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wlee107

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Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« on: November 19, 2006, 09:20:58 AM »
After knocking down to 3000 grit, the no mercy still continues to have a very weak backend reaction. Does anyone else have their no mercy at a lower grit? I like to play inside and hook big. Im pretty frustrated now...im thinking about knocking it down to 1000 Does anybody have some inputs or suggestions?
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CBowl

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2006, 12:03:22 PM »
The bad drilling is not the fault of the manufacture. The blame should be on the pro shop not not attending the seminar or trying to learn more about the ball before drilling.  No Mercy is a easy ball to payout but it does need some sort of thinking.

wlee107

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2006, 01:00:06 PM »
I am going back to the pro shop today . I was pretty busy yesterday..I'll reply as soon as i get back.
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scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2006, 02:07:44 PM »
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The bad drilling is not the fault of the manufacture. The blame should be on the pro shop not not attending the seminar or trying to learn more about the ball before drilling. No Mercy is a easy ball to payout but it does need some sort of thinking.


CBowl,

Fully agree but also Hammer needs to own up and warn their distributors and pro shops that misaligned balls need some care in drilling.  

This is copied direct from Hammer's website.........

"Hammer Aggressive Reaction Technology (HART)

Hammer is very pleased to introduce the new Hammer Aggressive Reaction Technology (HART) core concept to the bowling industry. Developed by our team of design engineers, this radical new concept in bowling ball core design provides maximum performance without the need for exotic layouts and weightholes. It is that simple ."

With a direct line Pin/CG and HART sure I'll agree BUT with misaligned balls that Hammer manufactured and sold.......THEY Hammer need to also work with their distributors and pro shops.  

But, I do agree any pro driller worth his/her salt better know how to use a DoDo scale and work to get the balls he/she sells so they are legal and usable.


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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2006, 02:29:29 PM »
Scott33,

Seems many are having the same problem with the NM as you and I spoke about earlier.  I noticed you mentioned a lefty could take it, shoot me an email to explain this better.  I did purchase the Special Agent, and it is exactly what I was looking for.  Fantastic ball.

scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2006, 02:37:56 PM »
Darin,

Sent you PM.
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wlee107

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2006, 03:54:37 PM »
Okay..back from the pro shop. After my discussion with the pro shop operator, he has told me that a ball like the no mercy's negative weight has pretty much no effect on the reaction on the ball. He agreed to sand my ball down to 1000 grit. During bowling, i did notice a strong but angular backend reaction on the ball as soon as i started reving the ball it alot more...shot 188 first game. I want to thank all of you for helping me with this situation.
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Hammer No Mercy 14#
Brunswick Power Groove 12#
Brunswick Zone 16#

wlee107

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2006, 03:54:41 PM »
Okay..back from the pro shop. After my discussion with the pro shop operator, he has told me that a ball like the no mercy's negative weight has pretty much no effect on the reaction on the ball. He agreed to sand my ball down to 1000 grit. During bowling, i did notice a strong but angular backend reaction on the ball as soon as i started reving the ball it alot more...shot 188 first game. I want to thank all of you for helping me with this situation.
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Hammer No Mercy 14#
Brunswick Power Groove 12#
Brunswick Zone 16#

wlee107

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2006, 03:55:07 PM »
Okay..back from the pro shop. After my discussion with the pro shop operator, he has told me that a ball like the no mercy's negative weight has pretty much no effect on the reaction on the ball. He agreed to sand my ball down to 1000 grit. During bowling, i did notice a strong but angular backend reaction on the ball as soon as i started revving the ball it alot more...shot 188 first game. I want to thank all of you for helping me with this situation.
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Hammer No Mercy 14#
Brunswick Power Groove 12#
Brunswick Zone 16#

scotts33

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2006, 09:46:30 PM »
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After my discussion with the pro shop operator, he has told me that a ball like the no mercy's negative weight has pretty much no effect on the reaction on the ball.


I disagree but if you are happy with it that's most important.

Used mine last game of a set for 256 using a Track Inertia with more surface on a heavier shot after track area broke down used the NM.  Great ball no weak hits one of the strikes left a standing 10 and something came out of the back of the pit and took the 10 pin forward.......very rarely see that.


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toomanytenpins

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2006, 10:43:58 PM »
i have been noticing the same thing about my nm ,but i thought it was due to damage. I have to be perfect in release and speed to get this ball to work. On the other side of the coin i have had people throw my ball and send it straight to the seven pin. I think the ball is fine i am just a lousy bowler trying to find a quick fix to my sorry game so i keep buying balls ,and guess what my game is still sorry and i am still buying balls. I just bought ny last one though .picked up a phenom unleashed for .99 on ebay. I only bought it because mine was stollen and i shot 300 with it.
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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2006, 05:11:03 AM »
I carry so many off hits with my NM that I feel it's almost like cheating.I've got so used to the awesome carry that anything else out of the bag is a disappointment.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2006, 10:14:35 PM »
thats curious,my ppex that i just realized is 5 to 7 boards stronger than my nm is set up pretty much like that trick layout for the nm.I have had every hp ball i have bought redrilled 3 times and i havent liked any of them before or after the redrill. I really would hate to play this game again,is it even worth it,the pics of the guy throwing it werent all that much different that i could see.
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njv29

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2006, 11:55:07 PM »
After reading these posts about negative side weight and a lack of the "big backend", I can't help but wonder if the ball may be burning up (rolling out because the ball is not finding enough oil to skid down the lane and store energy before changing direction quickly and violently). When the ball does not make the move that you want it to does it roll straight into the pins?

What I mean is does the ball start to hook, make a change in direction, and then "straighten out" in that direction. If so, then the surface and pin position of the ball is a greater problem then negative side weight (which I apply to the theory that negative side weight has absolutely no noticable effect at all on ball reaction). If the ball is burning too much energy, then the correct step would be to either sand the ball to a finer grit (4000 or so), or preferably polish the ball. By polishing the ball, it will skid much further down the lane and store extremely more energy for the backend, thereby flipping much more violently.

I also notice that your 3 balls are all of significantly different weights (12, 14, and 16 lbs.). Before worrying so much about negative weight and weight holes on your NAP I would look at getting a more consistent weighted arsenal (which by the way, a weight hole on your NAP will most likely increase the tendency of the ball to roll out and tame the backend down farther due to the change in density distribution of the core which has a much larger effect on ball reaction than static weights).

Although having a slightly ligter spare ball may be ok for some people, having a 4 pound difference between two of your balls is a major problem. There is absolutely no way you can make that change consistently and expect to make a quality shot. To throw a lighter or heavier ball, you have to change something about your approach, which is garaunteed to mess with your timing in one way or another.

Just some suggestions,
good luck with the No Mercy.

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toomanytenpins

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2006, 08:48:07 PM »
it may be driller friendlt but it isnt me friendly
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toomanytenpins

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Re: Still frustrated with the No Mercy
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2006, 08:49:26 PM »
i just had mine taken to 1000 and it it really didnt make any difference.
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