Post by: D McLaughlin on April 19, 2004, 12:50:48 AM
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Umm....Walter Ray....its customary to hand over your wallet AFTER I beat you. Its not like we haven't been through this a hundred times.
Post by: solid9pin on April 19, 2004, 04:09:01 PM
and their over head, They have to sometimes charge higher prices.
I bought a new ball from http://www.drylanes.com and it was fairly cheap.
Post by: Steven on April 19, 2004, 04:18:24 PM
Ball -------- $190
Shipping -- $ 18
Total ------ $208
I take the ball to my driller, and I pay him the following for his services:
Drilling -------- $35
Thumb Slug -- $15
Finger grips -- $ 5
Total ---------- $55
Grand Total -- $263 (assuming I pay no taxes, which might be questionable)
For comparision sake, I can get a high end pearl particle from any company (with all the trimmings out the door), for less than $200.
I personally feel value is in the eyes of the beholder, so I'm not getting into the 'Lane 1 price' debate. I'm just saying that Darren's numbers are close.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 19, 2004, 04:32:41 PM
blah blah blah who cares but non lane1 users so go throw throw your brand of balls and shut up and bowl!!!!! I have every brand they are all good but every week some smuck beats the horse again willing or unwilling!!
Post by: Steven on April 19, 2004, 04:41:36 PM
With respect to getting the total price cheaper, it's simply not practical in most cases to get some of the deals that are suggested here. There are only so many internet guys in the world who will sell the complete package for almost no profit. Besides, I put a lot of value in quality local service, for selfish reasons more than anything else. I have a difficult thumb to drill for, and logic tells me no one is going to get it right in one shot through the mail. I'll spend 5-10 minutes of final hair line adjustments with my local guy before taking the lanes. How am I going to do this with an Internet drilled ball?
In general, I believe it's really the same situation for most bowlers. So accepting that most bowlers need to get their drills local, where are the numbers wrong?
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Post by: a_ak57 on April 19, 2004, 05:24:13 PM
WHY DO YOU CARE?!? Nobody is taking your money to pay for Lane 1 gear, so what the hell is your problem? You won't be able to give a convincing response to this, simply because you don't have one!! There is no logic. Let people use what they want. Case closed.
BTW, I could get a Silver Diamond from Doug STerner drilled, with inserts/slug for $180. MY local pro shop charges over $200 for a V2 Dry w/o slug. And technically, they're both mid priced.
And no, I don't even use Lane 1...even look in my profile, I'm an all company guy. So don't use "bias" crap against me. Not trying to be angry, but you really have made no sense.
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Post by: Steven on April 19, 2004, 05:44:17 PM
This thread is not about Lane#1 bashing. It's not saying that Lane#1 balls are good, bad, or neutral. The topic poster is simply trying to understand the Lane#1 pricing model and asking for further insights. I in turn provided insights based on a real world transaction to substantiate what was originally posted, so why are you acting like someone just took your candy away?
I'm sure that Doug did a good job for you, but low ball internet pricing was not part of this discussion. We're talking about what most people generally pay to buy and drill a ball.
If you have something constructive to add, please do. Otherwise don't waste the time of those who want to have a serious discussion on the subject.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 19, 2004, 05:45:46 PM
Ball $169
Shipping $12
Drill $25
Thumb Slug $5
Grips $5
Total = $216
Since I bought my Uranium, my Pro Shop has started selling them for $202 drilled plus $10 for slug and grips plus tax of $16.70 for a total of
$228.70.
I note that everyone seems to use Buddies as an example flor everything. For everyone's information, Buddies are not the cheapest on everything. Especially things like Balls, Wrist Devices, Ball Polishes, and etc. plus their shipping costs are higher than some of the places on this site.
Like Ragnar, I'm not going to be drawn into this. This is the only statement I will make. Facts are facts, so with that being true there is nothing to argue about.
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on April 19, 2004, 05:58:09 PM
Boo. Hiss. I can hear it coming right now! lol Actually, I almost bought a Lane #1 this season until I got sticker shock. Drilled with grips and a slug, it was going to be $262. Screw that.--------------------
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Post by: ozsweet on April 19, 2004, 06:12:26 PM
Post by: a_ak57 on April 19, 2004, 06:25:58 PM
Steven, sorry if i came off as childish, but it's true, you started the whole lane 1 price thing. But my point still stands: what does it matter?
And sorry, but you provided no insight to the question of why the stuff is expensive, all you did was try to prove that they are more expensive! I agree with that, they are, but don't try to make me look stupid, while you didn't even answer the question yourself. You told me to read...well, I suggest you should read the original post yourself.
And finally,
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If you have something constructive to add, please do.
Looks like you failed to do that yourself, chief. Nice work.
Well, I'm done, keep arguing if you wish, since that's apparently all you can do.
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Post by: Steven on April 19, 2004, 06:58:46 PM
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Steven, sorry if i came off as childish, but it's true, you started the whole lane 1 price thing. But my point still stands: what does it matter?
No, Ragnar did. In the first reply, Ragnar challenged one of the main points of Darren's topic -- Lane#1 pricing. If we don't have a consensus on absolute Lane#1 pricing, the whole thread falls apart. So my response was to substantiate Darren's numbers, hopefully allowing the thread to continue as originally stated; no more no less.
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And sorry, but you provided no insight to the question of why the stuff is expensive, all you did was try to prove that they are more expensive!
The original question was why MoRich is less expensive -- not why Lane#1 is more expensive. Again, I was responding to Rags so that the topic could be explored as written. Why Lane#1 is more expensive was not asked, and I'm not going there anyway.
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I agree with that (Lane#1 being more expensive), they are, but don't try to make me look stupid, while you didn't even answer the question yourself.
Again, Rags did not agree with Lane#1 being more expensive, so we had an exchange for clarification. You're clearly not stupid because you have writing skills beyond your years -- it's your reading comprehension and analytical skills that have to be worked on.
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Looks like you failed to do that yourself, chief. Nice work. Well, I'm done, keep arguing if you wish, since that's apparently all you can do.
Nice try, but you're not getting off that easy. Read back through the thread now and hopefully things will make more sense. If they don't, I'm giving you more credit than you deserve.
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Post by: a_ak57 on April 19, 2004, 07:05:27 PM
Jabberwocky just made an almost identical thread, so this one doesn't need more use.
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Post by: a_ak57 on April 19, 2004, 07:13:25 PM
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Post by: D McLaughlin on April 19, 2004, 09:39:09 PM
Secondly, I apologize to you Steven for any undue strife drawn to you by your reply. Was not my intent at all. I simply asked a question in the hopes someone here had more info on that aspect...that is all. Please accept my apologies.
PS- The Ravage is reported as being an OnSlaught core with the PowerKoil18(DangerZone) coverstock...for those interested in something other than heated arguments over individuals budgets.
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Umm....Walter Ray....its customary to hand over your wallet AFTER I beat you. Its not like we haven't been through this a hundred times.
Post by: a_ak57 on April 19, 2004, 09:40:26 PM
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Post by: slumpp on April 21, 2004, 07:25:44 PM
Post by: JS on April 22, 2004, 10:55:02 AM
ps. To answer the original question, it appears that the Ravage is in line with the Uranium. The Ravage uses PK18 and the Uranium uses the Activator cover. I paid $179 for my Uranium and $40 to have it drilled with inserts and mold. So the prices seem to be very close.
Edited on 4/22/2004 10:55 AM
Post by: Steven on April 22, 2004, 01:42:07 PM
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Secondly, I apologize to you Steven for any undue strife drawn to you by your reply. Was not my intent at all. I simply asked a question in the hopes someone here had more info on that aspect...that is all. Please accept my apologies.
Darren: There is no need for you to apologize. I love mixing it up, so no harm and no foul.
The irony is that folks are so jumpy about the Lane#1 that the minute 'price' is brought up in any context, some posters jump to conclusions and freak out without actually reading and understanding the subject posted. That's certainly what happened in this topic.
You didn't ask this, but Lane#1 charges more because they can -- period. Richie and company have developed a niche market through great marketing, superior customer service, and frankly by providing a product that is a little different from the rest of the crowd. I have an SCB, Cranberry, and XXXL, and they are different from my bread-and-butter equipment from Ebonite, Storm, Track, Columbia and Brunswick. Is it better??? What one bowler might consider a center heavy boat anchor is another bowlers salvation from the gods of bowling. I'm not going to get into where is personally stand, other than to say I won't need boat anchors any time soon.
Only Richie knows for sure, but I'm willing to guess that the cost structures for Lane#1 and MoRich production are fairly close. So all the more power to him if he's been able to develop a loyal following willing to pay a premium and put extra change into his pocket. It's the American way!
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Edited on 4/22/2004 1:36 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 22, 2004, 04:47:11 PM
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Nothing hits as hard as an Uranium
Post by: D McLaughlin on April 22, 2004, 04:50:14 PM
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Umm....Walter Ray....its customary to hand over your wallet AFTER I beat you. Its not like we haven't been through this a hundred times.