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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Nicanor on March 11, 2009, 03:45:08 AM
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Pin above or pin below. Did not want a skid flip reaction. My pap is 4 7/8 and 5/8 up about 400 rev rate and approx 17 mph ball speed.
Thanks,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Hot Sauce is not the ball if you don't want a skid/flip reaction. The original Sauce (if you have enough oil to keep it from burning up) or an Acid would be a better choice.
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I know this is probably irrelevant but if you don't want skid/flip why drill a hot sauce? I suppose you could drill it with a lower pin and knock the shine off but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the ball? Why not drill up a sauce of something instead?
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So is the Hot Sauce only really at its best as a skid flip? The ones I've seen locally didn't seem to be skid flippy. Is that release or ball drilling/prep? I have enough oil balls, Dynamo, Virtual Gravity, Cell, Agent Orange. I want a ball to get through the heads easier, have some pop in the back end, but not a hockey stick move.
Thanks for the quick feedback.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Edited on 3/11/2009 11:52 AM
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It will be hard for it not to be skid/snap low pin and 2k abralon will help alot with it.
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So is the Hot Sauce only really at its best as a skid flip? The ones I've seen locally didn't seem to be skid flippy. Is that release or ball drilling/prep? I have enough oil balls, Dynamo, Virtual Gravity, Cell, Agent Orange. I want a ball to get through the heads easier, have some pop in the back end, but not a hockey stick move.
Thanks for the quick feedback.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Edited on 3/11/2009 11:52 AM
If I drilled one up I would use a little higher pin and maybe try it at 4000 first. If it's too flippy take it down to 2000. From the balls you already own it really wouldn't be a bad choice at all.
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I have a high pin with box all it did was flip off the dry like a hockey stick reaction, trust me stay with a strong drilling and go pin down like 4 inches to pap.
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Thanks again. I've seen some really great scores with this ball locally and it seems to be very consistant. Just didn't need a ball like the Sauce. I didn't match up with the T-Road series or the Dimension and didn't try the Rapid Fire series and I believe Lane 1's ball might have been the Buzzbomb/R but I didn't match up with the Buzzbomb. I really like the Grand Illusion but I needed someting a little stronger off the break point then the Grand Illusion, so hopefully the Hot Sauce will fill the gap.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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I have a high pin with box all it did was flip off the dry like a hockey stick reaction, trust me stay with a strong drilling and go pin down like 4 inches to pap.
But he wants it to get through the heads clean... I just think a lower pin would start up too early, especially if he took it down to 2000. I guess it depends on ball speed, rev rate, tilt, etc. though.
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I have mine drilled pin up and it is really jumpy off the dry. Like mrbowlingnut I would recommend a pin down drilling, have the pin to pap distance to around 4 1/2". Keeping it at out of box surface should still get it through the heads clean. If you drill it with a bit of extra thumbweight it will also smooth out the transition. Hope this helps.
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Be very careful who you take advice from. You don't know the people on
this site--only what they say. Some people are not what they pretend. Be
careful.
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Nicanor, you know me, we have a few deals before but this is what gets me at times. Before anyone gets a ball, why wouldn't they do some research ? Even the Hammer site says 'skid/flip'. I will admit, what a ball does for one will/may not be what it will do for another. Point was the Toxic. I loved that ball, many hated it, so be it.
Research, read, ask before getting a new ball, is all I'm saying.
Good Luck !
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az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
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Hammerbowling.com say the Hot Sauce is a combination of power ball and control.
Read all the reviews on buddies pro shop. Not one review said it was a real skid flip. None at all said the ball flipped. If you take a skid flip ball with the pin high or above the ring finger, it adds to the flippiness. Yes? If you take a skid flip ball and put the pin below the ring finger and kick the MB right with good speed about 17.5 and revs about 400 are you going to get a ball that gets through the heads well and a strong but not a skid/flip hockey stick motion?
I have seen this ball throw by abt least 4 bowlers and I did not see a hockey stick move from any of them.
So I seen it thrown, read the reviews here and on Buddiesproshop and asked opinions. did I not do my homework?
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Edited on 3/11/2009 8:11 PM
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the ball is definitely a skid flip ball.. pin over middle is still flippy.. pin under middle is smoother but there are better choices for what u are looking for.. I.e. psycho,acid, even a blue vibe..
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Personally I don't watch/read the reviews on Buddies, just me. The description of the ball, on Hammer site, says...skid/flip. One can do all sorts of things to a ball and make it something else, but why ? If a ball is designed/made to do one thing and that thing is NOT what you want, then why buy the ball ?
That's my point. It's not like that's the only ball Hammer made, not the only ball on the market. A person can do what they want, it's thier ball/money. My thing is why folks buy a ball, want it to do something it's not (maybe) designed to do then sell it or complain it doesn't fit them/thier style. That's my point.
A plastic ball is designed to go straight but change the cover, have the right pattern and even that ball will hook but most folks buy a plastic ball to go straight, that's all I'm saying.
I hope you can get it to do just what you want it to. I hope you have some of the best sets you have ever had, I really do. It just makes me wonder why folks buy a ball then ask to drill it to do something it was not designed to do, that's all I'm saying.
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Put the heat on the competition with the Hot Sauce Pearl, Hammer's most dangerous ball yet. Wrapped in our new Skid Flip Aggressive Edge Coverstock
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az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
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Actually the video on Buddies website is right off (copied)Hammerbowling.com website.
I like the idea of taking a ball that is touted as skid flip and tone it down a little. I find that some times when I have trouble kicking out a 10 pin, that if I go with a ball that stores a lot of energy and explodes the pocket a little more, then it helps my game to carry the 10 pin. So if I can drill the skid flippiness out of the ball so its not a hockey stick and more controllable but still pretty angular with good energy retention, then I have a great ball when some of my other equipment is too much of an arc and not driving the pocket. I also like a ball like that to open up the lanes. So yes, maybe I'm drilling some of the intended power out of the ball, but if can can harness power and make it more controllable, we might not get too much over under.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Edited on 3/12/2009 10:11 AM
Edited on 3/12/2009 10:11 AM
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If you want some expert advice on drillings for The Hot Sauce for what you want it to do, go right to the source. Send Mr. Ussery an email and explain to him in detail on what you want the Hot Sauce to do. jussery@hammerbowling.com
He will give the advice and probably recdommend something for you in layouts.
Mine is a 4X3 layout with a 2 inch pin buffer Pin under drill and this thing is still strong on the back.
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Edited on 3/12/2009 11:21 AM
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So is the Hot Sauce only really at its best as a skid flip? The ones I've seen locally didn't seem to be skid flippy. Is that release or ball drilling/prep? I have enough oil balls, Dynamo, Virtual Gravity, Cell, Agent Orange. I want a ball to get through the heads easier, have some pop in the back end, but not a hockey stick move.
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If that is the reaction you want then the Acid is the ball you seek.
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