For your first Hammer, get a Toxic
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az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
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thanks but now im completely torn some say I should get the toxic others say I should get the doom, wellat least now I know I should probaly stay awy grom balls like the anger for now

reasing some reviews to the ball it seems like the doom would be a nice choice it says it fits right imbetween the anger and toxic and thats kind of what im looking for

I wouldn't say the Doom fits between the Toxic and Anger.  If anything, at least for me, OOB with the same layout...the Toxic is smoother in the backend, and the Doom goes a bit longer and is a bit more angular.  In terms of overall hook, I think the Toxic outhooks the Doom by a couple boards.  Playing the same line w/same target I'm about 1-2 boards left with my feet using the Toxic.

You can't really go wrong with either one.  I  prefer the Toxic over the Doom, but that alone shouldn't really matter.

As far as drillings, I'd talk to your driller about it.  Without knowing too much about your style and stats...I'd just stick with something simple like a label layout or something.

i know this might seem weird but the way i spin the ball is i put 2 fingers in the ball not using the thumb hole and palm it with my hand and wrist and this could effect the ball i use, and is their a name for doing that

ive never heard of the clash

i dont really know how else to spin it, on the house ball i tried it with my thumb and it hurt my wrist and it didnt feel comfortable, i think it could be different with a thumb hole farther from the 2 holes then i think i could get the same effect, and i get no spin if i use 2 fingers with the house balls

last, is it bad to do that