Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 02:32:15 PM
http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballNonconforming.aspxhttp://
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:33:58 PM
I really am feeling for you guys right now if this is for real, i know a lot of you really love that ball..
sorry.
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:36:08 PM
This really pi$$es me off, WHAT NEXT!
Thats one less heavy oiler, real sorry guys
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:36:53 PM
They have gone too far now...
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:38:23 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 10:40:43 PM
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and good god, if your going to all of a sudden say you cant use this ball that you have loved for the last year or so, they better have a daM% good reason for it, but as usual thats asking to much from them!
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:41:58 PM
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Does it have anything to do with the specs of the core, like how the Cherry Pearl will now be illegal?
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 10:46:27 PM
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:49:19 PM
I was looking but found NOTHING
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:57:28 PM
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Post by: Sawuser on August 22, 2005, 10:58:33 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 10:59:39 PM
Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 10:59:46 PM
They should have told us...
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 11:03:56 PM
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Wow, I went to the list of USBC approved balls & I could not find the SBC on that list. It can't be the core specs because the BCB & the cherry bomb are the same & they are still on the list. It must be something to do with the cover, maybe the partical load.
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I found Bomb Super Carbide approved Dec. 02. It was line 1276 in excel format.
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 11:11:42 PM
Whats next huh? The GP2? The WMB? The Raging Inferno? EVERY HIGHER LOAD PARTILE BALL WITH A POWERFUL CORE!!!
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 11:13:40 PM
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Post by: Sawuser on August 22, 2005, 11:20:06 PM
I found Bomb Super Carbide approved Dec. 02. It was line 1276 in excel format.
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I must be blind because I went back to the list & could not find the super carbide bomb. The Buzzsaw super carbide is there & the purple pearl, but no SCB.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 11:22:22 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 22, 2005, 11:25:11 PM
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 11:26:18 PM
its still here
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Post by: Luke909 on August 22, 2005, 11:29:36 PM
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Post by: bighook69 on August 22, 2005, 11:48:32 PM
WHY AM I STILL AWAKE!!!
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Post by: mumzie on August 23, 2005, 12:02:28 AM
Makes no sense to me.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 23, 2005, 01:06:12 AM
I feel sorry for the bowler who bought my SCB last season.
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Post by: agroves on August 23, 2005, 01:17:44 AM
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Post by: agroves on August 23, 2005, 01:27:21 AM
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wich link? this one?
http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballNonconforming.aspx
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Cut and paste the CONTENTS of the link...I guess I wasn't clear.
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 23, 2005, 01:27:32 AM
I dunno... Silly Sawboys.
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Post by: burly on August 23, 2005, 03:13:01 AM
but do they explain why they ban these balls on the website.
Post by: Wizard3927 on August 23, 2005, 05:48:37 AM
Mohs' hardness specification - USBC has created a new Mohs' hardness specification of 6.0 for particles in the cover stock of a bowling ball. Bowling ball manufacturers will have 90 days to review and comment on a USBC test procedure. Assuming there are no specific issues with the test procedure, implementation will begin no earlier than Jan. 1, 2006. The intent of this specification is to limit the amount of traction a bowling ball is capable of achieving and to protect the lane surface.
My guess is the Super Carbide Bomb doesn't meet this rule. It has nothing to do with the core.
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Post by: JPRLane1 on August 23, 2005, 07:31:34 AM
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Post by: pgpelton on August 23, 2005, 07:36:26 AM
Just a thought.....
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 08:17:30 AM
As stated before, common logic says it's an issue with the cover causing this, and unfortunately, looks like it will stand for the polished as well. Core was grandfathered in, so no issues there(at least until 2008 or whatever that silly rule was).
It will be interesting to see what merit this has, and what Richie and the boys do now, because I have always felt the Polished SCB was a way to stick it to the USBC since they couldn't make a "new" ball with the SCB core. But that's just my thoughts.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 08:40:08 AM
I don't remember seeing any reference to balls being grandfathered in regarding the hardness test
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Post by: Bjaardker on August 23, 2005, 08:41:08 AM
1) Mr. Buzzsaw was trying to "stick it to" the USBC with using that core again, so they decided to say "we can play hardball" & they put the SCB on the non-approved list.
2) *more likely* Either due to Moh's Hardness scale issues or other surface issues the USBC was going to put the SCB on the banned list. The USBC went to Ritchie & told him this was going to be happening, so he revised the ball enough to fit into the standards the USBC was handing him. This "legalized" version is the Polished SCB. Thus the odd re-release of this relatively old ball. Ritchie made up a story that he was "sticking it to the man" by re-releasing the SCB to save face for the fact they had him over their knee.
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 08:43:38 AM
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There are 2 possibilities:
1) Mr. Buzzsaw was trying to "stick it to" the USBC with using that core again, so they decided to say "we can play hardball" & they put the SCB on the non-approved list.
2) *more likely* Either due to Moh's Hardness scale issues or other surface issues the USBC was going to put the SCB on the banned list. The USBC went to Ritchie & told him this was going to be happening, so he revised the ball enough to fit into the standards the USBC was handing him. This "legalized" version is the Polished SCB. Thus the odd re-release of this relatively old ball. Ritchie made up a story that he was "sticking it to the man" by re-releasing the SCB to save face for the fact they had him over their knee.
#2 kinda makes sense..But if you know the SCB is going to be put on the banned list, why keep selling it. At the same time, unless he changed the cover istelf, I don't see how polishing the ball will make it legal. If he were to change the cover, then it's a different ball, and the core would not be allowed in.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 08:58:21 AM
quote:
There are 2 possibilities:
1) Mr. Buzzsaw was trying to "stick it to" the USBC with using that core again, so they decided to say "we can play hardball" & they put the SCB on the non-approved list.
Let me rephrase that...I think "stick it" was the wrong term. I thin Ritchie had planned to release a particle pearl with the SCB core. When the core becamse illegal, the only way he could use it was to somehow use a ball already released. Hence the SCB. I am not speaking for them, this is just what I think.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 09:00:39 AM
http://lane1bowling.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=632&forum=Have_a_question
To bad that one was never answered, could have shed some light on this.
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Post by: Sawuser on August 23, 2005, 09:36:21 AM
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 09:47:21 AM
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Post by: SlowHand on August 23, 2005, 09:52:11 AM
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 10:01:52 AM
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This is just a guess but it might be that the Polished Super Carbide Bomb is not approved while the Super Carbide Bomb is due to it's approval date. Lane #1 might have assumed the polished version of the ball would automatically be approved because the dull version was. USBC's view might be that because the Polished Super Carbide Bomb is being marketed as a new release and the coverstock is prepared differently at the factory the ball would need to meet the current specifications which it clearly does not due to the Rg differential. It'll be very interesting to see how this develops.......
possible...but on the site, it doesn't say Polished Super Carbide Bomb, just says Super Carbide Bomb. If it is the polished one, that makes a little more sense, but not much.
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Post by: JPRLane1 on August 23, 2005, 10:19:59 AM
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 10:29:07 AM
That being said, if it is indeed the polished that is banned, then Lane 1 seemed to have ventured into an area the USBC didn't expect. This ball is clearly not a re-release. It's not a different cover. All they are doing is polishing some of them after insted of leaving them dull. USBC didn't expect this I think.
Most solid/pearl ball 1-2 punches use different covers. Pulse/Pearl Pulse, Cherry Bomb/Black Cherry Bomb, blue Pirahna C/Jade Piranha C...those are examples of two different balls using the same core. This is not a different ball.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 10:36:26 AM
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If in fact it is the Polished SCB which the USBC meant to ban and they refuse to back off, Lane 1 might have a way around their decision. All they have to do is pull the Polished SCB from their website and then provide the option for anyone wishing to purchase a SCB in the future can request it dull or polished. What would be the difference if you have the ball polished at the factory or your proshop?
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that's all the polished SCB is now anyways. It's basically an option. You want a black or blue Ford Explorer? Same thing.
Difference I think though is Brunswick/Lane 1 can get a better polish on it. I am not sure though.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 10:52:21 AM
"There will be an official press release regarding this ball soon. Thank you.
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Post by: jkiser01 on August 23, 2005, 11:07:32 AM
AS far as if they ban the original scb or the polished, I think they are both going to be banned. They are the same ball, one is just polished..
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Post by: MegaMav on August 23, 2005, 11:16:50 AM
it would be the first step in controlling technology's grip on the sport.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 11:24:39 AM
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I think the USBC is going to play hardball on this one and use the SCB as an example. They have stated numerous times they where going to get tougher on ball specs and most of the ball manufacturers where thinking "yea right".. Well, now I think they have the ball companies attention and thats what they wanted.. This is just the first of the bans with more to come..
AS far as if they ban the original scb or the polished, I think they are both going to be banned. They are the same ball, one is just polished..
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Well if the USBC bans the SCB then their integrity will be even further eroded since their own press release stated any previously approved balls would be grandfathered-in.QuoteThis bowling ball specification, which can be found on page 13 of the Equipment Specification manual on bowl.com, changes the maximum RG Differential from 0.080 inches to 0.060 inches by Feb. 1, 2005.
"In more bowling-friendly terms, bowling ball flare and entry angle will be controlled," said USBC Senior Technician Jim Jaryszak, who is charge of bowling ball testing.
All bowling ball manufacturers have been notified of this change. Previously released balls that have been approved will remain approved (grandfathered in). Any re-release of a previously approved ball will have to be submitted for testing and meet the new specifications.
tricky part there is though does grandfathering apply to the Hardness spec? Let's go back to the original thought that this had something to do with that. If the original SCB fails that test,it would then be illegal. But, I can't see anything that says whether the grandfathering in also works for the hardness specs.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 11:45:20 AM
Looking back at what I wrote, I left something out. Here's what I meant: If in fact the SCB did fail, maybe Lane 1 submitted their test results early, then possibly USBC put it up there now as to try to keep people from buying it knowing it would be banned in 5 months. That's possible. Again, if the grandfathering clause does not apply to Hardness specs.
Likely? Probably not. Because if that was the case, then the polished would also have to be banned and that is not listed.
Something is VERY weird here. Hopefully we'll find out ASAP, because right now, all we have are ideas. We've got everything from the hardness of the original, to the polished being a new ball. It is very peculiar that it was all of a sudden placed on the ban list when the polished is being released.
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Post by: Steven on August 23, 2005, 11:47:39 AM
Given everything going on with the USBC, I had a queasy feeling about buying the new SCB. But the "What's Next" link on the Lane#1 site clearly says the ball is approved by the USBC, so I went ahead because I was in need of a new heavy oil ball. And the Polished SCB is sweet.
We'll have to see how this all falls out over the next few days. I trust that if the Polished SCB turns out to be USBC illegal, then Lane#1 will take care of those of us who made early purchases.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 11:53:13 AM
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I fail to see where the USBC makes the distinction where the SCB/Polished SCB are any different. Currently as the USBC has it, all SCB's are illegal, even the one that I used last year that was legal at the time.
This needs to get straightend out, quickly.
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that's the problem, right now none of us knows if this refers to the the original or polished, or both.
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Post by: MegaMav on August 23, 2005, 11:59:16 AM
how do we know that the PSCB is exactly the same as the SCB?
maybe thats what the USBC is saying.
what stops another company from slapping the same name on a ball and have it be different?
sounds outlandish i know, but look at the proposals that were around last month for CG and X-Holes...
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 12:00:34 PM
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Ga1tor,
Looking back at what I wrote, I left something out. Here's what I meant: If in fact the SCB did fail, maybe Lane 1 submitted their test results early, then possibly USBC put it up there now as to try to keep people from buying it knowing it would be banned in 5 months. That's possible. Again, if the grandfathering clause does not apply to Hardness specs.
Likely? Probably not. Because if that was the case, then the polished would also have to be banned and that is not listed.
Something is VERY weird here. Hopefully we'll find out ASAP, because right now, all we have are ideas. We've got everything from the hardness of the original, to the polished being a new ball. It is very peculiar that it was all of a sudden placed on the ban list when the polished is being released.
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Chazman819...I understand what you're saying. If Lane 1 did submit their test results early with the results placing it out of the range of the Moh's hardness test the USBC could have had a statment saying the SCB would no longer be an approved ball effective Jan 1, 2006. And I agree there is something very wierd going on.
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but that would have been to easy to put that note in there
even that wouldn't explain the fact that there is no mention of the polished
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 12:01:57 PM
quote:
what stops another company from slapping the same name on a ball and have it be different?
That's the thing, it's NOT different.
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Post by: Steven on August 23, 2005, 12:28:04 PM
There is just something fundamentally wrong here. I can't imagine Lane#1 re-releasing the SCB without the expressed approval of the USBC. There is too much cost involved given the risks of a premature release.
Regardless, I will not be a happy camper if the final answer turns out to be "tough luck, use the ball for practice". I can't imagine that Lane#1 will take that stand. My experience so far is that the company sets the industry standard for customer service. I expect the same here.
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Anyone make contact with the powers that be at Lane #1 or the USBC?
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 01:05:18 PM
quote:
This makes it sound like it's the same ball as the SCB since the 15lb SCB also has a .071 differential. The SCB was the ball that was actually approved, not the Polished SCB. So if Lane 1 is saying the Polished SCB is the only 15lb ball approved by the USBC with a .071 diff, what are they trying to say about the SCB?
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I think...that the original SCB is going to be discontinued shortly...I think. That may be why the ad says that. Because it will be. I remember there was discussion about the SCB being discontinued shortly.
Whether or not that is the reasaon, I am not sure.
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There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
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Edited on 8/23/2005 12:58 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 23, 2005, 01:08:35 PM
I do think it is stupid just single out this ball and not all of the .071 core balls, it must be a hardness thing or particle load spec problem. I have stood on this ball with polish on high speed and it still comes out dull, it sucks the polish into the pores. Only ball not polish up easy i have ever owned so maybe the porous surface is the real problem with being too soft, my ball tracks up after just a game or two.
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 01:11:22 PM
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In regular league how many people will ever check on you ???? In mine people dont know plastic from reactive, hardly any even in the scratch league. So tournaments are out but i doubt any catches me ever in regular league, i hardly ever brought the ball because how much real heavy oil does most of us see???
I do think it is stupid just single out this ball and not all of the .071 core balls, it must be a hardness thing or particle load spec problem. I have stood on this ball with polish on high speed and it still comes out dull, it sucks the polish into the pores. Only ball not polish up easy i have ever owned so maybe the porous surface is the real problem with being too soft, my ball tracks up after just a game or two.
from my understanding, this would apply to sanctioned leagues as well. What happens if you disregard the rule, and use the SCB and throw an honor score with it? You guessed it, no award for you.
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There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
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Post by: drillwizard on August 23, 2005, 01:19:22 PM
Post by: shelley on August 23, 2005, 01:23:35 PM
For one, the RG and differential could be measured on a randomly chosen ball (i.e., not one provided by the manufacturer). If Lane 1 were to submit one ball for approval but put a different core in the mass-produced version without telling anyone, a spot check would bear that out.
Further, someone could cut the ball open and discover that the core is or is not as advertised. Admittedly, with a Lane 1 ball, it'd be an expensive proposition, but it could be done nonetheless.
And I think that any company dishonest enough to do something like that wouldn't be in business for a long time. It'd be nothing for the USBS to deny any new balls that they submitted. That'd kill their business pretty effectively.
SH
Post by: Let It Bleed on August 23, 2005, 02:21:02 PM
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Post by: thfonz98 on August 23, 2005, 02:27:11 PM
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Moh's hardness in effect?
I dunno... Silly Sawboys.
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Post by: billwv68 on August 23, 2005, 02:30:35 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 02:36:59 PM
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hey guys it could be because of the particle load in the ball. not sure but if i remeber right there was specs that came out on that in the rules not too long ago. worth checking into
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doesn't look like im in kansas anymore toto
Maybe right, but I recall the Morich Colossus Supreme also has a huge particle load. Plus what about the high load particles of today.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on August 23, 2005, 02:43:55 PM
THEY WON'T LET YOU USE THE LANEHAWK WHISKEY BOTTLES BALL!!!! Does anyone know why?
Also, I kinda find it funny, but an older guy in the men's league I bowled last year used one of those Brunswick Web balls...not that I'd turn him in or anything...he's a really nice guy, just think that it's a funny random ball to have on there.
Does anyone know why ANY of these balls are on the list?
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 02:47:35 PM
The Quasar and Electric Zoom because they light up and can be recharged by removing part of it. The web and MJ ball because of surface conditons, lines too deep and yellow webbing is and overlay.
THE MAIN QUESTION REMAINS, WHY THE SUPER CARBIDE BOMB!
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Post by: thfonz98 on August 23, 2005, 02:47:48 PM
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Post by: roguetwo on August 23, 2005, 02:59:28 PM
Post by: shelley on August 23, 2005, 03:02:41 PM
quote:
web ball falls apart in pieces(the way the ball is poured)...and the whiskey bottles is the metal caps)..the web ball was used in a pba telecast that was shown on espn classic about a week ago.
The Web ball wasn't actually used that I saw. I think it belonged to Chris Barnes but he never had cause to use it (I think he used his strike ball for picking up spares). It sucked, because I really wanted to see it roll.
SH
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:17:17 PM
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:20:39 PM
quote:
Remember I'm not a Lane 1 guy so i'm not up on the releases.
From this thread it made it sound like the Polished SCB is new ball, is that correct? Selling a dull one and a polished one makes them different which makes the polished one a new ball, correct? And that would mean the new one would be illegal.
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yes and know...it is a differnet ball per say....but the ball is the same. It's the same cover, just polished. Nothing was changed in the cover, it is the same cover used on the original SCB.
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There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 03:22:27 PM
quote:
Remember I'm not a Lane 1 guy so i'm not up on the releases.
From this thread it made it sound like the Polished SCB is new ball, is that correct? Selling a dull one and a polished one makes them different which makes the polished one a new ball, correct? And that would mean the new one would be illegal.
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Right, but The polished SCB is being marketed as the highest differential USBC allowed ball.
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Post by: Koabzilla on August 23, 2005, 03:28:30 PM
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Post by: rc1216 on August 23, 2005, 03:31:40 PM
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
quote:
I'm new to all this USBC thing. Anyways, If you have the SCB and have it polished than that would make it, the same as the PSCB. Do you think, maybe it's the reason to ban both, because they won't approve the PSCB?
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
if they don't want to approve the PSCB, that's fine. But, that is NOT a reason they can ban the original.
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There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 23, 2005, 03:34:06 PM
Post by: thfonz98 on August 23, 2005, 03:35:52 PM
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:36:07 PM
quote:quote:
Its because it is. Its a Grandfathered ball that they decided to deliever in a different out of box state. Would you consider an Absolute inferno that came in a 320 grit finish out of the box, a totally different ball than an Absolute Inferno that comes from the factory at 2000 grit??
If brunswick released a Absolute Inferno at 320 dull, and one at 2000polished, and kept them both in there lineup, and started advertising the dull one the way they would a new ball, then yes I would consider is a new ball.
Didn't columbia do this with the Throttle series, release one dull then the same ball with a different name but polished?
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it's all about how you look at I guess. You view them as two different balls. I look at them as one ball with the ability to choose if I would rather have it polished or dull.
Let's say Ford releases a new mustang. Only one color. Later, Ford comes out with a new color. Everything else the same. Same body, engine, etc....is that a totally different car?
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:37:15 PM
quote:
was the scb coverstock used on any brunswick balls...and what about the regular super carbide?
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regular super carbide used the carbide particla formula, but the SCB is "enhanced CPF" no idea what the difference is
as far as any brunswick balls, I am not sure.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 03:38:48 PM
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:42:14 PM
quote:
Go even further, the Inferno and Ultimate Inferno or the Uranium and Uranium Solid. Same ball, just different cover and color.
someone will have to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in both those cases you mentioned, the covers are in fact different. Solid Activator is different than the original pearl Activator. I believe the formula is slightly different.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 03:42:24 PM
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Called the USBC was a pleasant "chat"
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Post by: rc1216 on August 23, 2005, 03:43:33 PM
quote:quote:
I'm new to all this USBC thing. Anyways, If you have the SCB and have it polished than that would make it, the same as the PSCB. Do you think, maybe it's the reason to ban both, because they won't approve the PSCB?
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
if they don't want to approve the PSCB, that's fine. But, that is NOT a reason they can ban the original.
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There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw
But like some of you say, If the SCB has the same specs as the PSCB, and USBC does not want to approve the ball. Maybe banning both is their solution for preventing SCB owners from polishing it up.
But on the other hand, SCB that's been approved but having a polished version, shouldn't that ball be approved also? Beening the same ball, just polished.
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:44:52 PM
quote:quote:quote:
I'm new to all this USBC thing. Anyways, If you have the SCB and have it polished than that would make it, the same as the PSCB. Do you think, maybe it's the reason to ban both, because they won't approve the PSCB?
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
if they don't want to approve the PSCB, that's fine. But, that is NOT a reason they can ban the original.
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The Dark Jedi Code
There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw
But like some of you say, If the SCB has the same specs as the PSCB, and USBC does not want to approve the ball. Maybe banning both is their solution for preventing SCB owners from polishing it up.
But on the other hand, SCB that's been approved but having a polished version, shouldn't that ball be approved also? Beening the same ball, just polished.
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It Doesn't Matter!!!
that would basically say that you can never polish a bowling ball.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 23, 2005, 03:46:45 PM
quote:QuoteQuoteQuote
that would basically say that you can never polish a bowling ball.
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Post by: proshopbowl on August 23, 2005, 03:46:47 PM
Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:48:33 PM
quote:quote:QuoteQuoteQuote
that would basically say that you can never polish a bowling ball.
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wouldn't shock me...not long after I said that the non-conforming list made no disctinction if this meant the original, polished, or both; did the polished show up on that site.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:52:25 PM
quote:
By polishing the ball it would change the COF(Friction) which would require it to be USBC approved. Don't see how they can say a ball that was legal isn't legal now though. It should be an interesting story. I don't think that banning extra holes got this much chat so fast.
polishing or sanding a ball wouldn't require USBC approval. All it says is that the whole thing would have to be sanded or polished. Nothing about testing again. That would be ridiculous.
Oh wait...we are dealing with the USBC.
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Post by: Chazman819 on August 23, 2005, 03:54:55 PM
quote:
Cant say chat here, filter would piss me off with teh language. Lets just say throuhg the yelling and screaming their is gonnna be apress release about it shortly.
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Post by: Sawuser on August 23, 2005, 03:55:35 PM
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[/quote]The 15# SCB is the highest dif at .071, I believe the 14# xxcel &xxxcel have a .075 dif.
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Post by: Billy Ray on August 23, 2005, 03:56:15 PM
If this turns out to be truly Banned!
I hope so because my customers are going to be pi$$ed off they spent so much money on a ball that they can't use in leagues!
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on August 23, 2005, 04:01:51 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on August 23, 2005, 04:03:56 PM
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Post by: hawkeye4life on August 23, 2005, 05:28:32 PM
Post by: thfonz98 on August 23, 2005, 05:28:50 PM
quote:
the reason that the Lane#1 SCB have been deemed nonconforming is because they have an RG Differential of.071. The maximum allowable RG Diff is .060. The USBC just recently changed that limit, that is why those balls are on the list. I can only imagine that is why the resy of the reactive and particle balls are on that list, as for the plastic balls, do I have to tell you why they are on there?
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Post by: BOWLGNUT on August 23, 2005, 06:48:01 PM
Post by: novawagonmaster on August 23, 2005, 09:03:09 PM
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Post by: Koabzilla on August 23, 2005, 09:10:15 PM
WELCOME ABOARD!
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Post by: Bjaardker on August 23, 2005, 09:51:16 PM
Both the 2002 AND the 2005 releases are on there now.
Along with the Power Rock, and the Arc Platinum.
I'm still betting it's the particles.
Post by: No Open Tenths on August 23, 2005, 10:12:49 PM
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Post by: Bjaardker on August 24, 2005, 12:27:20 AM
The regular Reaction Arc only had a .045 diff. That falls well within the .060 limits.
Post by: thfonz98 on August 24, 2005, 12:33:32 AM
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Post by: Bjaardker on August 24, 2005, 01:24:00 AM
I guess If Mike Savoia talked to Ritchie it must be true though.
Time will tell.
Post by: Billy Ray on August 24, 2005, 06:29:06 AM
There is no attention to details.
There is no direction based on facts at the National level. (aka the weight hole/cg rule attempt)
There is only the desire to make money.
We should be allowed to buy stock in the USBC and vote out the directors just like a large corporation. But we know that will never happen. Maybe if their jobs relied on their job performance like the rest of us they would pay more attention to what the hell they were doing?
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 25, 2005, 07:16:59 PM
Post by: TappedAgain on August 25, 2005, 09:37:04 PM
Dear Cedron: FYI - please see the posted press release on this issue - attached as well. We apologize for the delay in sending out a response, but we were waiting for additional information from the manufacturer.
Best regards,
Neil Stremmel
USBC Technical Director
neil.stremmel@bowl.com
414/423-3385
414/421-5860 (fax)
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August 25, 2005
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Patrick Brettingen
USBC Communications
(800) 514-BOWL, ext. 3244
patrick.brettingen@bowl.com
On the Web: bowl.com
USBC REINSTATES LANE #1 BOWLING BALL TO
APPROVED LIST
GREENDALE, Wis. - The United States Bowling Congress has returned to
its list of approved equipment the Super Carbide Bomb bowling ball with a
sanded cover manufactured by the Lane #1 company.
USBC originally approved the ball in 2002, but last week removed it
from its list of equipment approved for certified USBC competition after
issues emerged surrounding the release of a different version of the
same ball.
"We have been working with Lane #1 during the last week to resolve
several issues relating to this bowling ball," said USBC Technical Director
Neil Stremmel. "Since we have now worked out the concerns, we have
returned the original version of the Super Carbide Bomb to the list of
approved bowling balls so that bowlers can once again enjoy this product in
all USBC competition."
A version of the Super Carbide Bomb with a polished cover that was
recently released remains on USBC's list of non-conforming bowling balls
that cannot be used in USBC-certified competition. The polished ball was
advertised as USBC-approved but was never submitted to USBC for
testing.
USBC Specifications and Certification
The USBC Specifications and Certification testing facility, opened in
1977, is an eight-lane center in a climate-controlled building where
team members regulate and standardize bowling equipment by concentrating
on pin and product testing, research work, bowling center certifications
and lane dressing inspections. The staff provides lane-conditioning
support for a variety of tournaments and Sport Bowling events. The
Specifications and Certification team consists of engineers, technicians and
support staff.
Since the mid-1980s, Specifications and Certification has been the only
facility recognized to approve products for international competition
such as the World Tenpin Bowling Association and the Federation
Internationale des Quilleurs.
United States Bowling Congress
The United States Bowling Congress, as the national governing body,
ensures the integrity and protects the future of the sport, provides
programs and services and enhances the bowling experience.
USBC officially launched Jan. 1, 2005, as an organization serving more
than three million adult and youth bowlers in the United States. It
resulted from the merger of the American Bowling Congress, Women's
International Bowling Congress, Young American Bowling Alliance and USA
Bowling.
Bowl with US
Edited on 8/25/2005 9:29 PM
Post by: charlest on August 25, 2005, 09:39:53 PM
Enough BS. Wait and see what Lane#1 learns. They will tell you publicly, I am sure.
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Post by: proshopbowl on August 26, 2005, 12:13:52 AM
http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=10840&f=1
Post by: thegame on August 26, 2005, 01:06:51 AM
Mr Quintana, please see the posted press release on this issue - attached as
well. We apologize for the delay in sending out a response, but we were waiting
for additional information from the manufacturer. If I understand, you recently
purchased a polished Super Carbide Bomb. While it may have come in a box marked
approved, it was never sent in to us to verify it meets current specifications.
We continue to do our best to insure that the equipment released to the bowling
public is approved for use for all certified competition, however in some cases
cooperation and/or understandings are not enough to verify this will happen. I
believe Lane #1 will be issuing a stance on this issue and inform their
customers of their plans to fix, replace or otherwise deal with these new balls.
The polished Super Carbide Bomb will remain on the non-conforming list and will
not be allowed in certified competition. I hope this at least clarifies the
situation for you. Thank you for your continued support.
Best regards,
Neil Stremmel
USBC Technical Director
Sounds as if USBC is trying to indicate this one was on Lane 1 for not submitting the ball for testing. I agree this is getting quite old, and very frustrating for the customers. Lane 1's response to this will be very interesting, and as I believe them to be a quality company, I'm sure they will take every step to resolve it in the best way possible for their customers. Here's to hoping this gets resolved quickly and efficently.....if that's even possible anymore, lol.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on August 26, 2005, 08:09:40 AM
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I have recently purchased and drilled the polished version of this ball, and am already quite frustrated as I won't be able to use this this coming weekend in my sweepers in Vegas.
Just strip the polish off no one will know the difference in the two releases unless they have the serial number ranges. Or if anyone asks, just tell them you polished it yourself.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on August 26, 2005, 10:37:28 AM
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spite......
"Obey Your Thirst"
Oh you said "spite" my bad.
Post by: Steven on August 26, 2005, 11:40:23 AM
If I read the USBC response correctly, the USBC has no intention of certifying the Polished SCB. We can debate the issue until the cows come home, but the USBC appears to have drawn a line in the sand on this one. If they are looking for a graceful way to approve the Polished SCB, they're going about it in a strange way.
Anyway, I too bought mine for upcoming competitions where the ball, as of now, is not legal. I took some ribbing when I threw it the other night, and I don't want a cloud remaining over the Polished SCB's status. I hope that Lane#1 will address 'next steps' quickly.
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 26, 2005, 01:46:55 PM
Brunswick Serials are coded I believe, it is impossible to figure out what year they were made.
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Post by: Ragnar on August 26, 2005, 01:50:09 PM
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"Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum,
minutus carborata descendum pantorum."
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 26, 2005, 01:52:26 PM
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Post by: Steven on August 26, 2005, 02:12:11 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 26, 2005, 10:14:38 PM
http://http://www.pba.com/sponsors/Approved_Equipment.asp?ID=16
Now, this could mean that its non-approved like the USBC or they don't recognize it as a new ball since its just a polished version of the SCB
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Post by: charlee323 on August 27, 2005, 01:39:35 PM
Post by: charlest on August 27, 2005, 02:25:53 PM
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KICK THEIR F******G A****ES RICHIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like I gotta yell at the spec. and cert.'s department again. Well atleast im getting to have a nice stressful battle to start this hellish weekend
F.O.S. WE WILL RULE YOU(USBC included)
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The Army of the Already Dead,
We Are The F.O.S."
F.O.S. WE WILL RULE YOU\m/
Edited on 8/26/2005 6:40 PM
Look, I don't really care what they did and I don't care who you are
There is no room on this website for that kind of language. PERIOD. End of Story. So edit it quickly, NOW!
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Bowling: Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, you only have to get close.
Life: Deal with what is.
Edited on 8/27/2005 2:18 PM
Post by: charlest on August 27, 2005, 02:31:13 PM
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If I read the USBC response correctly, the USBC has no intention of certifying the Polished SCB. We can debate the issue until the cows come home, but the USBC appears to have drawn a line in the sand on this one. If they are looking for a graceful way to approve the Polished SCB, they're going about it in a strange way.
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That will open up all kinds of cans of worms, so to speak.
Does he have a sanded SCB that he polished
or is that a polished SCB that he sanded?
Which is illegal and which is not?
Should his games be forfeit (in a USBC sanctioned league) or not?
SHould his team's games be forfeit because he used which ball and
was it illegal or not?
Basically the USBC's ruling, if the polished SCB stays illegal, is un-enforcible because the question and the answer, as to which ball it is, cannot be verified. If everyone just says they have the original sanded version and they polished it personally, the USBC can't say diddly squat and neither can any league official.
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Bowling: Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, you only have to get close.
Life: Deal with what is.
Edited on 8/27/2005 2:24 PM
Post by: Steven on August 27, 2005, 02:55:40 PM
At this point, I really don't know if I want to keep my Polished SCB. It's a great ball, but I didn't pony up $250 (out the door) to be put in this position. I look forward to seeing my options with Lane#1 next week.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on August 27, 2005, 03:04:25 PM
There is no way to save face from a dabacle such as this.
Here is what they should have done if they indeed wanted to limit the diff on a ball:
"Starting with the 2005-2006 season the maximum differential for any and all balls used in USBC competition will be .060. No exception."
I have found in situations where a rule is being changed that the only way to alleviate any and all problems is a hard cut and decisive change. There is no room for any gray area. You have to make it black or white.
Will it upset people? Absolutely but there will be no room for interpretation and no loopholes opened. So therefore the hassle as such will be done.
You cannot give anyone an inch or they will take at least a foot...maybe a mile :-)
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Post by: Sawuser on August 27, 2005, 08:20:27 PM
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I think that they should of made the rule that no more balls could be made after that date witht he USBC. Instead of letting lane #1 keep making and selling a ball that seems to be such a problem. That really would of been the only fair way to make it illegal. So those that have it can keep it, those that want it can still buy it say for a year but after that ya can't keep making them and selling them as Lane#1. Personally thats the only fair way I see to make equipment illegal after it has already been legal but now is no longer fair with a new rule.
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Mycroft, If you do that, you need to include the entire ebonite xcel series of balls as well.
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Post by: clintdaley on August 27, 2005, 09:19:11 PM
Clint
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Post by: thegame on August 28, 2005, 06:20:49 PM
Post by: clintdaley on August 28, 2005, 06:42:54 PM
I thought the same of some of Ebonite's and Hammer's new releases with the high diffs, but I came to find out they had submitted the products for approval and received it before the rule went into effect, but then did not bring the ball into mass production for consumers until they were ready, so thus they new the rule was coming and found a way around it for a few more releases...Visionary may have done the same thing.
Clint
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Lets Go Bowling Daley
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Post by: Doug Sterner on August 28, 2005, 10:39:58 PM
Man this is just getting ugly.
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Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
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www.dougsproshop.net
Although a small elite group, the bond among fellows can never be broken...FOS members rejoice!
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 29, 2005, 07:53:25 PM
Wonder if they will be banned too?
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Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Although a small elite group, the bond among fellows can never be broken...FOS members rejoice!
Post by: Sawuser on August 29, 2005, 07:57:57 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 29, 2005, 11:00:35 PM
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I and a few others hold the record for the highest single game ever in bowling!!!!