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Steven

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BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« on: February 29, 2008, 02:01:52 PM »
Well, the long awaited day finally arrived. I picked my BuzzBOMB (BB) up late this afternoon. Out of the box, the ball was 15lbs 3oz, with 3oz of top weight. After much discussion at the shop the other day, we decided to go with a 4 1/2 x 3 3/8 drill. For me, that puts the pin .5" from the ring finger in the 4 O'Clock position, and the CG 2.5" right from the center vertical grip line (strong position).

This is a very aggressive drill, and my starting thoughts were that this pattern might be too strong. Originally, I was thinking about putting the pin at 5-5.5" from my PAP (on the vertical grip line below the fingers), but we decided that since this is going to set up as a heavy oil ball, go with the pin a little closer to the PAP. This takes the pattern very close to what T-GOD has repeatedly recommended as the optimal setup for the BB.

I got on the lanes immediately after the lane guy had stripped and re-oiled the fresh THS shot for the evening leagues. I first threw several shots with my Lane#1 Supernova and Columbia Rival to warm-up and get a benchmark feel for reaction.

OK, now for the initial BB results. At least on a fresh THS off the dry, this ball is very aggressive. Starting outside and sending the ball past the 5 board with a breakpoint at the 3, the ball made a huge recovery back to the pocket. So at this point, I was fairly convinced the ball wasn't the 'dud' a few here had labeled.

After this test, I moved into the vast puddle set up in the middle where I generally don't venture. With the Rival and Supernova, I set up my left foot on 32 on the starting approach, and sent the ball over the 15 at the arrows with predictable results. The Rival labored to make it back, generally leaving washouts. The Supernova, a slightly more aggressive ball, usually made it back enough to leave buckets. The BB on the other hand recovered nicely. I actually left a few stone 9's hitting the pocket from this angle. I'm a medium handed guy, and the BB was clearly opening up the lane for me in a way my other equipment wasn't doing.

I was only able to throw a few games, so this is hardly an exhaustive first test. I have my PBA league with Shark coming up in a few days, so that will offer a more complete evaluation of the ball.

What I did leave with is confidence that the positive evaluations by Buddies and other credible proshops here on ballreviews is real. And that for those who have had BB problems, the issue is either with drill, lack of adequate hand, or possibly (but very improbable) a defective ball. The BuzzBOMB is a very aggressive cover wrapped around a very aggressive core. If the BB is either not set up properly, used on the wrong conditions, or thrown by a bowler without the prerequisite ability, the ball will be unfairly be labeled a dud.

I'm looking forward to throwing the BB on Shark next week. My SCB has been handling the condition well, but my thinking is that the BB might even be better.
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 02:38:13 AM »
sounds good so far.  
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 10:14:47 AM »
nice to see it worked well with you .. now you got me thinking as I planned to go with the pin being 5" from pap

regarding this "dud" thing ... all bowling balls can be easily labeled dud as someone somewhere will say it did not work like it should .. some are smart and know not every ball will match up with them .. others .. lets just say ..they have to whine about it  
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2008, 10:20:53 AM »
I don't think the guys that the ball didn't work for were saying that the ball was a dud, but were simply saying that the ball didn't work for them. It seems that some balls even the ones that the majority say work great for them work for all bowlers, just a fact of life. For instance I bought my first Lane1 ball which was a Tsunami had it drilled and redrilled didn't work for me worked for majority of bowlers , just one of those things.
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 10:50:06 AM »
I think the word Dud and Turd were used a couple of times. Having the correct layout on a ball for what you are trying to accomplish with the ball is critical. But then again sometimes are expections far exceed reality when it comes to bowling ball performance!

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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2008, 10:53:41 AM »
not to hijack the thread  

Rileybowler

all the threads that were made calling the BB a dud,included all lane1 balls with exception to one thread where the member really wanted to figure out what was wrong

I only use lane1 balls and some of them I gave away cause they just did not match well .. for example the Hyper Dirty Bomb .. I redrilled that ball 3 times and nothing worked ... could simply be a BigB fault as I had another ball that did not hook at all because of a fake-pin (was funny to see how it looked after I cut the ball into 2 halves and seeing the fake-pin) .. and thanks to lane1 for replacing it with another one
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 11:15:35 AM »
Everything has an answer, gentlemen. I suggest to you that the proper approach is to examine the situation and try to find an answer, rather than to say it doesn't work and the others are wrong. Takes time and data yes, but certainly worth the effort.
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2008, 11:26:59 AM »
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Everything has an answer, gentlemen. I suggest to you that the proper approach is to examine the situation and try to find an answer, rather than to say it doesn't work and the others are wrong. Takes time and data yes, but certainly worth the effort.
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My point exactly in a round about way.

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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2008, 01:18:42 PM »
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I've had several duds. Two Brunswicks, a storm and a Dynothane that had bad coverstocks on them. Sht happens.

Althought it doesn't happen often, it does happen. I've been down the "wrong layout, wrong surface and wrong condition for the ball' route with all of them.
 


Inverted: There is a difference between setting up an otherwise 'good' ball up wrong, and a ball that's just a plain dud.

I don't make mistakes on setup very often, but I did on both my Dirty Bomb and Hybrid Dirty Bomb. I recognize I made the error. I can see that if I had set up these balls different, they'd react better off my hand. So, from my perspective those balls are not 'duds'.

On the other hand, I had a Storm X-Factor Deuce a few years back, and there is no question in my mind that the ball was a dud. Two redrills and endless surface adjustments couldn't provide any consistency. So Duece=DUD.

I generally find that the more aggressive a core/cover combination, the more care you have to use in setup. And frankly, not everyone matches up to really aggressive stuff. If any of this is the case, it's not fair or intellectually honest to label to the ball a dud.
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 12:22:54 PM »
Lets see,

Even Ritchie posted that he might have been a little too generous with the hook potential numbers that he had rated on the ball.  So right out of the horses mouth, the ball didn't live up to the orginal hype that was touted about the ball.

You heard it (read it) directly from Ritchie, so if he said the ball didn't live up to the potential he touted and I am looking for the potential I paid for, then the ball is a dud in my eyes.  I buy a ball to hook as much as it says it was suppose to, it didn't, the owner of the company agreed.

Now if the ball was advertised to be a great ball, handle oil very well and not a hook monster, I would ay great.  But I believe the literature said the hook rating was 120 out of 120 and 80 percentt back end.  Not an early rolling ball, not one that hooks from the foul line to the pocket, but one that has 120 hook rating and 80 percent on the back end.  It should have easily rivaled the Bite.


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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 01:13:06 PM »
Actually he stated that for the Label layout and not the BuzzBomb itself. I can see why you were dissapointed though. Remember, just because a particular layout has the biggest backend doesn't mean it will translate into the biggest backend for you! Let us know how your Buzzbomb works with the new hole, and the new one if you put an different layout on it. Good Luck.

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Steven

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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 01:33:30 PM »
A few things need to be clarified. First, Nicanor's comment:

   
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Even Ritchie posted that he might have been a little too generous with the hook potential numbers that he had rated on the ball. So right out of the horses mouth, the ball didn't live up to the original hype that was touted about the ball.


Now to repost Gazoo's response:

 
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Actually he stated that for the Label layout and not the BuzzBomb itself.  


Gazoo is absolutely correct. All discussion about hook potential was in the context of the 1:30 label leverage drill. And has also been discussed, the 1:30 label leverage is probably not the best pattern for this ball anyway.  

Regardless, the BuzzBOMB is a flat out fun ball to throw, and it's usable between anything medium heavy up to a flood. Lay this ball out according to Lane#1 recommendations and you have probably the most competent heavy oil ball on the market.  

I'm looking forward to how Nicanor's ball reacts for him after modifications.
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Re: BuzzBOMB -- First Impressions
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 03:13:39 PM »
Two things:

First:  The Lane 1 website stated that the hook rating of the Buzzbomb was 120 out of 120 max.  The back end was 80.  So the backend hook was 96 out of 120 on the back end.  I should have been able to drill anyway and still had a considerable amount of hook.  I have trust in Ritchie and Lane 1 nd also realize that not every ball works for everyone, though in most cases thats just a cop-out.  I also throw the Bite and the Buzzbomb should have a similar look in the back end as the Bite I would think.

Second:  Ritchie said that ther is nothing wrong with the way the ball was drilled, pin under the ring finger CG kicked right.  He just stated that the balance hole needed to be moved to give the ball top weight nstead of 3/4 bottom.  Now I am to believe that moving this 3/4 ounce of weight is going to make this ball jump alive and become a hook monster.  I will give it a fair try, honestly.

The only difference that Ritchie did say about the drilling is to move the pin to under the bridge (about 1 inch left) and keep the CG swung right.

Bowling balls I am throwing now are:

The Cell
Anger
Teal Pro Buzzsaw
Bite
Shift
CNV
Wrath Dead Flush
Hornet
Attitude Shift

 
and I should be able to a hook a hook monster like the Buzzbomb to compare to these bowling balls.



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Edited on 3/8/2008 4:17 PM
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