Post by: Iketown300 on August 10, 2004, 04:57:42 AM
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Ike Brownfield
Post by: Iketown300 on August 10, 2004, 08:52:56 PM
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Ike Brownfield
Edited on 8/10/2004 8:47 PM
Post by: brimar on August 10, 2004, 09:20:59 PM
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Brian
Post by: Iketown300 on August 10, 2004, 09:34:03 PM
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Ike Brownfield
Post by: the-7-year-itch on August 10, 2004, 11:32:58 PM
I have one drilled the exact same way and I don't get near a much movement in oil as I do with my black rasberry, but on med oil I get quite a bit of movement. For me my nugget moves more than my cherry bomb.
Post by: Iketown300 on August 11, 2004, 12:08:14 AM
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Ike Brownfield
Post by: Iketown300 on August 11, 2004, 12:32:34 AM
any insight on why this is?
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Post by: scottie on August 11, 2004, 03:09:48 AM
YOU ARE MAKING THE ISSUE ABOUT PIN AND MASS BIAS BUT CG PLAYS A PART IN THIS AS ITS THE CENTRE OF GRAVITIY.
IF YOU GET A BALL WHERE THE MB IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE PIN AND CG,AND ITS KICKED OUT,IT WILL GIVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REACTION THAN A BALL THAT HAS THE THREE POINTS IN LINE...MOST SHOPS WOULD RETURN THESE BALLS,BUT ITS A CASE WHERE THE CG BECOMES CRITICAL.
STORM ETC MARK THEIR MB,AND THE POINTS ARE IN LINE---YOU CANNOT SAY THE CG IS NOT IMPORTANT...THATS JUST UNTRUE--ARE YOU SURE YOU JUST DO NOT LIKE LANE ONE-YOU ALWAYS POST NEGATIVE STUFF AND YOU ALWAYS GET CAUGHT OUT...RICHIE AT LANE ONE WHO DESIGNED THESE BALLS MAY ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LAYOUTS,AND WOULD HARDLY NOTE INFO ON A DRILL SHEET THAT WAS WRONG........
Post by: Strider on August 11, 2004, 04:35:23 PM
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Post by: scottie on August 11, 2004, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: T-GOD on August 11, 2004, 09:42:59 PM
Do you even know what weight is..? Where they are..? Do you know what the CG means..? How about the ending CG..? Do you know what static weights are and what they mean..? NO YOU DON'T..!! Because if you did, we wouldn't be having this discussion/argument right now.
Weight is weight, where ever it is or how it's measured. Weight turns into dynamic weight/energy when it's put into motion. Depending on which angle the weight is rotating, the amount of wobble, determines the amount of dynamic energy generated/converted.
If the ending center of gravity is on the top half of the ball, the ball has top weight. If the ending CG is on the bottom half of the ball, it has bottom weight. If the ending CG ends up on the right side of the ball, you have positive side weight, for a righty. If it's on the left, you have negative side weight.
Now, let's say you have 2 Lane #1 balls, or any 2 symmetrical core balls for that matter, drilled stacked leverage. One has 1 oz. top, the other has 1 oz. bottom, both have the same side and finger.
The one with top weight has the ending CG on the top half of the ball, the other has the ending CG on the bottom half of the ball.
THEY WILL NOT ROLL THE SAME..!! PERIOD, END OF STORY..!! There will be a HUGE difference in the ball reaction, especially on the backend. So don't tell me/us that the CG/static weights doesn't matter.
If you put the ending CG in the leverage position/45* (3 3/8") from your PAP, the ball will react differently than if you put the ending center of gravity ON your PAP..!! WHERE THE CG/ENDING CG IS DOES MATTER..!!
Lane #1 teaches this with their Gravity Balance System. IT WORKS..!! Their drill sheets WORK..!! Their balls WORK..!! That's why they're still in business..!!
I suppose a 1 oz. weight on a 40 lb. wheel doesn't matter either, or that you can't feel the effect it has when you're driving down the road..?
Yes Lane #1 balls cost more, but they're worth it. They also teach you things that the other companies don't, won't or can't on top of it.
I guess you're just too cheap to find out/learn something..!! Hopefully you just learned something from me, because it was free, SON..!! =:^D
Edited on 8/11/2004 9:42 PM
Post by: stanski on August 12, 2004, 12:36:27 AM
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Post by: scottie on August 12, 2004, 03:27:53 AM
Post by: scottie on August 12, 2004, 12:34:10 PM
you claim all ball companies have their drill sheets wrong,so again,for the third time,why are you the only one right???
look forward to some personal attack and again avoiding the question.
Post by: Strider on August 12, 2004, 06:24:38 PM
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jabroni-you owe the board an apology for being a twat...historically you try and knock lane 1 with your technical crap,only to back down after hearing professionals shoot you down---
you claim all ball companies have their drill sheets wrong,so again,for the third time,why are you the only one right???
look forward to some personal attack and again avoiding the question.
Excuse me???????
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Post by: brimar on August 12, 2004, 09:32:04 PM
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Go Yanks
Bri
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on August 12, 2004, 09:53:55 PM
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAnd why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!
Post by: scottie on August 13, 2004, 12:10:53 AM
i think jabs, the reason that it turns into personal attack,and i should be a little more mature too,is that you make sweeping statements like" lane 1 drill sheets are useless".i think if you debate the issues with some kind of acceptance that other folk may have some kind of knowledge on ball drillings,it may be a discussion rather than a slamming match.
i think the attitude over the months of "my way is the only way" tends to piss some of us off..thats all....
Post by: T-GOD on August 13, 2004, 09:35:02 AM
The pin is where weight is, because it extends to the top of the core, and that's where a higher dinsity of material is. So, putting the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP is considered "standard/normal" leverage weight.
But, like I stated above, any weight at 3 3/8" from your PAP is considered leverage wieght. The CG, like the pin, extends down through the ball to where the heaviest spot of the ball is. So, the prick mark/CG is like/the same as the pin/locater pin.
CG leverage does exist and it's even better when the ending CG is located at 3 3/8" from your PAP.
Now Jabs, don't be a Jabroni and tell people that CG leverage doesn't exist. I thought you were smarter than that. =:^D
Post by: thirtyclean on August 13, 2004, 10:19:15 AM
a true oil ball, it is a medium ball. If you wanted an
oil ball, and are loyal to Lane #1, The Super Carbide
would be a better choice, or even the Solid Cherry Bomb
(for medium oil). No matter how you drilled the Golden
Nugget, you wont change the characteristics of the
coverstock.
Post by: scottie on August 13, 2004, 12:52:26 PM
thx for the response jabs-i hope you agree now that there is more than one opinion,and we all learn from each other.
if you do not like buzzsaws,DO NOT BUY THEM,its your choice.stay away from lane one posts and give your advice and knowledge to storm or columbia buyers.
Post by: Iketown300 on August 13, 2004, 03:13:59 PM
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Ike Brownfield
Post by: T-GOD on August 13, 2004, 03:39:50 PM
The XXL can hook more on the backend than the Golden Nugget, when you're bowling on drier conditions. This is because the urethane cover will allow the ball to store more energy than a particle cover.
The CG out layout will roll earlier, with a smoother reaction off the dry boards, which may be why it's not as good on carrydown as you're expecting.
I may be wrong here, but that's my take on it. =:^D
Post by: Iketown300 on August 13, 2004, 03:44:01 PM
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Post by: scottie on August 13, 2004, 09:11:17 PM
my nugget goes too long unless the backend is dry.
i have seen other bowlers shoot 300 with the nugget,and they have the layout 5x4.they have less ball speed than i do,but it rolls great for them...i have the same issue with the cranberry.i own every buzzsaw known to man, but i will say you need to match the ball to the conditions to really get the max out the ball.i rarely use the nugget....good bowling...
Post by: pjr300 on August 25, 2004, 06:13:32 PM
I used the ball for the first time today on a THS, synthetic lanes, with the outsides a bit thin, inside wet. As you can see by my profile, I am far from a big boomer. My results are that this ball will hook --- and quite a bit -- once it hits the dry. The backend can be quite huge. In the oil, if playing inside, the ball will skid, and actually skid a bit after leaving the oil, then will turn up a ton depending on how much hand you put to it.
If you stay strictly in the oil, the ball really never gets started. The polished PK17 cover would need scuffing if you want it to hook earlier. I found my original Inferno (factory polished Activator finish, 4x4 layout, no X-hole) would hook much earlier than the GN.... and, on this condition, much less back end. Of course, it could be just burning up, because I get plenty of back end from the Inferno on heavier oil conditions.
All in all, this seems to be a good skid-flip ball with this layout... and surely not an oiler! I generally do not use skip-flip gear, but this ball may just be perfect for this house, where I struggled with too early hook in this house last year as a sub, while less skilled "whip, whirl, and twirl it in the dry" guys scored all night.
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Edited on 8/25/2004 9:30 PM
Post by: Strider on August 25, 2004, 08:34:54 PM
The GN has a particle version of Powerkoil-17. 17 is a little weaker than 18. 17 to me seems more sensitive to the dry. 18 would be stronger/earlier and smoother. I don't what kind or the load of particles on the GN.
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Post by: pjr300 on August 25, 2004, 09:32:45 PM
You are right, it's PK 17 (I knew that but my fingers did not).
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