Author Topic: Layout on a Pro Purple (Read 5448 times)

Jeffrevs · « **on:** December 07, 2003, 11:17:38 PM »

4-5 inch pin.....

I'd like this ball to be my control ball,......something that would even everything out when things get squirrely,...smooth, but not weak.....make sense?

Go ahead Sawheads, lay it out for me !

Do I go CG kicked right, label,.....talk to me
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JEFF

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #16 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:35:53 PM »

what I DON'T want to do though is drill the guts out of it...even though it doesn't have MUCH, I don't want to lose that either.....

That's why I'm thinking maybe 4 label, or a 4x4........
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JEFF

rackattack · « **Reply #17 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:41:34 PM »

I agree with T-Go's second suggestion.That is a way out pin you've got there,may as well see if that core is all they say.
Bob
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If you can't join 'em beat 'em.

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:43:23 PM »

quote:
I agree with T-Go's second suggestion.That is a way out pin you've got there,may as well see if that core is all they say.
Bob
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If you can't join 'em beat 'em.

first, or second suggestion ??

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JEFF

charlest · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:39:22 AM »

If the pin-CG is around 4", I'd place the pin just above the level of the ring finger but at 4" from your PAP. I'd place the CG about 4-4.5" from your PAP,a s long as it did not wind up too far below the midline, maybe 1" max. Try to leave a much side and top weight as you can to increase reaction. Put any weight hole below your PAP, in normal place, on line fron grip center thru CG.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:43:58 AM »

quote:
Put any weight hole below your PAP, in normal place, on line fron grip center thru CG.

so just below my pap then?

What about thumb quadrant?
.......pin
...O.O

...cg..X
....O
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JEFF

A_P_K · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:55:31 AM »

Charlest,

Not trying to hijack the thread here...but,

Remember these pins are suuuupppper long, more like 5"+ so in order to keep the CG about or above the center line Jeff will have to put the pin high above the ring finger.

No matter how Jeff lays out the ball there will be a decent amount of thumb weight and any x hole in the thumb quadrant will make it more "rolly".

Maybe a 1:30 would be better after all?

?
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"It is Origin...the pure embodiment of power!"

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

seadrive · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2003, 11:55:50 AM »

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Try to leave a much side and top weight as you can to increase reaction.

charlest, I thought everyone pretty much agreed nowadays that static weights have a negligible effect on ball reaction. Do you disagree, or did I misread what you said?

Jeff, my Pro Purple is a 2-3" pin, laid out approx. 2 1/2 x 3 1/2. It's very even-reacting, maybe a little too so. Since the PP is by nature a control ball, you probably shouldn't give it a control drilling, if you still want it to pack some punch. I'd probably go with a label drilling, maybe 4" pin-to-pap, pin above fingers, cg near grip center.

But hey, I suck, so why listen to me?

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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:01:09 PM »

quote:

But hey, I suck, so why listen to me?

I was thinking even 3 3/8 x 5...........and oh, by the way....I suck even more !

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JEFF

charlest · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:22:22 PM »

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quote:
Try to leave a much side and top weight as you can to increase reaction.

charlest, I thought everyone pretty much agreed nowadays that static weights have a negligible effect on ball reaction. Do you disagree, or did I misread what you said?]

They still, in my opinion, have a negligible contribution to the overall dynamics. All I would try, by asking that they be taken into consideration in this case, to do is to add whatever degree of snappiness they can add to this ball. This ball is so even that the relatively large pin-CG distance forces some unusual position of the CG and the core, making an even ball even more even. Jeff's high track makes the ball more even still.

In 99.99% of all cases I would virtually ignore static weights.
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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

charlest · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:25:25 PM »

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Charlest,

Not trying to hijack the thread here...but,

Remember these pins are suuuupppper long, more like 5"+ so in order to keep the CG about or above the center line Jeff will have to put the pin high above the ring finger.

I did not say,
put the CG abbove the "center line"

quote:

No matter how Jeff lays out the ball there will be a decent amount of thumb weight and any x hole in the thumb quadrant will make it more "rolly".

with a long pin-CG, there's only so much you can do.

quote:

Maybe a 1:30 would be better after all??
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don't like that for him and this ball and this pin-Cg, but the decision is his to make.
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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

charlest · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:26:48 PM »

quote:
quote:
Put any weight hole below your PAP, in normal place, on line fron grip center thru CG.

so just below my pap then?

What about thumb quadrant?
.......pin
...O.O

...cg..X
....O
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JEFF

one should normally put the wt hole, on line from center of grip thru the CG to the desired distance. How far below the PAP it winds up is yours and the driller's decision.

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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

A_P_K · « **Reply #27 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:34:29 PM »

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I'd place the CG about 4-4.5" from your PAP,a s long as it did not wind up ->too far below the midline, maybe 1" max<-

The way it is now, the CG is practically parallel to the thumb hole, so even if you raised it two inches to get it under the center line an inch, the pin would be very high above the ring finger.

What would happen then, the ball probably would roll and roll and roll and never really have ANY type of POP Jeff was looking for?

I don't think in this case with this ball and pin out distance there's much of a choice. Like you said you can't really do anything with it and it will be very even just about drilled any way.

That's why I now think that 1:30 could be the best bet, and I guess that's what I wanted to say earlier but I couldn't get it out.
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"It is Origin...the pure embodiment of power!"

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Edited on 12/9/2003 2:44 PM

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #28 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:40:59 PM »

quote:
quote:
I'd place the CG about 4-4.5" from your PAP,a s long as it did not wind up ->too far below the midline, maybe 1" max<-

The way it is now, the CG is practically parallel to the thumb hole, so even if you raised it two inches to get it under the center line an inch, the pin would be very high above the ring finger.

What would happen then, the ball probably would roll and roll and roll and never really have any POP Jeff was looking for?

I don't think in this case with this ball and pin out distance there's much of a choice. Like you said you can't really do anything with it and it will be very even just about drilled any way.

That's why I now think that 1:30 could be the best bet, and I guess that's what I wanted to say earlier but I couldn't get it out.

Charlest, do you agree with the BOLD ??
AND...
(clarification)
I don't expect a big POP, I just don't want it to be a dud either, it's a control ball to begin with, so I want to utilize the little pop it has....
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JEFF

charlest · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:58:27 PM »

quote:
I don't think in this case with this ball and pin out distance there's much of a choice. Like you said you can't really do anything with it and it will be very even just about drilled any way.

That's why I now think that 1:30 could be the best bet, and I guess that's what I wanted to say earlier but I couldn't get it out.
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"It is Origin...the pure embodiment of power!"

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

maybe I should just step out. I don't like 5,6" pins. They are 2nd class balls EXCEPT for a small minority of bowlers.

1:30 is more of a control drill, I'd rather have a 12:00, 12:30, 1:00 drill and I'm not talking clock here, but 75-90 degree maximnum, because this is such an even ball.

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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

Edited on 12/9/2003 2:58 PM

Strider · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:45:03 PM »

Sent you a message Jeff.
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