Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 04:51:19 AM
I hope that Columbia would have there act together as far as there coverstocks are concerned because i was not impressed with there stuff in the past....
, I hope that this does not become a bad move on there part as lane 1's balls in my opinion have been superior.--------------------
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 16, 2006, 12:54:14 PM
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MY ARSENAL:
Dyno-Thane Threshold
Lane Masters Terminator
Brunswick Radical Inferno
Columbia 300 Blue Beast (Urethane)
Dyno-Thane Crisis Pearl (Coming Soon)
Columbia 300 Riccochet Rebound (Coming Soon)
Post by: CG_Matters on August 16, 2006, 01:06:12 PM
Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:06:38 PM
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:09:33 PM
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 16, 2006, 01:16:36 PM
quote:
My concerns would be Production and availability, If they are doing Columbia, Track and Morich now, Adding another line to a production scale that is backlogged is just going to create more havoc and longer lead times and releases for the Balls
Don't forget about AMF
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MY ARSENAL:
Dyno-Thane Threshold
Lane Masters Terminator
Brunswick Radical Inferno
Columbia 300 Blue Beast (Urethane)
Dyno-Thane Crisis Pearl (Coming Soon)
Columbia 300 Riccochet Rebound (Coming Soon)
Post by: CG_Matters on August 16, 2006, 01:19:04 PM
Post by: BrunsNick on August 16, 2006, 01:21:36 PM
quote:quote:
My concerns would be Production and availability, If they are doing Columbia, Track and Morich now, Adding another line to a production scale that is backlogged is just going to create more havoc and longer lead times and releases for the Balls
Don't forget about AMF
And Circle and some Storm low-end balls. Soon to be Roto low end stuff too.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 16, 2006, 01:22:33 PM
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MY ARSENAL:
Dyno-Thane Threshold
Lane Masters Terminator
Brunswick Radical Inferno
Columbia 300 Blue Beast (Urethane)
Dyno-Thane Crisis Pearl (Coming Soon)
Columbia 300 Riccochet Rebound (Coming Soon)
Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:23:44 PM
All brunswick balls by the end of the year will be coming from Mexico, As of now, They are still maufacturing some of the lines in the us plant until the 4th qtr.
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:27:10 PM
quote:quote:quote:
My concerns would be Production and availability, If they are doing Columbia, Track and Morich now, Adding another line to a production scale that is backlogged is just going to create more havoc and longer lead times and releases for the Balls
Don't forget about AMF
And Circle and some Storm low-end balls. Soon to be Roto low end stuff too.
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-06
http://www.BrunsNick.com
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Yes Nick, I left a couple out, But that only adds to the Production woes unless they have a major expansion but that all takes time in the meantimes it could be a bumpy transistion.
It will be interesting to see what core/cover matchups they come up with.
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Edited on 8/16/2006 1:23 PM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 16, 2006, 01:28:47 PM
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MY ARSENAL:
Dyno-Thane Threshold
Lane Masters Terminator
Brunswick Radical Inferno
Columbia 300 Blue Beast (Urethane)
Dyno-Thane Crisis Pearl (Coming Soon)
Columbia 300 Riccochet Rebound (Coming Soon)
Post by: BrunsNick on August 16, 2006, 01:34:06 PM
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¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: The Ratpack on August 16, 2006, 01:35:13 PM
If I remember right, didn't Dynothane leave Storm a while ago and also go to Columbia, looks like there's going to be some overtime at C300 soon.
Post by: CoachJim on August 16, 2006, 01:40:14 PM
My point is that if I buy a new Tsunami to replace my old one, I want a Tsunami and not a modified m80 coverstock ball that reacts totally different than what I was expecting not that it will not be a good ball, just that I don't want to pay for x and get y.
If Lane #1 brings thier own coverstock formulas and quality control with them, then I don't care who makes them.
Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:44:32 PM
quote:
I don't have any problems with this except that if they move to another manufacturer and still sell the same equipment that is currently available and they change the coverstock and don't tell anyone and sell them as if it is still the same ball.
My point is that if I buy a new Tsunami to replace my old one, I want a Tsunami and not a modified m80 coverstock ball that reacts totally different than what I was expecting not that it will not be a good ball, just that I don't want to pay for x and get y.
If Lane #1 brings thier own coverstock formulas and quality control with them, then I don't care who makes them.
Jim, The problem is lane 1 can't bring there own coverstocks they did not have them, They were bruns covers or combos thereof, So i believe it will be columbia coverstocks or who evers unless they have RND'd there own.
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on August 16, 2006, 01:49:47 PM
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 01:55:02 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on August 16, 2006, 03:03:54 PM
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
quote:
its .060
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Post by: Bjaardker on August 16, 2006, 04:03:06 PM
It would be a major victory if one of the deciding factors behind this is Brunswick moving their facilities to Mexico.
I know that I would probably be buying one of my first C300 covered balls since my Game Pearl, just to show support for Lane #1.
Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 04:34:24 PM
I know the only reason why I tried Lane #1 was because of the unique core/cover combinations, and the use of brunswick covers.
H2O and Enriched Uranium that I own are a unique reactions in their own categories, that brunswick does not have in their lineup.
Loyalist alone wont keep this ship afloat.
Good luck Lane #1, you're going to need it.
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Post by: Mustang Guy on August 16, 2006, 04:41:31 PM
I think this is where all the confusion keeps coming from during the past 6-8 months. We (storm) are using a part of their facility that has not been used recently. They have since re-opened this and and are using our materials.
Thanks,
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Post by: Sawuser on August 16, 2006, 04:49:48 PM
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 16, 2006, 05:12:30 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 05:14:07 PM
quote:
who cares where it's made or who makes it?
Do I hear a car salesman in there somewhere?
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 16, 2006, 05:22:23 PM
quote:quote:
who cares where it's made or who makes it?
Do I hear a car salesman in there somewhere?
Guilty as charged, MegaMav.
Lumina's, Grand Prix's, Cutlass Supreme's, Regal's, certain full-sized trucks, Escorts, Fusions, Focus, are among the MULTITUDE of vehicles built outside the confines of the USA. In fact, there's a US content percentage sticker on each new vehicle sold in the states. Those who choose to abandon Big B based solely on their choice to relocate assembly plants are hypocrites. Don't believe me? Take a look at each and every label of each garment of clothing that you own. Chances are, a fair percentage come from outside the friendly confines.
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Post by: Rileybowler on August 16, 2006, 05:35:36 PM
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Carl
Post by: Rileybowler on August 16, 2006, 05:42:09 PM
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Carl
Post by: CoachJim on August 16, 2006, 05:55:28 PM
Post by: Wolfstrike on August 16, 2006, 06:15:34 PM
Post by: J_Mac on August 16, 2006, 07:22:22 PM
What I'm really trying to point out is that L#1 could no longer produce any ball with the SCB core under the grandfathered differential rule.
On the other hand, are balls with that much differential going to be disallowed after a certain point in time, or are they grandfathered forever?
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Post by: Saw Mill on August 16, 2006, 07:57:58 PM
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Post by: joe 26 on August 16, 2006, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: Saw Mill on August 16, 2006, 08:20:29 PM
Dave
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Romans 1:15&16; "So much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation, to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to Greek!
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 08:22:50 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on August 16, 2006, 08:30:26 PM
I would anticipate Lane 1 to attempt to duplicate the reaction they are getting from the current line balls. Take the Tsunami core and have the techs at C-300 formulate a coverstock that gives the closest reaction possible to what they have now.
I have not been a fan of Columbia coverstocks since the original Purple Resin Beast.
I could see 3 possible scenarios for the switch: again these are potential reasons...I have no confirmation as to the potential truth of this rumor.
1. Lane 1 could possibly want to stay made in the USA.
2. Brunswick could possibly charge more per ball due to the "advanced technology" in their new plant.
3. Lane 1 could potentially not be happy with an increased wait time on the ball production and replenishment.
We all know the Brunswick coverstocks and Lane 1 cores are a great match up. There has to be some HUGE reason behind a switch if it's happening....
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Owego, NY
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 08:45:30 PM
Don't everybody find it kind of odd that all the ball mfg have came out with there balls for the upcoming season and lane 1 has been kind of laying back with anything new, other then the Solid Cobalt
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Post by: Jesse James on August 16, 2006, 08:48:05 PM
..........and have already crossed off Big B, just for outsourcing there plant and leaving the country! Ya gotta have some principles somewhere!
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Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 08:51:03 PM
thinking up new core/cover combos that other manufacturers wouldnt come close to.
now with the move i think they will shuffle back into the pack of Dynothane/Mo-Rich/Insite/RotoGrip/Visionary
the elite custom company now has to be Legends & Lane Masters.
i have not tried their product, but have heard many great things.
Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 08:51:15 PM
quote:quote:
Doug, Those are all good points, And i would think cost has to be a major factor, Lets face it exporting materials cost more money then importing materials, One thing i do know for sure, It is definatly not Ebonite and it won't be Brunswick a formal anouncement is forthcoming.
Don't everybody find it kind of odd that all the ball mfg have came out with there balls for the upcoming season and lane 1 has been kind of laying back with anything new, other then the Solid Cobalt
That's because the Solid Cobalt is the last ball Brunswick is contracted to make.
I fully understand that, But they are missing out on the New Ball sales that are generated at the beginning of the fall season when most people will buy new equipment. So my thinking is they are already behind the 8 ball for the upcoming season.
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 08:58:10 PM
quote:
I considered Lane #1 as the top "custom" bowling manufacturer up until now.
thinking up new core/cover combos that other manufacturers wouldnt come close to.
now with the move i think they will shuffle back into the pack of Dynothane/Mo-Rich/Insite/RotoGrip/Visionary
the elite custom company now has to be Legends & Lane Masters.
i have not tried their product, but have heard many great things.
Mav, Lane Masters does have some decent equipment as i have one of there balls, But they need to produce more with a lot less overlap, If you look at a lot of there balls they are all pretty similar to each other with subtle differences between them so ball reactions would be a lot alike, Elite seems to have that same issue.
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Post by: Retroman on August 16, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 16, 2006, 09:21:24 PM
PROS
-Manufacture in USA is a good thing. This doesn't sway my decisions on any purchases, however.
-We might get a chance to experience a new line of balls with varying reactions from what we have seen the last several years. It is interesting simply from a curiosity standpoint.
-Overhead MAY be cheaper. Hopefully that savings would be passed on to the consumers.
-POSSIBLY an opportunity to silence some of the Lane #1 haters, if the new equipment does in fact perform as well or better.
CONS
-I hate Columbia covers. I hate the mixing and the distinctively C300 pattern. I haven't seen one that really appealed to me since the Original Beast Pearl that I still own. I think Doug Sterner also said this. To be fair, I haven't thrown a C300 cover in a while with the exception of a Track Machine. Not terribly impressed.
-We may not be able to duplicate the reaction or the matchup of cover/core with another company. That would be a shame because that matchup is what brought me to Lane #1.
-Potential QC problems that have made C300 infamous.
Right now the only stuff I throw other than Lane #1 is Brunswick stuff. I have dabbled a little in some Ebonite (the One) and Track (Machine), and now I am experimenting with LaneMasters, MoRich and Hammer (just got a few new balls).
All I can say is I know I can trust Brunswick-based equipment, and I can't say the same for the other stuff I own. I am not sure that I want to spend a small fortune to take a chance on something I don't totally trust, even if it does have my beloved Diamond core. For me it is about that beautiful matchup of Activator-based covers and Lane #1's cores. Don't really want to rely on anything else; even the older Lane #1's (non-Activator based) are not as appealing to me. I give big B full credit for supplying the BEST covers on the market, and love that they are wrapped around my Buzzsaws.
I am sure that many people feel the same as I do about replacing an arsenal over time with covers they may not be familiar with or trust as much. An arsenal does cost big bucks, and if I am going to spend my money, I want to have that predictability and familiarity that comes with the big B covers.
Given that, I will likely at least try a C300-covered Buzzsaw, but if I don't like it, I may have to go all Big B. Lane #1 has earned my loyalty and they have it as long as the product matches up to me, but if their product no longer matches up because of this change, I will be forced to switch allegiance. I have had great success with Brunswick equipment, and have not with C300.
All this being said, I am open to the possibility, however unlikely it may seem, that the new cover/core matchup will be GREAT, and that possibility is exciting to me. It will open the door to a whole new line of great equipment, and in this case I can continue to support Lane #1 as the great company they are.
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Post by: DP3 on August 16, 2006, 09:48:45 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on August 16, 2006, 09:54:27 PM
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I am glad though that they are staying in the US of A. I am sure with all the covers Columbia makes (between Track, AMF, and Themselves), that they will find those that will match up extremely well.
Personaly, I would love to see some of the Track coverstocks on Lane 1 balls.
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Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on August 16, 2006, 11:47:15 PM
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I bet the price does not change much, But the taste thats stays in my mouth and it is a bad 1 is the 30 game Death of the TEC covers and the cracking, weeping coverstock of the epoxy resin EPX, We have not had to tolerate any bad batches of balls, But i am very skeptical that columbia will be able provide us with a superior product like what we have now, As far as i am concerned, The confidece for me is not there.
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I have a problem with your post.... TEC was columbia's first attempt at a particle coverstock, thus a new technology. The EPX was a new coverstock, thus a new technology. There is a history of some problems with new technology, rhino pro's cores seperating, paradigms cracking, etc. With time, all problems were worked out, and will continue to be. ALL major companies have made resin bowling balls for well over 10 years now, as problems come along for ALL companies, they are corrected, otherwise big b, columbia, ebonite, storm, etc wouldn't still be in business.
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Post by: kidbowl on August 16, 2006, 11:55:55 PM
Post by: Retroman on August 17, 2006, 07:01:07 AM
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I bet the price does not change much, But the taste thats stays in my mouth and it is a bad 1 is the 30 game Death of the TEC covers and the cracking, weeping coverstock of the epoxy resin EPX, We have not had to tolerate any bad batches of balls, But i am very skeptical that columbia will be able provide us with a superior product like what we have now, As far as i am concerned, The confidece for me is not there.
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I have a problem with your post.... TEC was columbia's first attempt at a particle coverstock, thus a new technology. The EPX was a new coverstock, thus a new technology. There is a history of some problems with new technology, rhino pro's cores seperating, paradigms cracking, etc. With time, all problems were worked out, and will continue to be. ALL major companies have made resin bowling balls for well over 10 years now, as problems come along for ALL companies, they are corrected, otherwise big b, columbia, ebonite, storm, etc wouldn't still be in business.
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Track Amateur Staff
I don't know why you would have a problem with it, The Epoxy cover was suppose to be the next generation resin above reactive with 7 yrs of R&D behind it, 7 years and this is what they ended up with? c'mon, every company has had some problems but i would have to say this was probably one of the biggest flops in the industry, I would need to see a little more consistency out of Columbia to change my thinking.
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Post by: triggerman on August 17, 2006, 07:30:37 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on August 17, 2006, 08:32:45 AM
But I also wonder about the reasons for it. Maybe Big B does not have the production ressources anymore in the new plant. I'd also like top know if there are MoRich issues, too (with the funny thing that they come from Columbia coverstocks a couple of years ago)?
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How much does everyone *KNOW*???
Nothing. So treat it that way.
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Post by: golfnutFL on August 17, 2006, 09:19:15 AM
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Post by: Retroman on August 17, 2006, 10:06:37 AM
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Maybe Lane #1 is going to start pouring their own covers?
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Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
I hope that is the case, I would welcome that, It has been talked about and I think would be a much better scenario then using somebody elses covers other then Brunswick
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on August 17, 2006, 12:36:40 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on August 17, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
what if all this speculation and the rumor that was leaked came from some other company (like say, Brunswick) to attempt to get people to stop buying Lane 1 and start buying their equipment instead?
Was there any huge uproar when Mo switched over to Brunswick from Columbia?
Does anyone think Richie is that inept so as not to have learned from Mo's switch?
Also what about Dynothane and now RotoGrip? Rumors have been circulating about them switching from Storm poured balls.
One more thought to ponder...don;t you all think that the other ball companies are out to try to get Lane 1's business? Could Columbia, Storm and Ebonite have poured some test balls and word got out about the ones from Columbia?
Just a thought....
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Post by: Retroman on August 17, 2006, 02:22:05 PM
quote:
Just a thought.....
what if all this speculation and the rumor that was leaked came from some other company (like say, Brunswick) to attempt to get people to stop buying Lane 1 and start buying their equipment instead?
Was there any huge uproar when Mo switched over to Brunswick from Columbia?
Does anyone think Richie is that inept so as not to have learned from Mo's switch?
Also what about Dynothane and now RotoGrip? Rumors have been circulating about them switching from Storm poured balls.
One more thought to ponder...don;t you all think that the other ball companies are out to try to get Lane 1's business? Could Columbia, Storm and Ebonite have poured some test balls and word got out about the ones from Columbia?
Just a thought....
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Doug, It could be, But i spoke with a "Source" and there is going to be an anouncement soon, How soon i don't know but the source shot down that they were switching to ebonite but could not confirm or deny staying with brunswick, So you know they are gone, But assured me that we would only be getting a top quality product as we have in the past, So have to read between the lines.
My point is, They are missing out on the new ball sales for the upcoming year, As you know all to well, Bowlers are into the begining season buying frenzy right now because most or all mfg have come out with there fall lineup.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on August 17, 2006, 04:15:47 PM
Also I am seeing a lot more people waiting until leagues start so they can see what they are up against and what they need. Our house is notorious for changing things over the summer and bowlers want to wait and see what the shot is going to be like before investing.
I think Lane 1 and Visionary and Legends/Lanemaster do it right.....a new ball every 6 weeks or so is the right thing to do. Mass releases just get too confusing.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 17, 2006, 04:40:02 PM
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Post by: CoachJim on August 19, 2006, 02:23:23 AM
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The Columbia Balls of Old were perhaps the best on the market at that time. In the mid 90's. What happened?
Various issues:
1. "Bad Batches" that weren't pulled off the shelves even months after the "Bad Batch announcement was made.
2. Customer service issues when trying to return "Bad Batch" equipment.
3. Getting a replacement of a "Bad Batch" Ball with another "Bad Batch" ball.
4. They never really ventured into the High tech weight block or mass bias weight block catagory of equipment and when people got currious and tried other company's mass bias balls and got hooked on them and haven't returned to columbia. I know track is basicly a columbia ball with a mass bias core, I am talking strictly c300 brand.
Post by: Retroman on August 28, 2006, 07:45:41 PM
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Post by: chitown on August 29, 2006, 10:36:05 PM
Post by: triggerman on August 30, 2006, 07:51:52 AM
Post by: Retroman on August 30, 2006, 08:25:12 AM
I don't agree with dissing Brunswick because of the move to Mexico, If quality became an issue that would warrant a change, But before we proclaim that this move was the best thing for Lane 1, Lets wait and see a few consistant runs of new balls with the Colubia covers before we make claims that it will be the best thing that has happened for both companys.
Yes it should be good, Yes both Ritchie and Columbia should benifit by this, But to go beating a drum and making proclaimations before anything is released is just stupid.
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Post by: chitown on August 30, 2006, 08:25:54 AM
First I do understand how the economy works. Next, everything a person buys now is usually made in China. That's part of life right now.
If I have a chance to by a product of the same qaulity and price but one is American made and the other is made in Mexico, i'm taking the American made product every time.
This has nothing to do with my knowledge of our economy. Just because you throw brunswick equipment and there move doesn't bother you don't insult others because it bothered them.
Post by: splendorlex on August 30, 2006, 08:34:16 AM
Your argument about the cars is why it's pointless to be dead set on buying American cars. Heck, Honda and Toyota are giving Americans TONS of jobs making their cars.
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Post by: chitown on August 30, 2006, 08:42:34 AM
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Besides, a big difference with Brunswick is they MOVED to Mexico. They had a plant here, but when deciding where to build a new, state of the art plant, they decided on Mexico. Now, I don't personally have a problem with that, but it is different.
Your argument about the cars is why it's pointless to be dead set on buying American cars. Heck, Honda and Toyota are giving Americans TONS of jobs making their cars.
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If you don't like Wrigley, you might as well leave the country and join the Taliban.
Very understandable. That's why I said everything you buy is made elsewhere. No doubt. Even american made cars have parts made overseas. That's the way our economy has become.
Now if I have a chance to buy the same product from two company's but one is made in the U.S.A. and the other in Mexico or overseas i'm choosen the American made one.
Now that's my opinion and I was not telling anyone else why they should buy or not buy something. I just don't appreciate being insulted by twoheadedboy about my view on that.
Post by: chitown on August 31, 2006, 12:39:30 AM
Twoheadedboy your remarks above are just plain rediculous. It seems to me that you will go to bat from Brunswick because your a fan of there equipment.
Since we can buy bowling balls of the same qaulity as Brunswicks from company's that make them in the U.S.A. why would you not buy the American made product?
Don't even tell me it's because Brunswick balls are better than the rest. That would be total BS.
Post by: Bjaardker on August 31, 2006, 03:17:41 PM
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as a competitor, if Brunswick equipment works well for you, it's ridiculous to stop using it because they moved their plant to Mexico.
That is until you realize that bowling is a sport or a game, but American workers & their livlihoods is no game.
I've shown in many different threads that Brunswick's Bowling Equipment division has made good profits over the years & was in no danger of having that change. Instead of bolstering the American economy, they decided to "maximize profits" and move an American legend to Mexico.
Enjoy using their product, have fun, but to close a shop that has been open for over 100 years just to make a few more bucks shows a major lack of integrity IMHO.
For you to criticize someone for holding the manufacturers they patronize to a certain standard is asinine.
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on August 31, 2006, 03:42:39 PM
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Post by: chitown on August 31, 2006, 11:17:17 PM
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as a competitor, if Brunswick equipment works well for you, it's ridiculous to stop using it because they moved their plant to Mexico.
That is until you realize that bowling is a sport or a game, but American workers & their livlihoods is no game.
I've shown in many different threads that Brunswick's Bowling Equipment division has made good profits over the years & was in no danger of having that change. Instead of bolstering the American economy, they decided to "maximize profits" and move an American legend to Mexico.
Enjoy using their product, have fun, but to close a shop that has been open for over 100 years just to make a few more bucks shows a major lack of integrity IMHO.
For you to criticize someone for holding the manufacturers they patronize to a certain standard is asinine.
Edited on 8/31/2006 3:13 PM
You say they were in no danger of losing money in the near future, but how do you know that? How are you more qualified to know what is in Brunswick's best interests as a company than those that make these decisions do? Would it have been "more ok" for them to move the plant if they were losing money? Why should they wait that long to make a move, anyway?
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That's the part you respond to? What about the other things he called you out on? What about his last sentence? It's people like you that that don't give a crap about the american worker.
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Post by: chitown on September 01, 2006, 12:44:43 AM
Your a complete nut bag!
Nice try with your play on words but it doesn't hold water. In your mind if anyone disagrees with your view then it must not be logical. So you throw out these Philosophys to defend your view. This is just a play on words!
Nice try though. I got a great laugh out of your defense. lol
I'm still laughing as I type. Do you have anymore WIKI?
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Post by: triggerman on September 01, 2006, 06:57:31 AM
Post by: chitown on September 01, 2006, 09:07:15 AM
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Good effort on explaining elementary definitions. But they don't mean sh!t. People expect company's to care about the American worker(Who is generally the bowler). Especially when they are financially able to. They chose to not do so. Therefore some Americans choose to not purchase their equipment.
You have no argument here. It is simply a matter of opinion, and if you choose to ignore that, I can only imagine that, you sir, are an idiot.
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Post by: splendorlex on September 01, 2006, 09:24:05 AM
You're giving educated people a bad name. Nice evasion, now how about trying to formulate an argument not based on semantics. Being educated, you should know that you have to forgive people for not being versed in the vagaries of logic.
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Post by: justdale on September 01, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
If you don't like what's happening with Brunswick ( or any other bowling company) but else where. Every company has a multitude of fine equipment, you can find something for just about anyone.
Post by: Bjaardker on September 05, 2006, 01:07:57 PM
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Are there times when a company has to do drastic things to survive, you bet, Brunswick Bowling from what I heard was operating in the Red and needed to so something drastic.
Just wanted to clarify something here.
Brunswick bowling as a whole was operating in the red. HOWEVER, "Brunswick Bowling" includes their Bowling Centers along with their bowling equipment divisions. You're correct, they needed to do something drastic, there was a plan put in place 2 years ago that was closing something like 20% of their bowling centers. According to their yearly report they plan on being in the black with the bowling centers by 2008.
This whole time the Bowling Equipment division has been in the black.
Again...no good reason other than "maximizing profit".
Post by: Bjaardker on September 06, 2006, 09:40:49 AM
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Which is what a publically traded company's obligation is to the shareholders, and should be.
Correction...
Which is what YOU FEEL a publically traded company's obligation is to the shareholders.
Many people who are investors (myself included) are not only concerned with the bottom line of a company, but also with HOW that company gets its bottom line.
If a company is making money for me, I would rather see them keep making a profit here in the US than leave the country just for an extra .15 a share.
BTW, i pointed out in the last thread on this subject, the annual amount saved by Brunswick moving to mexico was about the same amount they pay the top 4 people in the company. Just 4 people's salaries, equal to the amount they saved by destroying hundreds of american worker's lives.
THB I realize you don't agree with me on this. You have made it clear that you feel it's OK for companies to close up shop & move out of the country. That's fine, it's your opinion. I simply choose to hold the countries I patronize to a higher standard.
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Post by: chitown on September 06, 2006, 09:45:02 AM
Brunswick made a choice to move to Mexico. Just like I have a choice to not buy there equipment anymore. I prefer to buy an American made product when ever I can.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on September 06, 2006, 10:01:08 AM
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Post by: a_ak57 on September 06, 2006, 10:47:42 PM
Lengthy Topic: Check
Hijack of said topic: Check
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Hijack in Lane 1 forum NOT to "CG's", "core shape", "transfer of energy", "price", "I can piss further than you", "You're a Flaming Liberal/Redneck Conservative", "No You're the Idiot", "Learn to Spell", "This is the Internet, grammar doesn't matter", "Go kill yourself", "I'm going to put you on ignore", "No really, I'll put you on ignore after I reply to you", "Okay after this time", "Nevermind, I have to know what stupid things you're saying", "Forget this, I'm done talking to close-minded fools", "NO, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DUMB**** I CAN'T STAND YOU OPEN YOUR MIND!!!!!1", "I'm leaving the forum", "Hi I'm an ambiguous brand new user who shares the same thoughts as the poster who left, and conveniently has the same first name".... to Brunswick: Whhaaaaaa??!?!?!??
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Post by: chitown on September 07, 2006, 12:20:13 AM
We have the right to not buy there equipment anymore because of there move. If you don't like that fact then that's just too bad buddy!
I will never buy another Brunswick ball again. I will support the American bowling ball company's.
We should post this debate in the misc. section on this site. Maybe we can get the word out to more people who don't know about Brunswicks move to Mexico.
Edited on 9/7/2006 0:20 AM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 07, 2006, 09:20:23 AM
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That's fine if you want to pick your investments on a socially conscious basis (which you've previously indicated that you're not doing)
When have I ever indicated that I do not choose my investments on a socially conscious basis?
When I said "Many people who are investors (myself included)" I was referring to investors in general, not people who own Brunswick stock. I myself do not own any part of Brunswick, nor would I. I would have dropped their stock a long time ago when they moved their marine division to Reynosa, Mexico. The same with a whole host of other companies. Do you realize how hard it is to find a fund that doesn't have any Walmart shares?
Bottom line is, I was worried that Lane #1 was going to continue to use Brunswick covers. Ritchie heard the outrage of his consumers and made a choice to support the american worker. I look forward to Lane #1's new releases & hope they are a success.
Post by: Retroman on September 07, 2006, 09:40:09 AM
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