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What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« on: February 04, 2018, 08:07:00 PM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

 

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2018, 12:41:54 AM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

Sophomore and averaging 215? I'd definitely call you the exception!

Going back to my days, we were the elite if we averaged anywhere between 165 and 190, where the exception to the average is if you were around or over 200. However, I will caveat that with "my days" being the days where HP balls were all urethane, and reactive resin was just about to come onto the scene.

Come to think about it, even in today's game, there are some collegiates who are currently averaging around the 175-190 range, with the bulk of them between 180 and 200.

Do you have a junior travel league in your area? If so, that may be a good barometer for what the average is in your area. Back in my day, minimum average to even be considered for that league was 150, but now with it being a league for qualifying for Jr. Gold, that league is definitely now for the elite.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2018, 07:37:40 AM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

Sophomore and averaging 215? I'd definitely call you the exception!

Going back to my days, we were the elite if we averaged anywhere between 165 and 190, where the exception to the average is if you were around or over 200. However, I will caveat that with "my days" being the days where HP balls were all urethane, and the reactive resin was just about to come onto the scene.

Come to think about it, even in today's game, there are some collegiates who are currently averaging around the 175-190 range, with the bulk of them between 180 and 200.

Do you have a junior travel league in your area? If so, that may be a good barometer for what the average is in your area. Back in my day, minimum average to even be considered for that league was 150, but now with it being a league for qualifying for Jr. Gold, that league is definitely now for the elite.

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There is a league around in my area. I would say around 175-190 for that league average also. I was just thinking about colleges and stuff around those areas. I have been told that it is a little too early to start thinking about colleges in your sophomore year though. Just thinking a little ahead if you know what I mean.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2018, 08:41:37 AM »
Interesting question. I'd guess in the 140-150 range for my area. The majority of teams being from small, rural schools. That number includes both the boys and girls teams. And all alternates.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2018, 08:52:12 AM »
It all depends on the district's requirement on lane patterns.  Our center hosts high school matches on Thursdays and they use a house shot I believe.  But I have heard of other districts using something more akin to challenge patterns, but not sport.

College used to be based on house patterns or "modified" house patterns.  Then my last year or two, most tournaments (especially the bigger ones) went to sport conditions.  This was around 2005-2006 time frame.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 04:56:09 PM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

Sophomore and averaging 215? I'd definitely call you the exception!

Going back to my days, we were the elite if we averaged anywhere between 165 and 190, where the exception to the average is if you were around or over 200. However, I will caveat that with "my days" being the days where HP balls were all urethane, and the reactive resin was just about to come onto the scene.

Come to think about it, even in today's game, there are some collegiates who are currently averaging around the 175-190 range, with the bulk of them between 180 and 200.

Do you have a junior travel league in your area? If so, that may be a good barometer for what the average is in your area. Back in my day, minimum average to even be considered for that league was 150, but now with it being a league for qualifying for Jr. Gold, that league is definitely now for the elite.

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There is a league around in my area. I would say around 175-190 for that league average also. I was just thinking about colleges and stuff around those areas. I have been told that it is a little too early to start thinking about colleges in your sophomore year though. Just thinking a little ahead if you know what I mean.

Okay, I'll say with full honesty here that whoever told you that it is too early to start thinking about colleges is clearing blowing smoke out of their ass. During my normal youth league on Saturdays, we were happy and lucky that twice a year, we'd have a Collegiate team stop in and actually bowl with us, let alone them telling us how Collegiates is, let alone the coaches scouting for new recruits. Again, I was in Omaha, and had 2 collegiate teams nearby (Nebraska-Omaha, and Nebraska). It is never too early to be thinking about collegiates and gearing your game toward what you want, and what school would be the best fit for you.

However, I will say that you should think about what degree and what major you want, as that will also play a factor in where you go. For example, if you want to major in Information Technology, Aviation, or Business Administration, going to an agriculture-focused university with a good bowling team may not be the best fit. So the sooner you think about what you want to do, the better you'll be in finding the right place that fits, both in terms of the collegiate team you'll be on, as well as the degree you want to have.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 07:03:27 PM »
Interesting question. I'd guess in the 140-150 range for my area. The majority of teams being from small, rural schools. That number includes both the boys and girls teams. And all alternates.

So from what i'm getting from this is that it deals with the area of the bowlers. More populated the area is, the better bowlers.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 07:08:17 PM »
It all depends on the district's requirement on lane patterns.  Our center hosts high school matches on Thursdays and they use a house shot I believe.  But I have heard of other districts using something more akin to challenge patterns, but not sport.

College used to be based on house patterns or "modified" house patterns.  Then my last year or two, most tournaments (especially the bigger ones) went to sport conditions.  This was around 2005-2006 time frame.

Well, i think that some houses for our section use house but some others ones use easy sports shots. I can go to a center and almost everyone will score (coming from my high school bowling team, everyone would shoot around 450 for a 3 game set). But other ones they will struggle and sometimes I struggle on those.

My high school team isn't that talented. Highest average other then I am about 155, not if a little lower. But, just to get it clear, when I mean they 'score', I mean around 450-500 for the 3 game set. Sorry for some confusion that would've made.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 07:13:43 PM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

Sophomore and averaging 215? I'd definitely call you the exception!

Going back to my days, we were the elite if we averaged anywhere between 165 and 190, where the exception to the average is if you were around or over 200. However, I will caveat that with "my days" being the days where HP balls were all urethane, and the reactive resin was just about to come onto the scene.

Come to think about it, even in today's game, there are some collegiates who are currently averaging around the 175-190 range, with the bulk of them between 180 and 200.

Do you have a junior travel league in your area? If so, that may be a good barometer for what the average is in your area. Back in my day, minimum average to even be considered for that league was 150, but now with it being a league for qualifying for Jr. Gold, that league is definitely now for the elite.

BL.

There is a league around in my area. I would say around 175-190 for that league average also. I was just thinking about colleges and stuff around those areas. I have been told that it is a little too early to start thinking about colleges in your sophomore year though. Just thinking a little ahead if you know what I mean.

Okay, I'll say with full honesty here that whoever told you that it is too early to start thinking about colleges is clearing blowing smoke out of their ass. During my normal youth league on Saturdays, we were happy and lucky that twice a year, we'd have a Collegiate team stop in and actually bowl with us, let alone them telling us how Collegiates is, let alone the coaches scouting for new recruits. Again, I was in Omaha, and had 2 collegiate teams nearby (Nebraska-Omaha, and Nebraska). It is never too early to be thinking about collegiates and gearing your game toward what you want, and what school would be the best fit for you.

However, I will say that you should think about what degree and what major you want, as that will also play a factor in where you go. For example, if you want to major in Information Technology, Aviation, or Business Administration, going to an agriculture-focused university with a good bowling team may not be the best fit. So the sooner you think about what you want to do, the better you'll be in finding the right place that fits, both in terms of the collegiate team you'll be on, as well as the degree you want to have.

BL.

That's what I was thinking also. Didn't want to say anything to the person because I didn't want to seem like a dick to him or anything. I've been looking around somewhat since our season started in November-Early December.

I was talking to my father about it also and he said to let the colleges come to you. In my honest opinion, I don't I am that good to be noticed by colleges and stuff like that. Don't mean to drag me down or anything. I honestly don't know the rules for that either. I don't know when they could actually talk to me and interact with me in general. It would be cool but don't want to get the hopes up for one to come to me.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 12:06:41 AM »
That's what I was thinking also. Didn't want to say anything to the person because I didn't want to seem like a dick to him or anything. I've been looking around somewhat since our season started in November-Early December.

I'll say this. Like you mentioned earlier, while the talent for your area depends on where you are, you may find yourself looking outside your local area for the challenge, at least to better yourself. Here's an example.

We had a scratch match play league in our area, which was double elimination. Most everyone that was in that league with me I either bowled with on my youth league on Saturdays, in my high school league, or in our travel league. So we all knew each other's game. And in a town like Omaha at the time, where we had at least 22 different houses at the time, we knew who was in the elite with us.

Enter this new guy into the area, who turned out to be on average 30 - 40 pins better than all of us. He was from Sioux City - 100 miles north of us. Smaller town, smaller group of youth bowlers, so he came down looking for a bigger challenge, while we were looking for a challenge as well. Both of us got what we wanted.

He bowled with us through that eliminator league, and after that, I didn't see him for another 3 years; happened to be at a collegiate tournament; me at Nebraska, he at Ball State.

As far as what your father said, he is also partially right. If there is a dream college you're wanting to get into for bowling, don't put that out of your sights, but also keep your options open and let them also try to find you. You'll see a lot of scouts (read: coaches) at a lot of the Jr. Gold tournaments, so that is a place to showcase who you are and what you have to offer.

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I was talking to my father about it also and he said to let the colleges come to you. In my honest opinion, I don't I am that good to be noticed by colleges and stuff like that. Don't mean to drag me down or anything. I honestly don't know the rules for that either. I don't know when they could actually talk to me and interact with me in general. It would be cool but don't want to get the hopes up for one to come to me.
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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 09:08:52 AM »
If I may ask, are you male or female?  I ask because collegiate bowling exists in two different ways.  NCAA for women and Club Bowling for men and women. 

If you are male, there really won't be much in the way of bowling scholarships or stuff like that.  Some of the better teams do have equipment contracts, but most make money from fund raising and whatever the school provides.

Female bowling provides two avenues, NCAA with all of the restrictions associated with them along with scholarship potential.  Women can also compete on the club level either on the men's team or on a women's team at club events.

Even though it has been a few years, if you have any questions about the collegiate side of things, I bowled and coached at a very large school and my wife bowled collegiately in NCAAs at a top women's bowling school.  I also believe bradl from above bowled collegiately. 

I understand the want to be a great collegiate bowler on a great team, but education should come first no matter what.  I felt I was a good college bowler, but getting my degree in chemical engineering was first on my list, bowling came third after work.

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 09:25:33 AM »
I have been wondering this for a while. I am currently a high school bowler my self (sophomore, average 215), and I am trying to figure out something. In your opinion, what would be your guess on an "average" high school bowler? I would take my guess around 150-175. That might just be a bit low for other people. Leave your opinion about this in this post. I want to make this really interesting.

High school bowling is a big sport here in Bergen County, NJ. My league teammate has a son on his high school bowling team. The young man also bowls in a junior traveling league. It has been very enjoyable to watch high school and traveling league competition.

My teammate's son averages about 195 and anchors his high school team. On the high school 4 man team, one other bowler averages about 190, and the other two bowlers are in the 150-170 range. Traveling league averages are quite a bit higher: most bowlers are in the 185-205 range with a few above and below that range.

Your estimate of the "average" high school bowler is pretty accurate.
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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2018, 10:43:51 AM »
I coach a HS team in my area.  They only bowl on challenge conditions so adjust the averages accordingly:


Girls:
Best:  175+
Good:  150-174
Average:  130-149

Boys:
Best:  190+
Good:  170-189
Average:  130-169

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 12:56:57 PM »
I would say new bowlers to the game 100-120, someone who has been bowling 2-3 years 125-145, anything over 3-5 years for bowling 160 - 180, 5+ 180-200 range

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Re: What would be the average for a high school bowler?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2018, 07:38:54 PM »
If I may ask, are you male or female?  I ask because collegiate bowling exists in two different ways.  NCAA for women and Club Bowling for men and women. 

If you are male, there really won't be much in the way of bowling scholarships or stuff like that.  Some of the better teams do have equipment contracts, but most make money from fund raising and whatever the school provides.

Female bowling provides two avenues, NCAA with all of the restrictions associated with them along with scholarship potential.  Women can also compete on the club level either on the men's team or on a women's team at club events.

Even though it has been a few years if you have any questions about the collegiate side of things, I bowled and coached at a very large school and my wife bowled collegiately in NCAAs at a top women's bowling school.  I also believe Brady from above bowled collegiately. 

I understand the want to be a great collegiate bowler on a great team, but education should come first no matter what.  I felt I was a good college bowler, but getting my degree in chemical engineering was first on my list, bowling came third after work.

I am a male. I have also been told that there are not that many things out there for boys, you have to really good to get some scholarships for that. from what i have seen on the internet and stuff like that, you have to be one of the best in the country to get a scholarship for a college. Like the Kameron Doyle, Wesly Low, Adam Zimmerman, etc.