Author Topic: Super Carbide Bomb... Illegal!! Only 2005 Release for the moment (Read 18402 times)

htotheizzo3561 · « **on:** August 22, 2005, 02:32:15 PM »

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htotheizzo3561 · « **Reply #136 on:** August 26, 2005, 10:14:38 PM »

Even the PBA doesn't list the Polished Super Carbide Bomb as approved.

http://http://www.pba.com/sponsors/Approved_Equipment.asp?ID=16

Now, this could mean that its non-approved like the USBC or they don't recognize it as a new ball since its just a polished version of the SCB
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charlee323 · « **Reply #137 on:** August 27, 2005, 01:39:35 PM »

I think what eventually will happen, is the USBC will put a date out when they have to stop producing anything over the .60 differential; or they will just make everything illegal over the .60 differential. I think the more Lane 1 pushes the bigger the problem will become. Lets face it the USBC wants to make a difference and things keep blowing up in there face. I think Lane 1 should stop producing the SCB and get all the balls grandfathered in and call it a day.

charlest · « **Reply #138 on:** August 27, 2005, 02:25:53 PM »

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KICK THEIR F******G A****ES RICHIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like I gotta yell at the spec. and cert.'s department again. Well atleast im getting to have a nice stressful battle to start this hellish weekend

F.O.S. WE WILL RULE YOU(USBC included)
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Look, I don't really care what they did and I don't care who you are

There is no room on this website for that kind of language. PERIOD. End of Story. So edit it quickly, NOW!

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charlest · « **Reply #139 on:** August 27, 2005, 02:31:13 PM »

Steven wrote:

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If I read the USBC response correctly, the USBC has no intention of certifying the Polished SCB. We can debate the issue until the cows come home, but the USBC appears to have drawn a line in the sand on this one. If they are looking for a graceful way to approve the Polished SCB, they're going about it in a strange way.
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That will open up all kinds of cans of worms, so to speak.

Does he have a sanded SCB that he polished
or is that a polished SCB that he sanded?

Which is illegal and which is not?
Should his games be forfeit (in a USBC sanctioned league) or not?
SHould his team's games be forfeit because he used which ball and
was it illegal or not?

Basically the USBC's ruling, if the polished SCB stays illegal, is un-enforcible because the question and the answer, as to which ball it is, cannot be verified. If everyone just says they have the original sanded version and they polished it personally, the USBC can't say diddly squat and neither can any league official.
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Steven · « **Reply #140 on:** August 27, 2005, 02:55:40 PM »

charlest: You're right -- if the Polished SCB stays illegal, it will be unenforceable. However, I can picture situations where an SCB is used for an honor score, a tournament win, or a league title, and someone is going challenge and start messy proceedings. With the attitude the USBC is displaying, I'm sure they would love to keep shoving this in Lane#1's face.

At this point, I really don't know if I want to keep my Polished SCB. It's a great ball, but I didn't pony up $250 (out the door) to be put in this position. I look forward to seeing my options with Lane#1 next week.

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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #141 on:** August 27, 2005, 03:04:25 PM »

The USBC is doomed....they are and forever will be.

There is no way to save face from a dabacle such as this.

Here is what they should have done if they indeed wanted to limit the diff on a ball:

"Starting with the 2005-2006 season the maximum differential for any and all balls used in USBC competition will be .060. No exception."

I have found in situations where a rule is being changed that the only way to alleviate any and all problems is a hard cut and decisive change. There is no room for any gray area. You have to make it black or white.

Will it upset people? Absolutely but there will be no room for interpretation and no loopholes opened. So therefore the hassle as such will be done.

You cannot give anyone an inch or they will take at least a foot...maybe a mile :-)
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Sawuser · « **Reply #142 on:** August 27, 2005, 08:20:27 PM »

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I think that they should of made the rule that no more balls could be made after that date witht he USBC. Instead of letting lane #1 keep making and selling a ball that seems to be such a problem. That really would of been the only fair way to make it illegal. So those that have it can keep it, those that want it can still buy it say for a year but after that ya can't keep making them and selling them as Lane#1. Personally thats the only fair way I see to make equipment illegal after it has already been legal but now is no longer fair with a new rule.
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clintdaley · « **Reply #143 on:** August 27, 2005, 09:19:11 PM »

Just wanted to drop a line to say I am happy for you guys in getting the original SCB back into good graces. Even though I am 100% for Track, it was not right and you guys did something about it. Kudos to all of you!

Clint
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thegame · « **Reply #144 on:** August 28, 2005, 06:20:49 PM »

Now I read in Bowling This Month that Visionary is coming out with a ball later this fall with a differential of .078. If this ball is allowed in, I think USBC should be completely ashamed of themselves, if they already aren't. I'm beginning to think the polished version isn't coming back into legality but all we can do is continue to let USBC know our outrage and frustration, and hope they come to their senses on this.

clintdaley · « **Reply #145 on:** August 28, 2005, 06:42:54 PM »

thegame-

I thought the same of some of Ebonite's and Hammer's new releases with the high diffs, but I came to find out they had submitted the products for approval and received it before the rule went into effect, but then did not bring the ball into mass production for consumers until they were ready, so thus they new the rule was coming and found a way around it for a few more releases...Visionary may have done the same thing.

Clint
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #146 on:** August 28, 2005, 10:39:58 PM »

If this is the case with the new Visionary, Hammer and Ebonite offerings then I say USBC opened another can of worms.....

Man this is just getting ugly.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #147 on:** August 29, 2005, 07:53:25 PM »

I have been looking thru the catalogs and there are quite a few balls with differentials ABOVE .060. In fact most of the 14# balls with a decent core are over....

Wonder if they will be banned too?
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Sawuser · « **Reply #148 on:** August 29, 2005, 07:57:57 PM »

Doug, Look at the reply I got from USBC today under the USBC topic.
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htotheizzo3561 · « **Reply #149 on:** August 29, 2005, 11:00:35 PM »

I polished up my dull SCB, was able to use it for more then 5 frames. And shot 780 with it!!!
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