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wlee107

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Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« on: November 19, 2006, 09:20:58 AM »
After knocking down to 3000 grit, the no mercy still continues to have a very weak backend reaction. Does anyone else have their no mercy at a lower grit? I like to play inside and hook big. Im pretty frustrated now...im thinking about knocking it down to 1000 Does anybody have some inputs or suggestions?
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2006, 06:52:10 PM »
Any driller worth their salt weighs each and every ball they drill.  Find a new driller.  IMO.......his work is suspect.  I'd even guess if you don't have an X hole the ball right now is illegal with an ounce or more negative side weight not sure how Hammer's cores are on 14 lb. balls.

Here is a couple of explanations of why.  One from JeffMop from this site....the first one.

http://www.bowlingfans.com/jeff/ballreactionbasics.html

http://www.bowlingball.com/info/theroleofthecg.html
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2006, 06:56:35 PM »
IMO.........you need to remove that extra negative side weight back to 0.  First roll the ball so a good driller can see where you flare.  Then he will put an X hole so you don't clip it when the ball is rolling.  The size and depth of the X hole should be determined by him to take it back to 0.  I think you will see a marked difference.  It may be a little harder to control on fresh but you can fix that with a surface tweak.  But, during and after transition you won't see the weak hits.

It's not always surface that needs tweaking especially on this particular ball.  It's a different animal and so many haven't even recognized this yet.
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wlee107

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2006, 06:57:18 PM »
Hmm, he is listed on roto-grips pro shop staff
link: http://www.rotogrip.com/staff_proshop.aspx
I think he could be trusted...
I'll take it to his shop to discuss about the ball tommorow
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2006, 07:02:20 PM »
Sorry, I would NOT let any pro shop guy or driller EVER not weigh any equipment that I had drilled.  It's part of what you are paying for.....just not professional.  If, you've ever been to USBC Natl's and see guys balls drilled right then and there with extra holes to make them legal.

Please report back.  I'd like to hear what the static weights are right now and see if he has a sheepish look on his face if he'll tell you the truth.  
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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2006, 07:15:21 PM »
I do feel that static weights are important.  How much they help is hard to tell.  I do have a NM and it has the pin drilled above the bridge and CG is at 1oz negative and the HART is 3/4" left of the thumb.  The only problem I have with this ball is it's strength.  It's too strong.  I have mine polished with factory finish polish which helped it a bit but not enough.  It's very condition specific.

I do know a couple of bowlers that are having problems with this ball and the #1 layout.  Mine layout is the #6 one on the drilling sheet.  

The guys I known that have been having problems found that playing with the cover helped out a lot.  I wonder if the #1 layout is too strong and causing the ball to burn up a bit?

I know mine at 4000 grit is a beast.  It grabs the lane big time.  If there's dry boards somwehre on the lane this ball responds.
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2006, 07:25:19 PM »
chi,

I definitely would not disagree with you.....surface is important but for many that are having problems with this ball it's more the layout/drilling and the negative weight.  

I read your profile and with an A game of 350-420 revs you are not going to have much of a problem conquering some effects of negative side weight.  Those with less of a powerful game are going to be effected by static weights a bit more.  This is just a guess but you and I have been around awhile so I bet you might agree.


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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2006, 08:29:16 PM »
my no mercy is a great ball on heavy long patterns only,any dry and the ball rolls flat,period!if you want to change the cover for a ths or less oil thats you're choice but there are better balls out there like the widow.I've read several posts on how this ball dose'nt work for them and I feel that they don't know what this ball is good for.when the lanes are tight and the oil is long is when the no mercy is at it's best,anything else put it away.
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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2006, 11:37:44 AM »
It is also possible that as much hand he says he has, and the pin in the leverage position, that the ball is burning up and doesn't have any power left to have a "big backend".

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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2006, 12:02:55 PM »
Hammer has admited that the NM's with the pin/cg and HART misaligned will not layout and drill well.  My pro has spoke to Hammer and they did admit that those types of balls where the pin/cg and HART are not lined up decently should be either drilled for a lefty or ???  They offered to send him better lined up NM.  

I'm taking the negative out of mine but would have preffered a better lined up NM.  The jury is still out as far as I am concerned.  These misaligned NM's should have never left the plant or should have been discounted IMO.  


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clint191

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2006, 12:46:18 PM »
My No Mercy is laid out almost identical to the pictures
wlee has posted.  I ordered my ball online and when I took
it to the pro shop, the driller said that he'd been sending
all balls where the pin/cg/heart weren't aligned back to Hammer.

He was a little skeptical about drilling it up at first and did
say that it would be hard to get the heart in the track.  

At 4000 box finish, this one didn't do too much at all for me.  He
took it to 2000 and it started to show signs of life, but it's
still a couple boards weaker than my Hawgzilla at 4000.  

She hits hard, but hasn't really been what I was looking for when I
bought it.
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CBowl

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2006, 02:12:29 PM »
Unless the ball had low top weight you may need to drill a weight hole if the CG is that off center of span.  See what thta does.  For myself I like short pins so it easier to get the HART into my track without having to worry the CG falling too far away from center of span.
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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2006, 06:55:04 PM »
That's what I was looking at too.  The huge pin to cg distance.  Plus if you are right handed the cg is way too far off to the  left.  But the heart is in the track which is what the drill sheet recommends.  I think the problem with this ball stems from the poor pin to cg to mass bias distances and alignment you got to begin with.  If I had ordered and received this ball, I'd have sent it back to the wholesaler undrilled.  

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2006, 07:31:10 PM »
looks like it would have made a nice left handers ball,maybe Hammer should sell them L.H or R.H according to the pin c.g. m.b. alignment.the driller should have sent it back but that was probably too much to ask for,I would complain.
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clint191

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2006, 06:48:57 AM »
Used the No Mercy for the first time in league last night and
shot my 2nd lowest of the season.  I only had one 3 bagger
all night and left so many 10 pins that I lost count.  

Even w/ the misaligned heart/cg/pin, this ball still hooks and
finds the pocket.  I just seem to be missing out on the hitting
power/carry that I was looking for when I bought this ball.

Yes I did ask for a 3-4 inch pin placement when I normally stick
2-3 pin so shame on me.  

I'm not by any means placing blame on Hammer or the driller, but
there sure is a lot of variables to a ball that's supposed to be
easy to drill????
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2006, 11:45:08 AM »
wlee107,

Did you get your driller to look at your No Mercy and what was the out come?
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