrong with that, the ball is already gone.
ignore the stupid comment, there is absolutely no reason to plant and rip on the ball unless you want to destroy your physical game.
nice vid. looks like the Pain was the ball for the condition, though i do like what i've seen out of the Doom around here.
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one thing I would work on is plant-hit-realease
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maybe you shouldn't post such ignorant comments because I wasn't talking about ripping the ball. and yes, being too early and sliding through your shot can cause your ball to get too quick off your hand and blow right through your breakpoint and boom, washout. and when I said "stop-hit-release" i was meaning that in a millisec interval which would be TIMED correctly. GG..
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Bowl to Win!
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nive vid bro, pain ripped the shot apart.
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M.E.T.H.O.D. Man. Your timing & release remind me of PDW. Great video. You make me want to buy a Hammer.
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Not hardly... sorry. Nice game but not PDW game.... is that a high scoring house?
Nod
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Actually we are not that high scoring of a house. High avg was like 220, 5 300's, 796 and 794 High series.. We just got a new lane machine at the middle of last season, hopefully scores go up this year.
I have all my numbers on the computer at work. But I think my speed is 17 mph and RPM is 350-400.. I am not 100% sure, but that is close...
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Very nice vid Hutch. I already have the Doom, and was thinking about getting the Pain to go over and from your vid I can tell the pain would fit over exctly where I would want it to. I also talked a friend of mine into buying the Pain although he hasn't gotten to throw it yet, he watched the video and his eyes lit up. Just what he was looking for as well.
Also, you were absolutely right to throw those balls down 7 in your comparison it's an apples to apples comparison of how early the ball starts to take off. Not everyone will have equal ball speeds or revs, nor will play the same lines but it is easy to tell when each ball starts to grab the lane and by that they can determine which ball would best suit what they are looking for.
Great job on the vid, but more so on the actual ball comparison.
Shaker
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My RPM's avg from 5 test shots 405
My total speed from 5 shots 16.97
My speed at the pins from 5 shots 15.68
These numbers were taken from Ebonite Bowlers MAP, place a piece of tape from PAP to over finger holes and use the RPM Calculator.. These were readings from a few months ago...
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Awesome vids. The best two ball combo out right now in my opinion.
You throw the ball great. Just watching your vid makes me want to buy another Pain and Doom.
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I can't get enough PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Vid Man who does the "Pain" song?
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Hey great video! That is among the best videos I have seen to date. The best part about it is that my style and specs are VERY close to yours! Gives me a great idea of what each of these balls is capable of.
Thanks for the time and effort you put in to this.
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Great Vid Man who does the "Pain" song?
The two songs are listed at the end of the video.
Great video! After watching this I'm looking into getting a Doom. Hammer should be sending you a kickback or something.
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Thanks for the comments everyone.
The "Pain" song was Three Days Grace.
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I just watched this vid again. This has to be the best two ball comparison vids I have seen.
Once again the Pain and Doom drilled the same make a great two ball combo.
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Thanks a lot chitown!
Now I just need to get three more dooms and three more pains, right???
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Three Days Grace I think ( the pain song)... they were in my city tonight and I could not GO!!!
Edited on 9/13/2006 9:11 PM
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ttt
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Very nice comparison video. Thanks for taking all the time to do that. BTW, you throw the ball very well.
Don
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Thanks a lot chitown!
Now I just need to get three more dooms and three more pains, right???
Heck yes you need 3 or 4 of each. Right now I have 2 of each. I have everything covered.
I brought this to the top for someone that is interested in the PAIN. This way he has an idea of how it rolls.
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It was painful, indeed, to watch those two balls up five on that condition. I was wonderin', has anyone in your house ever left a washout? I thought we bowled on some clean backends! The Pain around third arrow looks to be an absolute jewlery garnishing line. Great vid!
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It was painful, indeed, to watch those two balls up five on that condition. I was wonderin', has anyone in your house ever left a washout? I thought we bowled on some clean backends! The Pain around third arrow looks to be an absolute jewlery garnishing line. Great vid!
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Malaysian Chest Implosion Torture Specialist.
Yes those conditions look like a normal house shot. I use both my Pain and Doom on tough patterns and they both react great.
These two balls are great pieces of equipment for tough lane conditions.
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Very Nice video man. Great physical game you seem to just let the ball off with ease. I used to have a doom before mine cracked lol but it was a great ball. I am hoping to maybe have some videos up some time on my stuff but keep up the great work with bowling and the videos.
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Yeah, those shots were all thrown on a THS.
I have only shot 2 sets under 650 since league started, a 550 and 552, both in the same week ( was very sick and hada sore back ) and I have been using primarily the Pain. Standing 35 throwing 18ish - 7ish... Avg 220 on Wed and 218 on Mon, last year my high was 205. I have been very happy with the balls, adnt the way I have been throwing them, coming off my hand really clean right now.
I have thrown the balls on some tournament patterns, 40+ footer and 35 footer. The pain played great up 5 on the short and the doom was butter 15-10 on the longer pattern. I have been planning on throwing down a tournament pattern and taking vids throwing on those, but I have been lazy and don't feel like getting the machine out.
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jhutch makes the best vids. No crappy fillers here. My arm hurts just from watching. Great camera angle. Who's holding that camera that high, Yao Ming?
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Amen to that, Hogs. Those were some great vids. Great job, Hutch.
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**Thanks for the kind comments everyone**
I extend the tripod as high as it will go and the I set it on top of some chairs and tables and whatnot. I feel the height will give a better view of the ball reaction, I am not as worried about people seeing how I throw it, more in how the balls react.
I was hoping to get a No Mercy or Black Widow, but my dad drilled both of those for himself
If I ever get enough ambition, I would like to throw the balls on a tournament pattern and video those for everyone.
Edited on 10/20/2006 11:15 PM
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It makes it nice, since my family owns the center. I can use whatever lanes I want whenever I want and have unlimited access the the lane machine and the facility.. That is why I am able to do some of the angles and stuff that I do..
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I just got a Black Widow a few weeks ago.. I hope to get some videos up of it soon if anyone wants... So far I have shot 764 (had 260 second game with it, oob, had first nine then went through the beak for a 4 count and got 4 of those).... Then 688, 732, 723, 720, and a bunch of 250's and a 279 while pot bowling..
Between this ball and my pain I am in hog heaven...
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Do you still have your DOOM? This was an awesome vid you made.
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Yeah, I still use it when I need a tad more length than the Pain will give and a little less backend than my Widow.. Still love that ball..
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Yeah, I still use it when I need a tad more length than the Pain will give and a little less backend than my Widow.. Still love that ball..
Are you going to make a vid of all 3 balls? That would be really cool.
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Yeah, I could. I will take some new shots with all three.. Want them on a house shot, PBA pattern, sport pattern?