Post by: Bar5003 on January 04, 2008, 01:25:10 PM
Yes i know this has already been posted (you guys are too quick for me
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Post by: FBM357 on January 04, 2008, 09:46:18 PM
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Post by: Greg T on January 04, 2008, 10:22:18 PM
Looks just like every other ball you see in a video.
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Post by: bassdozer on January 04, 2008, 10:24:36 PM
Almost too Alike
Post by: chaos10187 on January 04, 2008, 10:36:30 PM
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Looks just like every other ball you see in a video.
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Post by: Matt Fortney on January 04, 2008, 10:36:58 PM
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Post by: KingCranker on January 04, 2008, 10:38:21 PM
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ESPECIALLY the Black Widow Solid Video,
Almost too Alike
I have to agree with bassdozer on this one,ball does way too much the same as the Black Widow Solid,same black ball,same color engravings but with a few silver swirls in it.
I wish they woulda brought the Black Widow Sting to the US,what a beauty of a ball.
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Post by: Joe Jr on January 04, 2008, 10:42:39 PM
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Looks just like every other ball you see in a video.
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Yep, they all look the same. I love buddies videos but I wish they put the balls on a shot that would actually show the differences in them.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom-Chris on January 05, 2008, 06:55:18 AM
Thanks Brit for posting the video.
Bowlers, we understand that many of the videos look the same. Our biggest issue is that our center is extremely busy and it is very difficult for us to get them to put out other patterns. This is something that even frustrates us. Our house pattern has a large puddle in the middle of the lane. So what I can tell everyone is that the first thing I noticed about the Bite is how quickly it broke down the puddle. It sucks oil off the lane very fast. This did not happen with the original widow. Also, even though it is hard to see in the video the Bite is definitely stronger overall then the original. Sorry I know longer have an original in my bag to compare. Another thing that the videos can't tell or show is that our center does have more oil this year then last (I know Graham and Farley, thats hard to imagine).
We will be posting another Bite video from one of our Hammer Staff members. He is punching up three of them and will have other hammer balls to compare it to. He is a lower rev player but hopefully this will help show a difference between the solid and the bite.
Thank you to everyone for your support and your suggestions on how to better our video system.
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Post by: strikenout on January 05, 2008, 07:32:48 AM
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 05, 2008, 07:35:37 AM
slightly stonger version of the original Widow and that's a good thing. Hammer needs something to replace the original Widow because they can't keep on producing it forever. The Bite is a perfect replacement. It has the same weight block and a more aggressive cover.
What was everyone expecting? Something with a completely different reaction than the best selling Hammer ball on the market.
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Post by: chitown on January 05, 2008, 09:58:49 AM
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I really wish they wouldn't have made EVERY single shot on the fresh shot slow down at some point in the shot. First time i've ever been dissapointed with a video on buddies. Ball looks similar to the BW, but it's supposed to be similar. Better looking anyway!
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I totally agree! This was the first buddies video that I didn't like because of the slow motion stuff. I like when slow motion clips are used in vids but not to the extent they used them in this vid.
Even though I didn't care for the slow motion clips, I still appreciate the vids Buddies puts out.
I think it's good to show the ball on a THS but would also like to see it on a long fresh flat pattern.
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Post by: six pack on January 05, 2008, 10:53:30 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 05, 2008, 11:21:19 AM
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I will also be doing a Bite Video, in mine i will be comparing the Solid, Pearl and Bite, all with the same 3 layouts...on a THS and a PBA pattern, so stay tuned there is more to come from Videoballreviews and Buddies!
Then why throw in with Buddies Britton? You're video's have aways showed more comparison on different lane conditions than Buddies video's. You're coming down to their level by throwing in with them. IMO....you should have stayed in your own element.
I like Buddies as a internet based business and have bought stuff from them but I base nothing on their video's.
I'd also agree with those that would say why would you want a ball that sucks more oil off the lane? Can you imagine two 5-man teams with a bunch of Bite's? Sheesh.
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Post by: Bar5003 on January 05, 2008, 11:39:05 AM
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Then why throw in with Buddies Britton? You're video's have aways showed more comparison on different lane conditions than Buddies video's. You're coming down to their level by throwing in with them. IMO....you should have stayed in your own element.
I like Buddies as a internet based business and have bought stuff from them but I base nothing on their video's.
I am still in my own element, my videos havent changed really, have they?
The buddies videos have been added to show more styles and more balls that i could not show everyone due to a few of the companies that still were not participating with me and my site. I have gotten lots of positive feedback, now that for most balls have 2 if not more videos.
My goal is to create a one stop place on the net for ball reaction videos, and it was only a matter of time before more videos were needed to show multiple styles/shots. In my eyes the guys up at buddies are the only other people out there that make a good quality video for every company, that can help educate the consumer about each new ball that comes out. (Brunsnick is very good as well he just does exclusively Big B...)
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Post by: scotts33 on January 05, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
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I am still in my own element, my videos havent changed really, have they?
No, I think your video's show more style substance also on different lane conditions and comparison's in the same ball line. G-3 and FMG for instance.
Suggestion. Why not try to find another bowler or two with a different type of technique in your area? Say a pure stroker? A cranker? A lefty? You have tweener covered.
IMO....Buddies isn't adding much but that's just me. Seems to me their video's are pretty much the same on the same lane condition. Any thing looks good. You show the difference between a miss left or right.
I appreciate your work on your website. I don't see that Buddies adds anything but again that's just me.
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Post by: Matt Fortney on January 05, 2008, 01:20:21 PM
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I totally agree! This was the first buddies video that I didn't like because of the slow motion stuff. I like when slow motion clips are used in vids but not to the extent they used them in this vid.
Even though I didn't care for the slow motion clips, I still appreciate the vids Buddies puts out.
I think it's good to show the ball on a THS but would also like to see it on a long fresh flat pattern.
agreed. I really like the slow motion shots here and there, but i really don't think there was even ONE shot on the fresh shot at regular speed. I do appreciate the videos as well though. plus it's somthing to do when i'm bored lol.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on January 05, 2008, 03:31:30 PM
As for the videos being the same, if you have suggestions for the videos you can always email me. We have no control over the lane conditions, and being able to change patterns, we have been after our center for years to let us shot on different shots, but it hasn't happened. As for the variety of bowlers, our staff has a variety of different styles, and we always give the option to the ball companies to pick who they want to throw their balls. If they sent a case of balls for every video, then you would see 4 different styles in the same video.
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Post by: six pack on January 05, 2008, 04:23:23 PM
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Videos serve no purpose whatsoever,especially on house patterns.
Looks just like every other ball you see in a video, they all hook and strike on every shot.
Put the hands in fidge knuckler,the ball would rev up about
3 times as it was yanked into the hole and strikes every shot.
Total waste as this is only a dog and pony show to get you to buy the ball.
and still everyone likes to see them.
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Post by: Lane1BallSales on January 05, 2008, 04:30:15 PM
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Videos serve no purpose whatsoever,especially on house patterns.
Looks just like every other ball you see in a video, they all hook and strike on every shot.
Put the hands in fidge knuckler,the ball would rev up about
3 times as it was yanked into the hole and strikes every shot.
Total waste as this is only a dog and pony show to get you to buy the ball.
Post by: applegam on January 05, 2008, 04:42:05 PM
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I decided to try something different in this and the Cell video. I came up with the idea and tried it, I showed it to the rest of the guys at the shop and everyone thought that it showed the break point more clearly. Since everyone has agreed that they do not like the shots like this, I will go back to the other way. As for the Black Widow Bite and Solid being the same, this isn't true. The Bite has more angle at the break point then the Solid, and the Break seems to get through the front part of the lanes a bit cleaner.
As for the videos being the same, if you have suggestions for the videos you can always email me. We have no control over the lane conditions, and being able to change patterns, we have been after our center for years to let us shot on different shots, but it hasn't happened. As for the variety of bowlers, our staff has a variety of different styles, and we always give the option to the ball companies to pick who they want to throw their balls. If they sent a case of balls for every video, then you would see 4 different styles in the same video.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on January 05, 2008, 04:46:43 PM
As for the comments that they all look the same, when you do as many videos as we do, you are going to have the same balls reactions. If we bowled on a sport pattern with every ball, I am guessing in a couple of months, you would see the same ball reactions for certain balls when you compared them on a sports shot. It happens. We are trying to show what a specific layout on a house shot will do, which is what most bowlers bowl on. I also feel that a skilled tournament bowler will be able to judge from the reaction that they see on a house shot how this ball will be able to fit into their game.
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Post by: tdub36tjt on January 05, 2008, 05:13:56 PM
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What patterns would you like to see us throw these balls on? Most of the people that we speak to, ball on house shots. There is no "standard" for tournament shots, so let me know what you think we should be bowling on, and we will try once again to go to the bowling center.
As for the comments that they all look the same, when you do as many videos as we do, you are going to have the same balls reactions. If we bowled on a sport pattern with every ball, I am guessing in a couple of months, you would see the same ball reactions for certain balls when you compared them on a sports shot. It happens. We are trying to show what a specific layout on a house shot will do, which is what most bowlers bowl on. I also feel that a skilled tournament bowler will be able to judge from the reaction that they see on a house shot how this ball will be able to fit into their game.
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I think something that would be cool to see in a video would be more of a comparison. For instance, with the Black Widow original vs. the Black Widow Bite, it would be cool to see what the original would do on the same line as the Bite. Showing a few shots with the original and the Bite on the same line would give the viewer an idea of the difference in strength and roll. Brunswicks videos show this if you have seen one of their videos you would understand what I mean. Then show a move with the original to give it the right line to the pocket. Just a thought.
Britton does the comparison (which I think is nice), but he changes the line so they both strike, maybe show how one ball would not want to react or over react on that same line as the other. That might give a viewer a better understanding of what each ball does. It might show people that there really is a difference between the widow and the bite, etc.
Post by: BuddiesProShopcom-Chris on January 06, 2008, 09:27:34 AM
Again thanks to everyone for their advise and criticism.
We have just shot new video clips comparing the Black Widow Pearl, The Black Widow Solid, and The Bite. This will allow everyone to see the differences in each ball. We also analyzed the ball motion using digitrax to give everyone the exact #'s. This video should be built and put up later tonight. Hope this helps everyone out.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on January 07, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
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Post by: urbanshaft on January 07, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
now put those balls in a leftys hands
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 07, 2008, 04:08:20 PM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 07, 2008, 05:20:50 PM
I don't know what you average is, nor do I care, but don't go bashing on me because of what my average is, when you know nothing about where I bowl or how I bowl.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on January 07, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
I know he will never make a video because he want to hide behind is computer.
I did PM themezz, and told him to make his own video. He said that the only reason we do the videos is for sales tools. This is true. This is part of our job. We do videos to inform our customers. Information is what the sport needs. We try to help out customers in buying the ball they are looking for, instead of something that they don't want or need.
I never thought one video could start such a fury of posts.
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Post by: pjr300 on January 07, 2008, 07:10:14 PM
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.....I never thought one video could start such a fury of posts.
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Post by: KennyRambo on January 07, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
......and include the off shots that don't strike as well. I think that'd be a more honest comparison.
Post by: Grayson on January 08, 2008, 01:09:25 AM
the Video clearly shows how the three balls work differently - that is very good for everyone that has on of the three already!
WORK DONE!
the Video is not meant to teach how to bowl perfectly but show the ball's abilitly and movement.
WORK DONE!
The ones who want to see them are happy
The ones who consider the new ball are esspecially happy to see the difference before they buy the new ball.
The ones that argue that those Vids are futile have made their point clear more too often.
MY oppinion:
Please all you Vid makers out there keep it up. I find those Vids very informative no matter what anyone says. Any information is helping and better than NO information at all.
And what I have seen so far I get a lot of information so why complain?
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Post by: Djarum on January 08, 2008, 03:08:16 PM
For example:
"Featuring the High Mass Bias Gas Mask Core with Flip Block and new Violent Bite Reactive coverstock, the Black Widow Bite is what we moderately call “aggressiveâ€. The Black Widow Bite expands the performance offerings in the Black Widow series by offering a stronger hook motion with more aggressive backend. Take that as a warning. "
This doesn't tell me much. More agressive backend usually tells me a "long and strong" type ball. Obviously this isn't the case. I just don't get it.
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Post by: chitown on January 09, 2008, 11:56:24 AM
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themezz - you have never contributed anything to the sport of bowling other than coming on here and putting down anyone that has tried to contriubte to the sport.
I know he will never make a video because he want to hide behind is computer.
I did PM themezz, and told him to make his own video. He said that the only reason we do the videos is for sales tools. This is true. This is part of our job. We do videos to inform our customers. Information is what the sport needs. We try to help out customers in buying the ball they are looking for, instead of something that they don't want or need.
I never thought one video could start such a fury of posts.
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Post by: baccala8872 on January 09, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
Please don't stop what you are doing. I may just be a mindless piece of livestock following the herd in our quest to find the best hitting and carrying ball that is out there, but I happen to find your videos quite helpful.
And to the dolt (themezz) that is too lazy to go on your site and find the guys' video that matches your style, well there's just no pleasing some people. You guys just drilled up balls for my wife and I. When I spoke to Chris, I told him whose style I matched up most with from the individual videos of the testing staff at Buddies. You guys punched it up accordingly, and my Twisted gave me a phenomenal look because of it.
themezz, you are as pertinent to bowling as it would be for Bob Dole to try to impersonate Osku Palermaa's style.
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Post by: Fatboy8 on January 09, 2008, 12:43:43 PM
Nice job!
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Post by: baccala8872 on January 09, 2008, 01:06:13 PM
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IMO, for what it's worth, the video does a good job in showing the differences in all 3 balls, which that's what people who have or want to buy any of those balls is looking for-comparison.
Nice job!
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Post by: postmanisu on January 10, 2008, 06:29:16 PM
-92 for 10 finished 33rd, not bad for the Bradley