Author Topic: Why!? (Read 4916 times)

bigdawgwill44 · « **on:** March 24, 2008, 09:29:50 AM »

So i went for practice today. The lanes were heavier with it being after a morning league (39 ft). I pulled out my Hammer Raw Anger and that ball would not even budge. It was like throwing a straight plastic ball. I have been having problems with the Anger and the surface is at 500 grit currently. My Doom snapped maybe 3 boards but not even in the same universe as it usually does. Then my buddy is trowing the Blue Vibe and was having no problems. Now my question is, why is my "heavy oil anger" not hooking at all and a blue vibe is. Its not that there was no oil, there was plenty. it is drilled pin below the the two fingers i dont know if that changes anything. I'm really considering getting rid of the Anger, it just wont hook, annnnd i just hot water bathed it to try and fix this problem. thank you for helping!

chitown · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:05:18 PM »

First, was your buddy playing the same part of the lane as you?

Second, was your buddies Blue Vibe in box condition (polished)?

You said your DOOM only hooked about 3 boards which is not usual for the DOOM. That indicates there was a ton of oil on the lanes and probably a lot of carry down. All bowling balls will have trouble hooking in oil if it's too heavy. All bowling balls need dry boards to hook strong. Just by your statement of this being a 2nd shift pattern after a league session and your DOOM not hooking much at all, it seems as if there was massive carrydown.

Almost all bowling balls have trouble with carrydown. The only ball I ever rolled that actually made carry down seem like it wasn't there is the NO MERCY.

Edited on 3/24/2008 6:10 PM

themagician · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:07:25 PM »

That sounds odd. If the blue vibe was in box condition it very well could have been the anger burning up its energy too early. I had major issues with mine burning up early on conditions that my doom was working on. My anger really required a lot of oil to function properly without being polished.
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bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:34:11 PM »

Yes the Blue Vibe was brand new in OOB condition. But even on heavier oil the Anger is having trouble hooking, look at my link to see if the drilling has anything to do with it, is this a strong drill?

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h95/bigdawgwill44/0229082028-1.jpg

Hogsharley · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2008, 07:33:38 PM »

In my experience with practice during the day is that you cannot except a regular league house shot. The lanes usually play much different during the day than in the evening. The reasons why vary but take your Anger back to the lanes during league and see if it's the ball or the lanes before you go ahead and shelf it. I bet it's the lanes.

I've bowled day practice in a house by my job and they oil from 8 to 8 and right to the pin deck. I was throwing my brand new Bite on it and it wouldn't budge 1 board. The only way I can get it to hook is to bounce is off the outside dry. I take the Bite to my house and it's hooking 15 boards with no problem.

One more thing is that around here the kids had off today. Just imagine hours of open play with kids throwing plastic balls straight down 19.
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J_Mac · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2008, 08:03:01 PM »

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Yes the Blue Vibe was brand new in OOB condition. But even on heavier oil the Anger is having trouble hooking, look at my link to see if the drilling has anything to do with it, is this a strong drill?

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h95/bigdawgwill44/0229082028-1.jpg

That's not really a "weak" layout... but it's far too weak for true heavy oil... If there was league play on the lanes and the heads were starting to dry up as well as there being carrydown on the backends neither ball you used may have reacted "normally."

The OOB Vibe could have been hooking more because of a few reasons... your buddies release style, how and where he played the lanes and the layout of the Vibe.

If you can play outside or inside the burnt heads and move the breakpoint of your ball past the carrydown, or outside of it, you have a fighting chance of getting a ball reaction you're used to seeing.
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bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2008, 08:10:52 PM »

That's not really a "weak" layout... but it's far too weak for true heavy oil... If there was league play on the lanes and the heads were starting to dry up as well as there being carrydown on the backends neither ball you used may have reacted "normally."

would pin above ring be the stronger drill?

Edited on 3/24/2008 8:12 PM

J_Mac · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2008, 09:09:32 PM »

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That's not really a "weak" layout... but it's far too weak for true heavy oil... If there was league play on the lanes and the heads were starting to dry up as well as there being carrydown on the backends neither ball you used may have reacted "normally."

would pin above ring be the stronger drill?

Edited on 3/24/2008 8:12 PM

Honestly I gave that opinion on that layout's strength without knowing critical information about you, the bowler.

But for myself, a stronger layout for heavy oil would be the pin below and just to the right of my ring finger. Stronger yet would be a low pin stacked leverage.

I still think you're incorrectly considering the pattern to be heavy oil, when it's just a broken down house shot that a 500 abralon Anger has little to no place on.

Not enough oil in the heads and too much carrydown on the backends. Something that, to the untrained eye, can resemble "heavy" oil.
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The Bowlers Edge 2 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2008, 10:33:47 PM »

pin needed to be closer to the axis below the fingers to be a true heavy oil layout. under the fingers helps, but further right and under would have been better.
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bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2008, 01:52:12 AM »

If it is burning up, should i change the cover to like 1000?

Gazoo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2008, 08:57:54 AM »

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pin needed to be closer to the axis below the fingers to be a true heavy oil layout. under the fingers helps, but further right and under would have been better.
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This is untrue. You do not know where his PAP is. If it is only 3.5' over that would make this a very strong drill. You simply can not say for sure how strong a layout this is without knowing where the PAP is. If he is a low track bowler, and I would bet that he is, then this is about as strong a layout as you can put on the ball for heavy oil.

Yes. That drilling is for a low track bowler that is strong with a controlled backend in heavy oil and if the Blue Vibe is rolling that ball is burning up by the time it gets to the backend and not agressive enough to handle the carrydown. If you are indeed a low track bowler and want to see a more agressive backend in oil with carrydown, look at drilling#1 for low track bowler. As usual, talk to your driller.

bigsexyhammer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2008, 09:48:12 AM »

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If it is burning up, should i change the cover to like 1000?

Just the opposite. If it is burning up you want less surface. Try a quick coat of polish to see if that solves the problem. If it doesn't it is easy to remove the polish.

The easiest way to test the theory however is just throw the ball in the oil. Put it down in the middle of the lane and target different distances down lane where you will cross the oil line, and see how the ball reacts.

In his OP he said it was at 500. Therefore 1000 would be less surface...

I too agree that it was simply out of place on that lane. OP says heavier with it being after a morning league??? Lots of carry down and fried heads with a 500 grit ball that is a monster OOB = disaster.

Doom not moving? I am guessing it to be drilled skid snap, therefore going too long, getting into the carrydown and not being able to make its normal turn.

And then finally the Blue Vibe. Known to be the more midlane rolly Vibe, it has already made its move on the lighter oil mids and headed for the pocket before it hits the carrydown.

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chitown · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2008, 10:56:27 AM »

You never answred the question. Where on the lanes did your buddy use his Blue Vibe? Were you playing a similar part of the lane?

If you were bowling on a THS shot then take your ANGER and roll it up the 3 board and see what it does! Chances are it's going to hook a lot!

I'm also willing to bet your buddy was playing a different part of the lane with his Blue Vibe and You were playing directly in the carry down.

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2008, 12:22:55 PM »

does a low track mean not alot of revs? Again, would it be wise to change the surface from 500 to maybe OOB condition or around 1000 if it's burning up?

Edited on 3/25/2008 12:25 PM

chitown · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2008, 01:06:36 PM »

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does a low track mean not alot of revs? Again, would it be wise to change the surface from 500 to maybe OOB condition or around 1000 if it's burning up?

Edited on 3/25/2008 12:25 PM

Was your friend playing the same part of the lane as you?

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