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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Balldoctor on August 21, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
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Go deep and watch it peel back. ;D
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Wow, based on that description this one will be a league favorite for sure! ;D
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
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every hammer ball is a recycled ball.
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every hammer ball is a recycled ball.
And a pretty damn good ball.
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Everyone recycles.
Hippies Wanted it so the ball company's do it!
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every hammer ball is a recycled ball.
And a pretty damn good ball.
If it ain't, broke don't fix it!
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Never thrown a BW, but agreed on the whole "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Idea. 900 Global Break, Radical Torrid, Ebonite V2, AMF Code.
If it rolls well, DO IT!
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I don't think Hammer needs to move away from that core. It works, people like it, and they keep finding new ways to wrap it. Fine.
I do, however, think that it's hard to continue justifying the premier price point for a core that's been used 15 times already (in fact, the price keeps going up). Of course, it's their right to price the ball as they see fit, and as long as bowlers keep buying them at the premier price point then they'll keep charging the same for it. I just think that it's getting tougher and tougher for pro shops to sell $250 balls, and even more so if there's a perception (real or not) that you're not getting anything new for the money. With other companies recycling older premium cores/coverstocks into mid-price or low-price options, I think it may become difficult to move these pieces from the shelves as bowlers see great values at better price points.
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Agreed. The price that justifies the new high end weightblocks is the amount of R&D that goes into it. If it's a brand spankin new design, that took a long time to R&D, the cost is justified. If you know the core works, however, the cost should drop. The Apex core from Ebonite shows that. It went from high end to middle of the road pricewise.
I don't think Hammer needs to move away from that core. It works, people like it, and they keep finding new ways to wrap it. Fine.
I do, however, think that it's hard to continue justifying the premier price point for a core that's been used 15 times already (in fact, the price keeps going up). Of course, it's their right to price the ball as they see fit, and as long as bowlers keep buying them at the premier price point then they'll keep charging the same for it. I just think that it's getting tougher and tougher for pro shops to sell $250 balls, and even more so if there's a perception (real or not) that you're not getting anything new for the money. With other companies recycling older premium cores/coverstocks into mid-price or low-price options, I think it may become difficult to move these pieces from the shelves as bowlers see great values at better price points.
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
Sir, based on all the interest we are getting on this new Taboo...I would say
Hammer is doing just fine with their cores...
I think it's safe to say that the cores in many models don't change that often...It seems that it's the cover stocks that do...
I like what the people at Hammer are doing...
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Hammer isn't the only recycler. They all do it storm being probally the biggest offender, ie any in the road line. It's not a bad thing. Once they find something that works well, why get rid of it? Just update it!
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
Considering the price of R&D to develop a core, if you can get away with using a proven core and upgrading the cover then do so........ i.e. bullwhip and cobra s.e., taboo jet black and deep purple, vibes, thunderroad series.
Although, i do understand why the price point is so high, i do agree that 165 is too much to pay for an upgraded version of the black widow.
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
Considering the price of R&D to develop a core, if you can get away with using a proven core and upgrading the cover then do so........ i.e. bullwhip and cobra s.e., taboo jet black and deep purple, vibes, thunderroad series.
Although, i do understand why the price point is so high, i do agree that 165 is too much to pay for an upgraded version of the black widow.
Yah, the price is high for a recycled core, but people are willing to pay it, so why wouldn't they keep using that core.
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loopzero..... the road series price has not changed by 50 bucks, the price has stayed the same.... i believe hammer should make that core cheaper. I remember buying the original black widow for only 120 bucks and the black taboo was basically the same ball and sold for 165. i believe the company should make a better core and a better coverstock. i saw a tremendous increase in the sale of hammer bowling balls when the jigsaw series came out. because high rev bowlers finally had a ball that had a strong cover with a more balanced core. they sold very well and then stopped producing it and went back to the gas mask. and besides the black. i personally didnt see many of the taboos sell. i see more vibes sell around me and any other hammer balls. just saying.
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and storm has had five american made balls with the shapelock core. each being produced better. they have had the best performing coverstock since 2008 and continuing getting better. the VG almost got ball of the year. next year the energy won the award with the r2x. the next year ebonite stepped up its game and won ball of the year with the mission. hmmm they changed......... the next year storm made the best better. the put the nano coverstock on the shape lock core to see how it would do. and it was awesome. now they have a new core. the MAD core and put the nano coverstock on it and i have seen a many vivids sell. and it has had major success. just saying... storm steps up to a challenge. looks like hammer cant stand up to a challenge.
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
Considering the price of R&D to develop a core, if you can get away with using a proven core and upgrading the cover then do so........ i.e. bullwhip and cobra s.e., taboo jet black and deep purple, vibes, thunderroad series.
Although, i do understand why the price point is so high, i do agree that 165 is too much to pay for an upgraded version of the black widow.
Yah, the price is high for a recycled core, but people are willing to pay it, so why wouldn't they keep using that core.
Well, thats my point. I agree it's too much to pay, however, they are selling. Its more of the consumer than the company pricing. They could raise the price to $200 per ball and as long as people continued to buy it, they would sell it at $200. Now if they make a High Performance ball, and it bombs in sales, then you'll see the price come down.
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hammer needs to get away from that core and find something better. all they do is redesign the same ball over and over and over again. its been out since 2005. find something better and get with the program
Something better?? Umm, there isn't such a thing. The Gasmask core is one of the best, strongest, most versatile cores in history. It's been proven. Hammer has done extensive testing with various covers around various cores and the Gasmask always comes out as "the best fit".
As for recycling. That's the name of the ball design game. Especially when you find something that works, ala the Gasmask. Every ball company does it. The program,as you refer to, is producing balls that work. The Widows and Taboos work. So I'd say Hammer is doing just fine in the "getting with the program" department.
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Well, wouldn't they sell a lot more if they lowered the price? Yeah, the core is awesome. I'll give it that much. If it moves like my Break did, bravo. Quit price gouging. With it being in 7 retired balls (Yes, the Big Blue Pearl had it without the pancake), and 5 Taboos (I guess, couldn't find the OG Taboo on hammerbowling.com), I think you've made your money, and more, back for R&D.
To make a similar comparision, 900/AMF have used the Break core in the Eagle, and lowered the price, are now using the Bank core in the Green Mamba, and lowered the price, are using the Bounty core in the Grip, and lowered the price, using a slightly modified Code core in the Hook series, and REALLY lowered the price.
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Ill probably get hung out to dry saying this but, numbers wise..it cant get any better than the gas mask right? It is as dynamic as the good ol usbc will allow.
The consumer will control the price or they will go out of biz. The reason its still a higher priced ball is because we keep buying it.
Hammer will change the status quo when they have or need to, besides...i remember all of the belly aching at league when the gas mask was temporarily gone. lol
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your attacking me like i hate hammer or something. I believe the ancient gas mask core should be retired or the price should go down... a balls over all performance now days are more based on coverstocks rather than cores. no matter whether it is symmetrical or asymmetrical. perfect example about coverstocks. hammer came out with the taboo blue silver and the taboo spare. same core. different coverstocks... which is gonna out perform the other? unless on a demanding pattern,. the blue/silver would drastically out perform the spare.... i am gonna compare my next point with storm's road series. storms road series started at 105 bucks on bowlingball.com years ago. and yes, the road series has had the inverted fe technology core powering it for a while, until recently when they changed to the new inverted fe^3 technology core in 2011. due to inflation and rising cost of materials, the cost of that bowling ball series by storm has gone up.... 14 bucks in a span of 7 years!!!! so im gonna say it again.. hammer needs to get with the program and step up its core design game. it seems to me like hammer is scared to step up to the challenge of producing a new core that would out perform its ancient "GAS MASK" core..
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Has anyone tested this ball yet, I could care less about the reusing of the core. i didnt own the original, i do own the Jet Black and love it.
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Has anyone tested this ball yet, I could care less about the reusing of the core. i didnt own the original, i do own the Jet Black and love it.
I drilled up a Deep Purple Wednesday and only have 5 games on it at most (2 different houses) but what I noticed is that is has a very distinct crack at the pins that's different from my current stuff. I never threw a Taboo before so I don't know if it's the gas mask core or the fresh cover but I am very pleased with what I am seeing so far. My wife just ordered a Jet Black so if I like what I see out of that I may get one also.
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Will it handle oil? Im looking for a Nano replacement
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The deep purple actually appears to be similar to Roto Grip's Critical Theory where the sanded pearl cover will offer length with maximum backend. The CT is really good on medium-heavy or when the heavy oil starts to carry down, so I would think this Taboo is very comparable in that way.
If you want a Nano replacement with the solid cover, you may want to check the Track 912T. Now that ball is very comparable to the Nano where it offers a ton of traction in the oil but is smoother, more forgiving, and seems to carry better overall. It's also stronger than the original Taboo solid.
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I bought one, SUPER EARLY and strong...need oil.....I will have a better idea come friday on fresh....