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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: cjh2839 on June 27, 2007, 01:11:45 PM
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No Mercy
Hawgzilla
No Mercy Beat'n (even though it hasnt came out i think the Hawgzilla would be better on heavy oil)
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Well, the No Mercy Beat'n is supposed to be longer, more backend, and more overall hook than the No Mercy. But I'm not too sure about the Hawg Zilla.
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just got a anger and that ball will be able to handle heavy oil also.
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Chris Leftwich
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I second the vote on the Anger.. The Anger I have drilled up will for sure handle more oil than the Hawgzilla and No Mercy. I had both of those and they where duds for me..
Who knows about the beat'n. I am not sure why people keep asking questions about a ball thats not even out yet.. Only a few touring pros have thrown this ball..
If you want a ball for oil, you can't go wrong with the Anger and for the price its a steal IMO..
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get a Anger for Heavy Oil FLoods
i got the
No Mercy most aggressive drilling pin next to ring cg in palm heart left of thumb
Black Widow pin over bridge cg kciked
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BOWL NC TOUGHSHOTS TOUR BOWLER?
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Hawg Zilla coverstock 1000 with a stacked levage drilling 3\3\8by 3\3\8moves through heavy oil with know problem.
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Hawgzilla man the Anger is a mid line ball and will not be nearly as strong as the Hawgzilla
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Mainzerpower
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I have some what of a different view than many when it comes to heavy oil. A lot depends on what you mean by heavy? Then you need to take into account the length of the oil which, in my mind; is more important.
I have found that on long oiled patterns a strong pearlized skid/flip ball works very well. I'm talking even if the pattern has a good amount(heavy) oil. You want a ball that can cover some ground in a short distance. Well pearlized skid/flip balls do this. The idea is to get the ball to set up before it hits the pocket. Well long patterns make this difficult to do.
The norm is to use a strong dull type of bowling ball for heavy long patterns. This approach works well when the back ends are not very lively. When the patterns is long and the back ends are dry then a skid/flip pearl is what I grab.
Then of course there's the totally flooded conditions. On these conditions it doesn't really matter what ball you use.
Hammer has several balls that work well on heavier long patterns.
If you like to use softer shells then look no further than the NO MERCY. The NO MERCY is an awesome bowling ball(if correct layout is used) that works well when there's a good amount of oil. It will burn up on lighter or short conditions.
The new ANGER is supposed to be a very strong solid reactive ball. I'm sure it will be a winner since it's got a Raw Hammer Core. At least you know it will carry really good.
I feel the DOOM is an excellent choice for many conditions. I like to use mine on long oil and clean back ends. This ball is a really great piece that Hammer has made.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
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that is a totally false statement.. Just because a ball is a mid line ball does not mean it is weaker than a high priced ball..
Like I said before, I have actually thrown both balls with very similar drillings and for me the Anger is stronger...
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Hawgzilla man the Anger is a mid line ball and will not be nearly as strong as the Hawgzilla
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Mainzerpower
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My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
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Hawgzilla man the Anger is a mid line ball and will not be nearly as strong as the Hawgzilla
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Mainzerpower
I guess that some players' "bad" experience with the Zilla come from simple lack of oil - and rollout with no hook or carry. The Zilla needs some good oil and can handle at OOB (4.000 Abralon, if I remember right) a good amount of it and longer patterns. The Anger is supposed to be weaker - and if it works better, then I must assume that it is simply because there is less overall oil on the lane, and the Anger matches up much better.
IMO, the new NM Beat'n will not necessarily handle more oil - it will move more, but will surely need some dry to cling to to work properly, while the original NM will read the lane earlier, needs some good head oil and offers, like the Zilla, much room for surface adjustments if you should really run into true soup that calls for even more and earlier grip. For me, it is a dead race between them, but the Zilla should be cheaper.
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I have had numerous conversations with Brian Graham with Hammer and he stated to me the Anger is the best oil ball in thier current lineup.. I know the Zilla is discontinued now, but for me the Anger is a stronger ball..
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Hawgzilla man the Anger is a mid line ball and will not be nearly as strong as the Hawgzilla
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Mainzerpower
I'm not sure which ball is stronger. In fact, it all depends on what you mean by stronger?
Also just because a mid-priced ball is cheaper than a high end piece doesn't always mean it's weaker.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
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chitown,
that was my point earlier..
JK
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Hawgzilla man the Anger is a mid line ball and will not be nearly as strong as the Hawgzilla
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Mainzerpower
I'm not sure which ball is stronger. In fact, it all depends on what you mean by stronger?
Also just because a mid-priced ball is cheaper than a high end piece doesn't always mean it's weaker.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
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My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
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Great comment Jeremy... My point exactly.. Mid priced means nothing as far as how strong a ball is.. The Hawg-zilla was discontinued for a reason. I know it wasn't that big of a seller..
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My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
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Man, I just wish I could see enough oil around here to warrant the Anger or NM on the majority of conditions I bowl on. Then, some are drilling the Anger at 4" ??
Man, I am lucky if I can go stronger than a 5" TOXIC.
I think a lot of people "fail" with a ball, because it burns up. Most THS are not conditions suitable for the NM with a #1, and OOB. Or, a Zilla. Just my opinion.
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Jason Jenkins
Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
http://www.hammerbowling.com/hammertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=2
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I think a lot of people "fail" with a ball, because it burns up. Most THS are not conditions suitable for the NM with a #1, and OOB. Or, a Zilla. Just my opinion.
Just my thoughts
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Well bud for starters I have a right to my opioion and you have no right to call it false. So IMO Hawgzilla will work best in oil because the cover and core were designed to work in oil and mind you I am talking large volumes of oil, not your measly house shot.
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that is a totally false statement.. Just because a ball is a mid line ball does not mean it is weaker than a high priced ball..
Like I said before, I have actually thrown both balls with very similar drillings and for me the Anger is stronger...
My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
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Mainzerpower
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I have my opinion and you have yours.. I agree with your statement 110%.
By the way, have you used BOTH balls on oil??? I also do not bowl on just a measly house shot.. I bowl in a travleling league that has all kinds of conditions.. I had and used the Zilla on multiple shots and for me the ball stunk.. I personally don't know anyone that liked the Zilla.. Some might have liked it and thats great.. IMO, there is a reason it was discontinued.. I just don't think it was the oil ball that Hammer said it would be..
I was saying your statement on mid line balls not being as strong as the zilla was false.. Sorry if that offended you..
JK
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Well bud for starters I have a right to my opioion and you have no right to call it false. So IMO Hawgzilla will work best in oil because the cover and core were designed to work in oil and mind you I am talking large volumes of oil, not your measly house shot.
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that is a totally false statement.. Just because a ball is a mid line ball does not mean it is weaker than a high priced ball..
Like I said before, I have actually thrown both balls with very similar drillings and for me the Anger is stronger...
My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
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Mainzerpower
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Edited on 6/28/2007 10:49 AM
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I have not used Hammer gear but I talked to my Pro shop and a friend of mine last night about this topic and they both agree that the HawgZilla is better suited for a heavy oil condition, We also agree that Anger will have more length through the heads and midlane which will get it past the oil but HawgZilla will rev up IN the oil, That is why I would Choose Hawgzilla!
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Mainzerpower
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The Anger box finish is 2000 abralon and the Hawg-zilla is 4000 abralon.. With just the coverstock in mind, the Anger will hook more in oil as the surface is duller.. They are both reactive covers. I had a Hawg-zilla and it did not like oil at all in box finish. Now once I took it down to 1000 abralon, it was a decent oil ball, but not in box finish.. I am sure if I took the Anger down to 1000 it would handle alot more oil as well..
I would email Brian Graham (Brand Manager) with Hammar and ask him his opinion. He has already told me in emails that the Anger is a great oil ball, but let him answer your question as he is for sure the expert on all Hammer equipment, both past and present..
You are gonna get alot of different opinions and you will have to decide for yourself what to go with..
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My first child.. Hannah Allison Kiser born 4/30/2007... My little angel..
Edited on 6/29/2007 1:46 PM
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Man, I just wish I could see enough oil around here to warrant the Anger or NM on the majority of conditions I bowl on. Then, some are drilling the Anger at 4" ??
Man, I am lucky if I can go stronger than a 5" TOXIC.
I think a lot of people "fail" with a ball, because it burns up. Most THS are not conditions suitable for the NM with a #1, and OOB. Or, a Zilla. Just my opinion.
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Jason Jenkins
Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
http://www.hammerbowling.com/hammertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Jason, this is why I always roll my pearl ball first. Rolling a pearl reactive down the lane will show if there's light or heavier oil. Reading the lanes with a solid reactive can be mis-leading. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the solid reactive is burning up.
I bowled on a broken down viper pattern last week. I tried using a NO MERCY playing a deep line. The NM had a decent reaction through out the lane but nothing special. I grabbed my DOOM and played the same inside line (between 4th and 5th arrow) but had a much more powerful reaction. Now I would of never thought the NM was burning up because of the oil on the ball when it came from the return. Very mis-leading! The DOOM showed me the inside part of the lanes were med to light amounts of oil at best.
I'm sure there's a lot of bowlers using balls that are way too strong for the conditions. I'm sure many of those powerful bowling balls are burning up. Some bowlers know this is happening. Other bowlers will call that powerful ball a "dud that doesn't hook a lot" not knowing it's burning up.
For the reasons above, I choose to use a reactive pearl as my first ball out of the bag to test the lanes.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
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my hawgzilla is pin next to ring cg stacked wit a weight hole but its polished and i got my BW dull NM 500 Zilla polished for now but? might keep it that way?
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my hawgzilla is pin next to ring cg stacked wit a weight hole but its polished and i got my BW dull NM 500 Zilla polished for now but? might keep it that way?
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As far as how you have your gear setup that is something you have to decide, are you most comfortable with them as they are? Or would you feel better if they were different? Up to you my friend. Personally I would bring the Zilla down to a more aggressive finish, bring the Widow back to box or have it plosihed just a little past box, then bring the No Mercy to box then your line up will be like this
Heavy-Zilla
Med- NM
Light to Med-Widow
This my opinion, you asked this is what you get.
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Mainzerpower