Post by: drillwizard on December 16, 2008, 01:48:55 PM
This is the new Lane 1 ball coming out soon, its the Dynamo. My test ball is blank black with no logos at all. I only got to throw the ball about 1 game tonight cause the condition laid out in this league is way dry, I usually have to use my Chainsaw. But I wanted to play with the new toy. Anyways I punched it up 4 3/4 x 4 no weight hole. This tester has roughly a matte finish to it. I cant wait to throw this on some oil in this out of box state.
I could swing this ball and hook it a ton and still carry or take all the hand out if it and play it somewhat in the track area, and it still carried exceptional. I am going to put a high polish on it tomorrow and try it out again and will post back with the results. If I can get this thing to get like glass I think I can put some huge numbers up with it.
I have a feeling this will have a real good chance to take ball of the year honors, with this cover and core combo.
Cant wait to see the final logos and product, in a month or so.
Edited on 12/16/2008 10:49 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on December 16, 2008, 10:15:48 PM
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WOW,Thanks for the info drillwizard!
*any pics of this new GEM?
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DUDE, he said it was black with a silver pin. What good is a pic of a black ball with no logos on it? Just look at an old manhatten rubber ball, that's what it looks like.
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Post by: urbanshaft on December 16, 2008, 10:26:05 PM
richie help the sawheads out and tell us pretty przzz
(and send mikes asap 
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Post by: triggerman on December 16, 2008, 10:44:28 PM
Like I said on BBE, its sort of like a 1969 fastback mustang with a fuel injected 351 and a 6 speed under the hood, old school looks but new school performancce.
Brand new core
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Post by: drillwizard on December 16, 2008, 11:03:59 PM
Post by: Strider on December 17, 2008, 06:17:09 AM
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I have a feeling this will have a real good chance to take ball of the year honors, with this cover and core combo.
Talking about potential ball of the year honors and the core/cover combination after throwing ONE game on the wrong condition with way too much surface??? No need to give the Lane #1 haters any ammunition or anything.
http://www.bowl.com/Downloads/pdf/approved_ball_list/new_ball_list.pdf
Hopefully you weren't using it on a sanctioned league since the Dynamo doesn't appear on the approved ball list yet.
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Post by: scotts33 on December 17, 2008, 06:43:46 AM
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Hopefully you weren't using it on a sanctioned league since the Dynamo doesn't appear on the approved ball list yet.
Strider,
It may be approved as there are some other approved balls that are not on the list. I think with the move USBC made from Cheeseland to TX they are not keeping up with the list.
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Post by: triggerman on December 17, 2008, 07:29:47 AM
I said in an earlier post that the Agent orange could have been ball of the year with enough marketing or pba behind it I firmly believe that, but that being said and after throwing 3 or more games last night with this new ball, I will say it is even better then the AO in certain aspects,
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Post by: triggerman on December 17, 2008, 07:42:25 AM
quote:quote:
after throwing 3 or more games last night with this new ball, I will say it is even better then the AO in certain aspects
It cures even more diseases??
i went in with a common cold, walked out feeling great
hummm maybe it was the beer? I will have to get back to you on that!!
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 17, 2008, 09:43:02 AM
They only make them in 15 pounds and I throw 14...
Oh Well.
Was at the office Monday and saw the drill sheets. I also saw the actual core about 2 months ago.
Pretty cool concept.
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Post by: urbanshaft on December 17, 2008, 09:54:50 AM
mike doesnt know jack and its killin me ><
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I play by the rules...
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Post by: Juggernaut on December 17, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
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WOW,Thanks for the info drillwizard!
*any pics of this new GEM?
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DUDE, he said it was black with a silver pin. What good is a pic of a black ball with no logos on it? Just look at an old manhatten rubber ball, that's what it looks like.
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No foul, that's why I put the smiley. I asked what good a pic of a black ball with no logo's was, and you explained that it was good to see his drill pattern. That's cool, and my bad for not thinking of it that way.
P.S. What good is seeing his drill pattern if/when your pap is totally different?
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Post by: Storm269 on December 18, 2008, 02:25:10 AM
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Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 05:45:57 AM
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Hey I just ordered the AO and now they coming out with something better ?? Not fair !
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Post by: tekneek on December 18, 2008, 06:26:14 AM
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Post by: KingofKings696 on December 18, 2008, 07:01:40 AM
Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 07:22:20 AM
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When will it end, stronger stronger stronger.. My equipment as is is already too strong half of the time.
believe it or not I feel the same way, BUT these two balls are still vety usable on todays conditions, I have no trouble getting either to work on a med to slightly less then med shot, and they both cover the heavier stuff easily
although they are strong equipment, they are still very managable on the lanes, isnt that what everyone is looking for?
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Post by: Storm269 on December 18, 2008, 07:31:03 AM
quote:quote:
Hey I just ordered the AO and now they coming out with something better ?? Not fair !
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Thanks for the reply....I am trying to build a simple Lane#1 arsenal with 3 balls including the spare which I already have.
The first ball of course will be the AO but I am still undecided whether I should go for the THS or the Buzzbomb/R or SuperNova solid as my second ball...and now there is this new ball coming out but looking at the feedback from all who have the test ball...this ball is definitely no a ball to go below the AO.
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Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 07:38:49 AM
quote:quote:quote:
Hey I just ordered the AO and now they coming out with something better ?? Not fair !
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Thanks for the reply....I am trying to build a simple Lane#1 arsenal with 3 balls including the spare which I already have.
The first ball of course will be the AO but I am still undecided whether I should go for the THS or the Buzzbomb/R or SuperNova solid as my second ball...and now there is this new ball coming out but looking at the feedback from all who have the test ball...this ball is definitely no a ball to go below the AO.
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both the AO and the Dynamo have lots of surface to them, and from what I see both take to changes very easily. my AO is at 4k abralon with no polish, it works great on med to med heavy lanes. the Dynamo appears to be in the 800 grit range with no polish. I will def change one to make this a dynamite 1-2 combo, which one ends up being the lesser ball remains to be seen
as far as your arsenal, you have the spare and the AO, get a decent solid ball to put in there when the pearl AO starts to get squirty
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Post by: Storm269 on December 18, 2008, 08:17:08 AM
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Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 01:29:43 PM
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I have a BuzzBomb,BuzzBomb/R,Agent Orange, and a THS, and the two that see the most use by far are the AO and THS. The AO handles almost everything at 2000grit wetsand, but if the lanes really go away I go directly to my THS(green scotchbrite+Bean's drilled stacked) because it is super smooth and easier to control for me,hope this helps.
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Post by: Storm269 on December 18, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
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Post by: KingofKings696 on December 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
dynamo was too much tonight
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Post by: triggerman on December 18, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
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strider
I said in an earlier post that the Agent orange could have been ball of the year with enough marketing or pba behind it I firmly believe that, but that being said and after throwing 3 or more games last night with this new ball, I will say it is even better then the AO in certain aspects,
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If you truely believe that a ball of the year is based on marketing, then Richie should have won several of them.
IME, the ball of the year is generally one that performs as well as it's marketed by a large number of bowlers. It's not only just a popularity contest.
L#1 over markets all of it's releases and the ball (generally) under performs the hype that's attached to it.
JMHO..
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yahoos like myself do not equate to marketing, for a small niche company these two balls are somethng to behold, once agin IMHO the marketing behind making a ball of the year goes beyond anything I can do on the internet
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Post by: JessN16 on December 19, 2008, 03:00:17 AM
quote:quote:
strider
I said in an earlier post that the Agent orange could have been ball of the year with enough marketing or pba behind it I firmly believe that, but that being said and after throwing 3 or more games last night with this new ball, I will say it is even better then the AO in certain aspects,
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If you truely believe that a ball of the year is based on marketing, then Richie should have won several of them.
IME, the ball of the year is generally one that performs as well as it's marketed by a large number of bowlers. It's not only just a popularity contest.
L#1 over markets all of it's releases and the ball (generally) under performs the hype that's attached to it.
JMHO..
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Sales have nothing to do with what I think of as an "(anything) Of The Year)." If you go by that, then Hershey's makes the Chocolate Bar of the Year every year because they outsell everyone else 20-1. It's like calling the Toyota Camry "Car of the Year" when you've got high-end models from Lexus, Mercedes, Bentley, Bugatti and Maserati available to you.
The Cell, IMO, was ball of the year last year. Biggest reason for me was that it took me about six months after it debuted before I found one person who disliked it. Same thing for Storm's T-Road Solid. Finally the sales started to catch up with the buzz.
As it relates to Lane #1, the Buzzbomb had detractors from day one, even some very loyal fans. But I'm still waiting to find my first Agent Orange hater.
Whether any Lane #1 ball ever has a shot at any kind of award/recognition will depend on two things: 1) Whether there is bias towards sales volume, and 2) whether folks will swallow their pride long enough to try one.
Just a suggestion, I'd get a little more open-minded about the company. I avoided Lane #1 for years because of a couple of bad experiences I had with their stuff in the early 2000s, but came back around to them and now I'm performing better in league than I have in at least 10 years. I still throw other stuff mixed in with my Lane #1 gear.
A lot of the most fervent detractors remind me of guys from back in high school who just liked to be a**es for the hell of it. The other thing I can't figure out is how other companies get a pass for doing basically the same kind of marketing Lane #1 does. There isn't a ball company in the world that won't tell you they don't sell the greatest equipment available, a lot of them make outlandish claims and some of them achieve that performance by producing balls that don't last a month's worth of use. Yet Lane #1 gets hammered for it? That pretty much tells me the person doing the complaining is the one with the real problem.
Jess
Post by: OddBalls on December 19, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
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strider
I said in an earlier post that the Agent orange could have been ball of the year with enough marketing or pba behind it I firmly believe that, but that being said and after throwing 3 or more games last night with this new ball, I will say it is even better then the AO in certain aspects,
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If you truely believe that a ball of the year is based on marketing, then Richie should have won several of them.
IME, the ball of the year is generally one that performs as well as it's marketed by a large number of bowlers. It's not only just a popularity contest.
L#1 over markets all of it's releases and the ball (generally) under performs the hype that's attached to it.
JMHO..
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Sales have nothing to do with what I think of as an "(anything) Of The Year)." If you go by that, then Hershey's makes the Chocolate Bar of the Year every year because they outsell everyone else 20-1. It's like calling the Toyota Camry "Car of the Year" when you've got high-end models from Lexus, Mercedes, Bentley, Bugatti and Maserati available to you.
The Cell, IMO, was ball of the year last year. Biggest reason for me was that it took me about six months after it debuted before I found one person who disliked it. Same thing for Storm's T-Road Solid. Finally the sales started to catch up with the buzz.
As it relates to Lane #1, the Buzzbomb had detractors from day one, even some very loyal fans. But I'm still waiting to find my first Agent Orange hater.
Whether any Lane #1 ball ever has a shot at any kind of award/recognition will depend on two things: 1) Whether there is bias towards sales volume, and 2) whether folks will swallow their pride long enough to try one.
Just a suggestion, I'd get a little more open-minded about the company. I avoided Lane #1 for years because of a couple of bad experiences I had with their stuff in the early 2000s, but came back around to them and now I'm performing better in league than I have in at least 10 years. I still throw other stuff mixed in with my Lane #1 gear.
A lot of the most fervent detractors remind me of guys from back in high school who just liked to be a**es for the hell of it. The other thing I can't figure out is how other companies get a pass for doing basically the same kind of marketing Lane #1 does. There isn't a ball company in the world that won't tell you they don't sell the greatest equipment available, a lot of them make outlandish claims and some of them achieve that performance by producing balls that don't last a month's worth of use. Yet Lane #1 gets hammered for it? That pretty much tells me the person doing the complaining is the one with the real problem.
Jess
Ball companys will always hype their stuff. But none of them go waaay over the top like lane 1 does..
Double the hook, double the score..blah..blah..blah..
Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..yada..yada..yada..
More 300 games than any other company..bs..bs...bs...
Diamond core is the best....hype..hype..hype..
Granted, being a niche company that produces bowling balls you need to try and grab an edge somewhere. IMHO, the sub-200 average bowler is the target market for their products with the claims that they make. It's pretty much the same disdain that I have for Elite bowling as well. But at least Elite has two PBA titles under its belt despite the phony claims.
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Post by: T-GOD on December 19, 2008, 01:34:38 PM
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Double the hook, double the score..blah..blah..blah..
Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..yada..yada..yada..
More 300 games than any other company..bs..bs...bs...
Diamond core is the best....hype..hype..hype..
1. Diamond core is the best..? They have a physic study on their website done by an independent research that clearly demonstrates that the diamond core generates at least 20% more energy than any other shape, everything else being equal. That's physics facts proven.
2. More 300 games than any other company..? They say that you get more 300's and 800's PER BALL than any other company. That's not highest toal award scores, but the average per ball is more. More power + more control = more 300's & 800's. Clearly the laws of physics are working here.
3. Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..? If you use the product correctly, and get used to the differences in reaction, as compared to your other equipment, most everyone will increase their average. The more room for improvement, the higher your average will be raised. If you're averaging 230, you probably won't go to 240, maybe 235 though. More power + more control = more strikes = higher scores. Again, that's the laws of physics working.
4. Double your hook, double your score..? They said double your high scores, not double your score. Double your hook, that's debatable and probably a stretch, so we'll give you that one.
These balls ARE really really good. I wouldn't be so negative, especially if you're looking to bowl higher scores more consistently. =:^D
Edited on 12/19/2008 2:35 PM
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 19, 2008, 02:01:09 PM
quote:Comparing the energy "generated" (can you actually generate energy? My college physics is rusty, but I'm pretty sure you can't generate energy) in and of itself between the diamond and other simple geometric shapes (ignoring any other kind of complex core shape) is some pretty crappy science. It doesn't mean anything in regards to predictable, tunable ball motion to get the ball to the pins, it doesn't mean anything to actual pin carry itself (which is reliant on more than just purely energy), etc. You can make statistics say whatever you want, and this is a very blatant case of just that.
1. Diamond core is the best..? They have a physic study on their website done by an independent research that clearly demonstrates that the diamond core generates at least 20% more energy than any other shape, everything else being equal. That's physics facts proven.
quote:Or, smaller sample size results in skewed statistics. I know of only a dozen or so people in my city who regularly use Lane #1 gear and most of them are decently talented bowlers, you will get much different results on a honor-scores-per-ball analysis of these guys compared to the masses throwing Brunswick, Hammer, or Storm gear where you have a boatload of untalented once-a-week bowlers to balance out the legitimately talented tournament bowlers.
2. More 300 games than any other company..? They say that you get more 300's and 800's PER BALL than any other company. That's not highest toal award scores, but the average per ball is more. More power + more control = more 300's & 800's. Clearly the laws of physics are working here.
quote:If you use any product correctly and get used to the difference in reaction from before you're drilling it/throwing it/whatever imporperly, you're going to see an increase in average. That's the law of common freaking sense working.
3. Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..? If you use the product correctly, and get used to the differences in reaction, as compared to your other equipment, most everyone will increase their average. The more room for improvement, the higher your average will be raised. If you're averaging 230, you probably won't go to 240, maybe 235 though. More power + more control = more strikes = higher scores. Again, that's the laws of physics working.
I get the concept of marketing a product to sound better than the competition. However, seeing completely unrealistic applications of "physics," "statistics," and whatnot thrown everywhere is just frustrating, and even more so when it's preached as gospel instead of just marketing jargon.
Post by: JessN16 on December 19, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
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Ball companys will always hype their stuff. But none of them go waaay over the top like lane 1 does..
Double the hook, double the score..blah..blah..blah..
Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..yada..yada..yada..
More 300 games than any other company..bs..bs...bs...
Diamond core is the best....hype..hype..hype..
Granted, being a niche company that produces bowling balls you need to try and grab an edge somewhere. IMHO, the sub-200 average bowler is the target market for their products with the claims that they make. It's pretty much the same disdain that I have for Elite bowling as well. But at least Elite has two PBA titles under its belt despite the phony claims.
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Lane #1 isn't even remotely close to being the only one that does it. Ever seen one of those Brunswick "reaction charts" from about five years ago? They had a ball path traced as being put down on the 35th board, out to the 1 board at roughly 57 feet, then making almost a 90-degree turn and hitting the pocket. If it was physically possible for a ball to hit at the angle they showed, it would have at least taken the 1-2-4-7 off the other six pins and maybe even taken the head pin off the full rack.
Every single forum on this site talks about Ball B being "5 boards stronger" than Ball A. Ball C is "5 boards stronger" than Ball B the next year. We're up to Ball Y on a lot of forums and, yep, it's "5 boards stronger" than Ball X was. So if you line Ball A up to Ball Y, I guess Ball Y is doing a 180 at the 35-foot mark now and coming back into the pit.
I personally don't care how Lane #1 markets. I don't believe anyone's marketing. Marketing is the science of using fresh BS to sell your product, and making people believe it smells like a rose.
What I care about is if it works for my game. It can come from AMF, Storm or Lane #1, I do not care. Right now, I'm having the most consistent success with Lane #1, so that's what I'm buying most of. It would be stupid not to.
And one last thing: The principal difference between Lane #1 and Elite, up to this point, has been that Elite recycled cores and covers and then charged more for the privilege. At least Lane #1 has its own core designs. Sure, they share covers with AMF/900Global, but Ebonite and Columbia share covers, too, as does Brunswick and MoRich. As far as Elite's Black Label or newer equipment, I don't know if the recycling is still going on -- and that's what makes their pricing so offensive. I can at least understand more expensive pricing from Lane #1 because (a) it is a niche company and (b) they are doing some engineering on cores. But I drill my own stuff and buy balls from wholesalers/alternative sources, so I don't get exposed to the premium price for Lane #1.
Jess
Post by: drillwizard on December 20, 2008, 08:31:08 AM
195-299-195 model of consistency
in league sanctioned by the way
Edited on 12/22/2008 8:53 AM
Post by: BeansProShop on December 20, 2008, 08:52:30 AM
Best way to describe the core
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Post by: urbanshaft on December 20, 2008, 08:58:22 AM
what are the stats ><
Post by: urbanshaft on December 20, 2008, 11:46:54 AM
im totaly gona steal mikes phone and text richie to find out
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Post by: drillwizard on December 22, 2008, 08:12:12 AM
lanes
AMF wood THS 42 ft. Unfortunately the area in which I bowl in has no oil. I would have to drive at least 30 minutes to try this ball on real oil. So THS will have to do.
The "super rare" LOL, test ball came with a dull surface, and I took the Sauce and glassed it up didnt change the cover at all.
For me I need polish and alot. I shined it to glass. The ball was awesome now for the shot I was bowling on. Had some good push, still revved up hard, and the backend was extremely strong. This will be a great ball for the weak handed, out of the box. The drilling was pin under bridge and cg kicked out just a bit. You want the magic ball this is it. This new core moves the pins around very well. It has midlane read, revs easy off the hand, but still has great length and backend(when mirrored out to look like glass).
Cant wait to throw the one with actual logos on it.
There will be some huge scores with this ball in no time now that they are released to the public.
Why do they send me test balls for over 10 years now? Why dont you call 1 800 526 3661 ask for Chuck, and maybe if Rich is there go ahead and ask him. They will tell you. Maybe becuase of the way I single handedly got their stuff to sell locally 10 years ago when no one had ever heard of Lane 1, or maybe because my sales that total over 1 million from my pro shop. Maybe Because I steer customers into their stuff when I could do that with any other brand, but I choose them. Maybe its becuase of all the good times we have had together as friends. Thanks again for the extravagant gift this year once again Rich/Chuck you guys are the best. There are probably hundreds more reasons why they send me test balls, but thats all that came to mind right now. But since you were so interested go ahead and give them a call.
Thought of another one-
The MAP pricing- maybe its because Im one of the only ones left abiding by their pricing agreement, and not advertising for you guys to send me offers or send me trade offers, which all violate Richies MAP agrement.
Edited on 12/22/2008 9:15 AM
Post by: tizzle on December 22, 2008, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: triggerman on December 22, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
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Post by: OddBalls on December 22, 2008, 10:32:13 AM
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Why can't we be friends.. why can't we be friends..?
I guess it's just the way I am, but holy moses batman you guys pick each other apart piece by piece for NO REASON! Do you really, really, honestly care that much about how we here at Lane #1 market our balls, or is it just because we CHOOSE to make some great ads some being conversial, but hey, we got you to look didn't we? I mean I just can't understand it.. I guess I just look at it as a bowling ball ad, not as a way to attack the company for making something that made me look twice.
I guess I Just sometimes wish a little bit that people could find better things to do with their lives than sit here ripping us apart for coming out with fun and interesting ways of marketing.
Just my $.02, thanks for reading!
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When you say "interesting", do you mean flat out lying or just exagerating claims of a miracle core and ball?
No doubt, Lane#1 makes a quality product. However, it marketing (IMHO) is meant to deceive your customers into believing it's something that it's not or will preform in a manner and it won't.
Yes, all ball companies will tout their latest releases, but none will market them to the point of ridiculous claims being made such as lane one chooses to do.
JMHO..
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Post by: Den Olano on December 22, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
Here is marketing from Hammer. Seems pretty ridiculous to me. This took all of 1 minute to find. I am sure there is plenty more out there.
When you play with fire, you’re bound to be burned and there’s nothing safe about Hammer’s new Raw Hammer Acid. Designed to be dangerous from the inside out, Raw Hammer Acid will scar you for life.
Post by: BeansProShop on December 22, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
???
After testing a wide range of cores (both new and old designs) with the new XLerator coverstock, the core that gave the absolute best reaction was the Torsion Asymmetric Core. This core/coverstock combo make the Twisted Fury Destruction rev up hard and hug the lane without hooking early. The medium RG asymmetric design of the core then turns loose the power of the coverstock on the back-end, unleashing destructive force on the pins.
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 22, 2008, 10:54:23 AM
And I still do not find a problem with anyones marketing...
Description: New in Ebonite''''s High Performance category will be the NVD. The NVD will be the strongest ball in overall ball motion to date. In order to accomplish this strong ball performance, Ebonite modified the cover slightly by adding more friction enhancing capabilities and changed the core design to offer a lower RG with a higher mass bias rating.
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Post by: OddBalls on December 22, 2008, 10:55:09 AM
I see them touting a new cover (as all will do) but no claims of miracles here
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Post by: Den Olano on December 22, 2008, 11:01:24 AM
Post by: triggerman on December 22, 2008, 11:09:38 AM
http://www.bowlingballexchange.com/showthread.php?t=28765
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Post by: chatnboy on December 22, 2008, 01:32:40 PM
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Post by: chatnboy on December 22, 2008, 01:41:47 PM
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 22, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
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1. Diamond core is the best..? They have a physic study on their website done by an independent research that clearly demonstrates that the diamond core generates at least 20% more energy than any other shape, everything else being equal. That's physics facts proven.
2. More 300 games than any other company..? They say that you get more 300's and 800's PER BALL than any other company. That's not highest toal award scores, but the average per ball is more. More power + more control = more 300's & 800's. Clearly the laws of physics are working here.
3. Improve your scores by 10 pins or more..? If you use the product correctly, and get used to the differences in reaction, as compared to your other equipment, most everyone will increase their average. The more room for improvement, the higher your average will be raised. If you're averaging 230, you probably won't go to 240, maybe 235 though. More power + more control = more strikes = higher scores. Again, that's the laws of physics working.
4. Double your hook, double your score..? They said double your high scores, not double your score. Double your hook, that's debatable and probably a stretch, so we'll give you that one.
These balls ARE really really good. I wouldn't be so negative, especially if you're looking to bowl higher scores more consistently. =:^D
That study is accurate from a physics standpoint, but it's applicability to pin carry is utterly bogus. Don't make me dredge up that thread from a year or so ago where I illustrated this.
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 22, 2008, 03:10:40 PM
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Here is another. I know of 5 balls that will out hook and perform this ball.
And I still do not find a problem with anyones marketing...
Description: New in Ebonite''''s High Performance category will be the NVD. The NVD will be the strongest ball in overall ball motion to date. In order to accomplish this strong ball performance, Ebonite modified the cover slightly by adding more friction enhancing capabilities and changed the core design to offer a lower RG with a higher mass bias rating.
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The NVD will be the strongest ball in overall ball motion to date
According to who??
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 22, 2008, 03:15:25 PM
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BuzzJen....it's a guy thing....i dont think you would understand!!!but big props to you for standing behind your product!!!i must say that out of all the people i seen throwing lane1 equipment...ive never seen them balls thrown bad!!!good equipment...but too much money for me...
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Our prices are every bit competetive with every other top line ball price.
I pay more for the High End Storm balls right now than any Lane#1 ball.
This may have been true in the past but those times are over.
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Post by: WOWZERS on December 22, 2008, 06:29:34 PM
WOWZERS!
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 22, 2008, 07:24:37 PM
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I never known any ball companies to claim that they can increase scores by 10 pins or better.
Inverted, I had an Agent Orange drilled up today and threw 4 games with it after getting it drilled and averaged not 10 pins over my average, but 30 pins over my average for the 4 games. I shot 182-201-205-225 for a 203 average vs my league average of 173.
And....my normal line is playing on the edge of the oil line which is in the 10 board area and today with the Agent Orange, I was able to move left to the 27 board, throw over 17 out to the 7 board area and the ball came back to the pocket without any problem at all. Normally I stand on 20 and throw down 10. This is the first ball that I have ever been able to move that far left and throw right that much and have the ball get back to the pocket with authority. Double the hook??? I don't know if it was double or not, but it was a "H" of a lot more hook than I normally throw.
Two years ago, I was struggling with a 169 average with Legends/Lanemaster balls. In early December, I dumped them and bought an EU and a Solid Cobalt and raised my average to 186 by the end of the season. That was a 17 pin raise in average which again is more than 10 pins.
I'll admit that a bowler shooting a 225-230 average probably isn't going to raise his average 10 pins switching to Lane 1, but a bowler with averages up to at least 190 can very well raise their average 10 pins if they match up with Lane 1 balls such as I did, so to sum it up, it can very well happen for others as it did for me. Now for people that don't match up to Lane 1 balls, it won't happen just like I didn't match up to Legends/Lanemater balls.
I think what all the advertisements mean is that the potential is there for it to happen. I don't know if the ads say "guaranteed to raise etc." or not as I never pay any attention to the ads. Maybe you should do the same as I do there. Might even help you sleep better also.
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Post by: urbanshaft on December 22, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
http://lane1bowling.com/whatnext/
where does richie come up with this stuff you just gota love it best marketing in the bowling world
Post by: SVstar34 on December 22, 2008, 08:03:07 PM
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its funy you haters are gona flip over the add for the dynamo
http://lane1bowling.com/whatnext/
where does richie come up with this stuff you just gota love it best marketing in the bowling world
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 22, 2008, 10:33:41 PM
I had (2) grossly undersized balls that came to my shop that I tried to send back and "NOTHING" was done about it...
NOTHING!!!!!!
I myself replaced the balls for my customers at a loss to keep the customers happy.
I had a Black Widow Venom that rolled like garbage for a customer and Jeff Ussery had me send the ball back to be checked. They would not replace it with a new 1st quality but offered to replace it with a NIB X-out but did send a few shirts and other nice gifts for my customer. AT LEAST THEY TRIED!!
Chad Murphy at Columbia 300 has always been good to deal with as well as Brian Purcell and Ed Gallagher with Ebonite over the years.
Some companies do go out of their way but I will argue "not as a Lane#1 Staff member" but as a Pro Shop owner. Lane#1 has and will always stand by their products.
So much so that we offered a 100% money back guarantee on any balls drilled at the booth last year. With that said.... We had 1 ball returned.
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Post by: someguyintucson on December 23, 2008, 10:11:26 AM
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The only issue I have had with Lane 1's marketing is the fact the girl in the Chainsaw ad should have been Jen...THEN that would be some great marketing!
WOWZERS!
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Post by: Steven on December 23, 2008, 10:32:56 AM
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In fact, I truly believe that you are the target market for Lane #1. It may certainly be true that you can raise your average with this equipment due to the nature of the ball.
OddInverted1: We've had the discussion several times in the past about Lane#1 claims regarding achieving higher averages with their equipment.
If you use the equipment properly, it's a fact. For many years I averaged consistently in the 220-223 range. I gradually switched to Lane#1 (as I started seeing results) and had two consecutive seasons at 230 and 234. Given that I'm older and frail with all kinds of physical challenges
, it wasn't a question of just 'getting better' or suddenly discovering new improved techniques.Lane#1 offers some of the most even rolling equipment on the market, so how can someone not achieve more consistency in their game if they have sound mechanics and play the lanes properly??
The 'target market' for Lane#1 are any bowlers who want to improve their game. It doesn't matter if you're a 190 or 220 average bowler -- use the tool properly and it will assist you in achieving noticeable improvements.
Post by: OddBalls on December 23, 2008, 10:41:53 AM
How was your weekend?
IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 23, 2008, 10:42:54 AM
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In fact, I truly believe that you are the target market for Lane #1. It may certainly be true that you can raise your average with this equipment due to the nature of the ball.
OddInverted1: We've had the discussion several times in the past about Lane#1 claims regarding achieving higher averages with their equipment.
If you use the equipment properly, it's a fact. For many years I averaged consistently in the 220-223 range. I gradually switched to Lane#1 (as I started seeing results) and had two consecutive seasons at 230 and 234. Given that I'm older and frail with all kinds of physical challenges
Lane#1 offers some of the most even rolling equipment on the market, so how can someone not achieve more consistency in their game if they have sound mechanics and play the lanes properly??
The 'target market' for Lane#1 are any bowlers who want to improve their game. It doesn't matter if you're a 190 or 220 average bowler -- use the tool properly and it will assist you in achieving noticeable improvements.
Are you kidding me? Do you even read what you write?
I'm not trying to knock Lane#1's equipment since I've never thrown it, but this argument is ridiculous. I could pull a 15 pound house ball off the rack, and assuming I "used it properly," I could average 225-230. It doesn't matter what you throw, assuming you line up and throw it "properly," you'll score.
It's not like you're buying a chainsaw to cut down every tree in your yard, and if you don't use it properly, you're gonna drop a birch into Mr. and Mrs. Smith's living room. It's a bowling ball, and the user's manual for Lane#1's equipment is the same as for any other ball: play to the ball's strengths and make quality shots.
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Post by: Steven on December 23, 2008, 11:25:50 AM
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Are you kidding me? Do you even read what you write?
Crusty: Not only do I read what I write, but I actually think about it ahead of time.
I'm primarily Lane#1, but I do throw a variety of equipment. For instance, I will not go to a tournament or any serious competition without my Bite and Rival. They sometimes give me a look that just matches up right. But for equipment that matches a broad range of conditions and provides a consistent even roll, I have Lane#1 in my hand first. The difference is subtle, but it's there all the same.
If you choose not to explore and/or acknowledge it, that's your prerogative. However, it doesn't change the reality of the difference.
Post by: OddBalls on December 23, 2008, 11:35:27 AM
I hijacked the thread...
My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.
Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..
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Post by: chatnboy on December 23, 2008, 12:25:50 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on December 23, 2008, 01:36:07 PM
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Brickguy221 and STEVEN...i read your posts and i'm happy that you have stepped up your games!!!and i'm happy that lane#1 helped you achieved that accomplishment!!!but i beg to differ in this way...i would think that any ball you throw from any ball company should be able to give you outstanding results if you throw it the way you throw your lane#1 equipment.so you are letting us know that if you could throw the nvd or the virtual gravity or the cell or the up-rising or any other high-performance ball....you average would not increase by ten pins or more????is that other equipment that bad that you could not throw it properly enough to boost up your averages....???think about it!!!
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It's not that hard to understand, IMO. I drill my own stuff and go through a lot of equipment in a year, and I've got 12 different companies' stuff represented in my collection.
You could take the labels off and I could tell you the difference between Lane #1 and Storm (my two favorite companies) easily, just by watching reaction, assuming both balls were drilled and surfaced in similar fashion.
I'm matching up a lot better with the Lane #1 gear at the moment, either because of the surface/oil prep I'm bowling on, or the way my game has evolved, as a lot about the way I bowl has changed over the last 2-3 years.
I've picked up about 10 pins of average since switching from Storm to Lane #1 as my primary ball company, and it's due to the way one rolls compared to how the other rolls. Storm stuff tends to have a lot more backend than Lane #1, but I tend to get a better midlane read out of Lane #1 and a more even roll through the pins.
If I'm going to be bowling somewhere that I need my look to move from the midlane more towards the backend, I'll still pack my Paradigms. But if I do that at my home house on my home league, I won't be able to score like I can with my Lane #1 league gear, because I'll be fighting control issues.
I tend to be very honestly critical of anything I throw, good or bad, because I haven't got time for BS. Bomb-core Lane #1 stuff, for instance, gets no love from me. I can make them work under certain conditions, but not enough to justify saving a place in the bag. When something works, I'll defend it adamantly. When it doesn't, out the door it goes.
Jess
Post by: Steven on December 23, 2008, 01:55:23 PM
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My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.
Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..
I know you've always had an issue with Lane#1's marketing approach. I guess I've never really taken issue with it because:
1) As has been pointed out, all ball companies hype their equipment to some comical degree. It's all part of the game to get attention.
2) I honestly believe that most bowlers with IQ's greater than the brain power of pet rocks and Amebas see marketing for what it is (to get attention), and instead try equipment based on real world performance factors.
It's not worth losing sleep over the contents of a Lane#1 poster. They make for some great entertainment, and then you move on. When you dig deeper into their well contrived cover/core combinations and their undeniably superior customer service, the product sells itself.
You can't remain viable with 'smoke and mirrors' over the long haul. Deceptive marketing can work in the short run, but it's the kiss of death to any enterprise over time -- repeat customers disappear. Lane#1 must be doing something right or the operation would have imploded long ago.
Edited on 12/23/2008 7:19 PM
Post by: BeansProShop on December 23, 2008, 04:49:19 PM
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Hi Steven!
How was your weekend?
IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..
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So your saying you used the Fury Pearl wrong or was it drilled wrong??
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Post by: urbanshaft on December 23, 2008, 05:11:14 PM
so now all you guys fighting can stop
and just smile
its a wonderful day today
woooooh
Post by: holland1945 on December 23, 2008, 06:42:58 PM
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My beef was with the marketing practices vs. the reality of it just being a bowling ball.
Granted, some people will match up better with certain equipment. However, the approach that L#1 takes (IMHO)is deceptive at best..
I know you've always had an issue with Lane#1's marketing approach. I guess I've never really taken issue with it because:
1) As has been pointed out, all ball companies hype their equipment to some comical degree. It's all part of the game to get attention.
2) I honestly believe that most bowlers with IQ's greater than the brain power of pet rocks and Amebas see marketing for what it is try equipment based on real world factors.
It's not worth losing sleep over the contents of a Lane#1 poster. They make for some great entertainment, and then you move on. When you dig deeper into their well contrived cover/core combinations and their undeniably superior customer service, the product sells itself.
You can't remain viable with 'smoke and mirrors' over the long haul. Deceptive marketing can work in the short run, but it's the kiss of death to any enterprise over time. Lane#1 must be doing something right or the operation would have imploded long ago.
I don't know how you people can try to claim that Lane #1 marketing is the same as other bowling company's marketing. Of course it's ridiculous that every new release "hooks 5 more boards than the last" or whatever, but here's what other companies don't do:
1. Claim that their equipment ALONE will give you a significant increase in average.
2. Have marketing astroturfers come on to websites and claim that *insert newest release here* will work across almost all conditions and you can stick with it out of box for 100 games if you only move your feet 3 boards.
3. The company's owner makes "snake oil" claims about the superiority of the cores as compared to other companies, even though the same designs have been used for what, 15 years now, with small tweaks?
3a. Part of the myth involves the idea that static weights not only are significant, but that they are THE most significant factor in bowling ball reaction behind surface prep, that's right more important than PIN placement or on asymmetric balls even mass bias.
3a1. The "proof" of this concept comes from a video by the owner of the company who is a 2-fingered "spray n' pray" bowler who doesn't even remotely use the same line on each shot (note - I've heard he's a very accomplished bowler, I'm not going to argue that, all I'm saying is that the video was very poor and in no way proved his point).
Here's the bottom line:
1. Lane #1 makes a fine product, but as realized by the company and the public,
2. This is not enough to succeed, because everyone out there makes a great product, and
3. Bigger companies like Brunswick and Ebonite sell enough volume to stay afloat with lower profit margin, i.e. cheaper MSRP
4. Lane #1 will not lose money on balls even short term to gain market share of an industry that already has too many players vying for a piece of a pie that is not growing.
5. Lane #1's marketing folks have decided to justify that price to the consumer by creating a "cult of personality" around the technology around the balls.
Now I'm not in marketing, but just having been a bowler and around other bowlers and pro shops for almost 20 years, it seems to me that instead of peddling snake oil, Lane #1 should emphasize the things they TRULY do better than everyone else...from all accounts, no other manufacturer has better customer service or a more liberal return policy (afforded to them by making higher margins per ball, no doubt). No one is filling unmet needs in the tournament bowler's arsenal like Lane #1 is with their strong cored urethane and plastic pieces, allowing bowlers to not have to sacrifice hitting power for less hook in late block conditions, nor having to throw white dots to have something cool looking to use on Friday nights with their non-competitive friends or Saturday afternoon at their nephew's birthday party.
Lane #1 should embrace their "boutique" status and LEAD with the niche pieces, not try to take over the world with the next greatest hook monster that in the end is the same old core with a tweaked 900 Global (aka Columbia) cover. Lane #1's regular bowling balls are not any better than anyone else's, this is clearly evident by watching the neutral video reviews that are out there. Make small batches of diamond cored plastic balls, limited edition and such. Come out with a new design each year and stick it on a urethane cover. Put strong diamond cores in weak reactive covers for light oil balls...Brunswick's Avalanche series comes to mind, but who wouldn't buy a ball that was diamond core with Super Flex pearl on it? I'd probably use that first ball out of the bag at old wood houses and 2nd shift elsewhere. Also, own up to the fact that you're not using your own covers...say it's "Super Flex with additive for earlier/later/stronger/tamer reaction". The average layperson doesn't care about core/cover at all, but sophisticated bowlers care about specifics like this...I'm sure this information is available, but I shouldn't have to come to this website or email somebody to find it out, it should be right on the spec sheet.
Don't get rid of the oilers though. Put out "the oiler to end all oilers", a med-low RG solid reactive for med to heavyish oil, and a compound finish med RG pearl reactive for med oil/first ball out of the bag. Market them, but call off the flava flav-style "hype man" and make it more, "hey you like our plastic and urethane and light-oil reactive offerings, by the way you can also get the same kind of reactions on heavier oil with these three balls". Put them on a 3-year cycle so that there's a new one each season.
In summary...trump up your superior customer service, and your pieces that no other company offers (also expand your offerings in this area). Tone down the hyperbole on the high hook pieces. The end.
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Post by: T-GOD on December 23, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
quote:NO, not every ball is as good as the other. All balls are not the same. Not all cores are as good as the next, they're all different, giving you different ball reactions. Every company does make good balls, but they are not equal in performance. =:^D
i would think that any ball you throw from any ball company should be able to give you outstanding results if you throw it the way you throw your lane#1 equipment.so you are letting us know that if you could throw the nvd or the virtual gravity or the cell or the up-rising or any other high-performance ball....you average would not increase by ten pins or more????
Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 23, 2008, 10:57:17 PM
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NO, not every ball is as good as the other. All balls are not the same. Not all cores are as good as the next, they're all different, giving you different ball reactions. Every company does make good balls, but they are not equal in performance. =:^D
I would try to disprove this heap of nonsense, but it's futile. Therefore, all I'll say is this: statements like this are precisely why people think Lane#1 is a joke.
I'm sure they make great equipment. After all, they have a very loyal following, and no one would throw their stuff if it was complete trash. But all the hardcore fans preaching this sort of garbage is *exactly* why Lane#1 is viewed by many as a laughingstock. For anyone who has trouble understanding why people loathe Lane#1, read T-GOD's last post and you'll never wonder again.
I mean, seriously. I throw Brunswick pretty faithfully, but you don't hear me running around saying that their equipment is, bar none, the best on the market. Sure, I match up well with it, but I know a lot of people who don't. And the same applies to Lane#1's equipment.
To all you Lane#1 fans who aren't in-your-face, we're-better-than-everyone militants, let me reiterate I have no beef with the equipment itself. To all of you who feed the propaganda machine and seriously believe that Lane#1's equipment, all logic and good sense notwithstanding, is undoubtedly better than any other company's, all I can do is wonder how any of you function in society without your mothers wiping the dribble away from your lips and tying your shoes for you.
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Post by: T-GOD on December 24, 2008, 07:42:49 AM
I did not say in my previous post than Lane 1 balls were the best or anything of that nature. I was merely pointing out that all balls are different, nothing more, nothing less.
Just because company X puts out a high performance ball, doesn't mean that it's as good as company Y's high end ball. Just because spec numbers may be the same also doesn't mean the balls will react exactly the same.
I am only pointing out that all balls are not as good in performance as the next, for whatever reason, core, coverstock or both. =:^D
Post by: Steven on December 24, 2008, 10:17:01 AM
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I did not say in my previous post than Lane 1 balls were the best or anything of that nature. I was merely pointing out that all balls are different, nothing more, nothing less.
T-GOD said it in the nutshell. When you sift through all the ridiculous accusations of Lane#1 baby eating cults and other baseless claims of fanaticism, the Lane#1 message is that they offer equipment that gives a different look.
The irony is that the vast majority of Lane#1 detractors have never thrown Lane#1, or their experience with the product is so thin that opinions have little footing.
I'm always baffled when someone comes onto the forum and says "I tried Lane#1 and the ball sucked". Huh?? How can anyone with decent fundamentals not match up with a clean rolling diamond core?? I'm not saying that it be their favorite ball, but to claim it's all smoke and mirrors flies in the face of pure logic and says more about the bowler than the ball.
Post by: Roy Munson on December 24, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
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Hi Steven!
How was your weekend?
IF you use ANY ball properly, it will give you the desired results..
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Why do you have balls other than a plastic one ?
You can strike with a plastic ball if you use it properly!
It's usually cheaper.
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...NIB Pearl Cherry C2
...NIB Pink Raspberry
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Post by: OddBalls on December 24, 2008, 11:16:37 AM
But, Steven. It's Lane#1 that does this and all the other cultist fall in line with that believe.
You know and I know it's just a lot of baseless hype.
Have a Merry Chrsitmas..
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 24, 2008, 11:21:39 AM
. . . Merry Xmas, OddBalls, and to everyone here
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 24, 2008, 11:32:33 AM
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It sounds like the only people that seem to continously have an issue with Lane #1, their marketing, or whatever, are the people that take things a little to seriously.
What is worse? The Lane #1 fanatics that you all loathe so much, or those of you who take it all so seriously that you just can't help yourselves when it comes to showing up on a LANE #1 FORUM just to trash Lane #1 and their users?
Another question and I know it's been asked time after time, but never answered. Why do you all have this obsession with coming into a Lane #1 forum just to argue your opinion? If I don't like a show on TV I don't watch it just to get myself all mad. I turn the channel and watch something I do like. You have the same opportunity here.
So what if you personally don't go around heaping praise on your favorite companies and Lane #1 fans do. How does that affect you personally other than irritate you because you don't buy into it?
"To all you Lane#1 fans who aren't in-your-face, we're-better-than-everyone militants, let me reiterate I have no beef with the equipment itself. To all of you who feed the propaganda machine and seriously believe that Lane#1's equipment, all logic and good sense notwithstanding, is undoubtedly better than any other company's, all I can do is wonder how any of you function in society without your mothers wiping the dribble away from your lips and tying your shoes for you."
You are correct, there are two groups within the Lane #1 fan base. But just read this statement I quoted from you. It sounds like nothing more than someone who has nothing better to do than troll around forums looking for something that irritates them so much that they have to go in and rant about their take on it all, lol.
All people are entitled to an opinion. Opinions are just that, opinions. Opinions are neither right nor wrong, just someone's take on a particular topic.
If I didn't know some of those aforementioned in-your-face, we're-better-than-everyone militants in real life, I probably would be more indifferent. But these Lane#1 fanatics are just on another level from hardcore fans of every other company, and not in a good way.
And for the record, who said I was irritated? The only people in this forum who ever get irritated are the Lane#1 gurus that take offense to the slightest bit of negativity directed their way. If these people had a little thicker skin, Lane#1 would just be another company. And since you seem to think I'm a troll, I take it you're one of the hardcore people who preach to anyone who will listen that Lane#1 is the best, period. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gotten all wound up over my post.
I mean, I just love your post. You accuse me of trashing Lane#1 users, yet I only trashed the same people that almost *everyone* in the bowling community finds annoying, which is, I assume, the small minority of Lane#1 users. But thanks to your minimal reading interpretation skills, you assume I'm taking this all too seriously, trashing everyone associated with Lane#1, and trolling.
Anyways, thanks for proving my original point. Well played, sir.
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Post by: Steven on December 24, 2008, 12:29:56 PM
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But, Steven. It's Lane#1 that does this and all the other cultist fall in line with that believe.
You know and I know it's just a lot of baseless hype.
Have a Merry Christmas..
Vince: I'm not sure we'll ever agree on the significance of what you believe to be 'baseless hype'. After years of being a ball whore of proportions only exceeded by you
, I've read it and seen all from each company. Look at the Brunswick Fury debacle. Brunswick hyped the Fury as the ball that would revolutionize future high performance bowling. Instead, we witnessed the one of the biggest flops in ball release history. It's amazing how this was conveniently swept under the rug by the broader Big B community. The point is that 'hype' is part of all the ball company's marketing bag of tricks. We all just need to chill out and take it for what it's worth. Regardless, you have a Merry Christmas too.
Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 24, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
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I feel the same way you do about the over the top fanatics. My point is: I am still amazed that everyone let's it get to them. Especially when they know it's only a certain group of fans that are out of touch with reality anyway. To me, arguing with them about their fanaticism is equivilant to arguing with a 2nd grader about, well just about anything, lol.
"My boys took care of me again and sent me the super rare Dynamo test ball with no logos just plain black on black Johhny Cash style, with a silver pin."
Uh oh, he has to get that "super rare" status in there. Next thing we'll see is this "super rare" test ball on the market for $300 plus, lol.
I'm about as big a Lane #1 fan as there is out there. But I must say that there are quite a few out there, such as yourself, that makes me ashamed to admit it.
"My boys took care of me again", lol. Any pro shop can get on the test ball list, you just happen to be one of the many, so quit acting like you are someone special, lol.
How you get to be a tester with your lack of review skills is beyond me.
Firstly, I have no ill will towards any normal Lane#1 users. But after meeting several of the rabid fanatics over the years, it's just soured me on Lane#1. That being said, there is no shame in admitting you throw Lane#1. If you met me, introduced yourself, and told me you threw Lane#1 without managing to quote 25 physics studies, insist Lane#1 was the best company for every bowler alive, and tell me after every corner pin I left that Lane#1 would have carried that with a dead serious look on your face, I wouldn't really think twice about it. But I agree: arguing with some of these people is futile, since no amount of common sense seems to faze them.
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Post by: Steven on December 26, 2008, 09:54:22 AM
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Can you point to any other ball company that guarantees higher score and an increase in average. Double the hook, double the backend and double your high scores? No? That because they don't.
As far as the higher average claim, as I've outlined to you several times, it proved true for me. Equipment that is true rolling over diverse conditions will tend to do that for you. I know this doesn't meet your paradigm of the bowling landscape, but the reality still holds.
As for the other Lane#1 marketing claims, many are over the edge. But remember, all ball companies make equipment performance claims that are to some degree over the edge. Once you're over the edge, you're over the edge. Splitting hairs over semantics is an exercise in being overly picky.
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Also, if the balls a turd (which the Fury line was for the most part)no one that I know of is going to imply that there's nothing wrong with the ball and it's all operator error because of surface, bottom weight, side weight, cg placement..yada..yada...yada.
au contraire.....when I questioned the performance of my Fury on the Brunswick forum, I received dozens of posts questioning and criticizing my pin-to-pap selection, weight hole size/location, cover grit, etc. Not a single Big 'B' homeboy came forward and said "well, this isn't one of our finest pieces. Just chalk this one up to a Brunswick black eye". Of course, time and history proved otherwise.
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The Bustbomb did have cover issues which no one ever heard of and they didn't admit to. But, kudos to them for replacing these turds that didn't perform as advertised.
I own 20+ Lane#1 balls, and I've never experienced a cover issue. There have been a few releases I really didn't care for (anything with pieces of the Bomb core chopped off), but I honestly believe that these 'cover issue' claims are questionable at best.
I've won enough money with my 'Bustbomb' to buy a couple of extra for storage. My Buzzbomb was the difference for me and my team winning our last league roll off instead of going home with honorable mention. While many of the other bowlers were struggling with the fresh soup, the Buzzbomb gave a good look.
There are a few Lane#1 balls where we could have an honest conversation about performance pitfalls, but the Buzzbomb is not one of them.
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Hope you have a happy new year..
The same to you !!
Edited on 12/26/2008 3:54 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on December 27, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
Why is it that every single issue people are citing here as "over-hyped marketing" are the claims with the BuzzBomb? The double the backend, hook and scores claims were all with the BuzzBomb. What about teh other balls? I don't see hardly any other examples cited here or anywhere for that matter. Remember the claims were all aimed at thier new Doubler Doomsday core...the first time Lane 1 had used double flip block on their core.
The BuzzBomb is a fine piece. Did it live up to the "oil ball to replace all oiol balls" hype? No it did not but you know what? It is one of the finest pieces for heavier mediums that I have seen. The ball is incredibly versatile, driller friendly and takes surface adjustments as well as hand and speed changes incredibly well.
The Dynamo is going to be a great ball from what I have seen. The core specs when mated with the coverstock will keep that patented Lane 1 roll but will do it later on the lane.
I agree with many posters here...if more people would try the balls instead of bashing them, they cold add a valued reaction to their arsenal.
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Post by: holland1945 on December 29, 2008, 12:19:04 PM
I drilled this baby pin 3 3/8" from PAP with the CG kicked out 180 degrees so it was on the other side of the ball! Didn't test statics or drill a hole because I first wanted to see what this was capable of. Headed down to Great Wall Lanes in China, TX, where I carry a 260 average, and boy was I not disappointed. I found no matter what I did, as long as I got the ball out to 5 it came CHARGING back for a strike. I mean true, every other ball (even my Blue Dot) does that here, but I know that this ball is hitting harder than anything else because it has the patented DIAMOND CORE. I mean, that's even better than the liquid core ball Homer Simpson was going on about way back when, right? This ball has so much magic juju that I can feel it tingling on my hands. I guess it could be that my thumbhole is too tight because my driller sucks, but I don't think so - magic juju!
So I kept throwing this ball and kept striking. I never threw it quite the same way or line twice and it just kept charging back to the hole every time it hit that 5 board! It was like this ball had the invisible hand of god (or a bumper raised up by the bowling alley) causing this ball to violently disobey the laws of physics when it changed direction! 25 300's in a row later I started to get tired, so you would think I'd probably miss or dump one in the channel. Nope - it's like it would SENSE my inaccuracies and correct them. Too little hand and it would swing out less and arc more, too much and it would just spin and churn and snap at the end! Move left and it covers more boards, move right and it covers less! It's like there's a Dynamo magnet in the 1-3!
This ball truly is the 8th wonder of the world. I can't believe the USBC is going to let Lane #1 sell this ball - it will truly change bowling. Now winners will have to be determined by a coin flip or something because everybody's going to be having perfect games every time. Or maybe with perfect scores being a given, the winner will be determined by style points gymnastics style. Don't think Scroggy can do a cartwheel? He'll have to learn if he wants to hack it in this new world of bowling.
I don't know what they plan on charging for this ball but clearly it needs to be more...a lot more. All the other companies are going to go out of business so Lane #1 will be subsidizing the entire bowling industry. Is $500 per ball enough? $750? I don't know.
If I was you I'd put in a preorder for this ball if you can, and be ready to toss the rest of your stuff to the curb! Also feel free to drop to 12 pounds to save the wear and tear on your arm - a 300 is a 300 no matter the weight of the ball, right?
It took many years, but we do finally have a new king of the mountain to replace the Messenger Ti Lightweight. It's name is Lane #1 Dynamo, and hell hath no fury like a Dynamo scorned!
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Post by: Steven on December 29, 2008, 02:32:21 PM
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This ball truly is the 8th wonder of the world. I can't believe the USBC is going to let Lane #1 sell this ball - it will truly change bowling. Now winners will have to be determined by a coin flip or something because everybody's going to be having perfect games every time.
Holland (THB): If you had a dollar for every time you've averaged over 200, you'd be able to buy one really cheap hamburger. You should be jumping up and down for joy at the prospect of having a ball that can bring you the illusion of bowling credibility.
Try to be thankful.......
Post by: smash8-10split on December 29, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 29, 2008, 06:01:13 PM
This post means nothing!!!
Just as all the rest mean nothing..
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Post by: Storm269 on December 30, 2008, 03:35:38 AM
In my opinion, bowlers will read through ball reviews, ask question in the net and/or check with their Pro shop to find out if a certain ball is good for his/her game. I don't think anyone will buy a ball just by reading the advertising material.
Just my 2 cents...
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Post by: OddBalls on December 30, 2008, 11:00:10 AM
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I agree with many posters here...if more people would try the balls instead of bashing them, they cold add a valued reaction to their arsenal.
Been there, done that..
Quality balls? Yes..
Miracles as claimed by Richie? No f'ing way..
Different reactions?..Nope..at least not for me.
They are just..balls..no better than anyones elses.
If you happen to match up with them, then they are truly your saviors. If not, then they are just over priced, over hyped balls.
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Post by: Steven on December 31, 2008, 09:44:02 AM
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Hi, my name is Vinnie and I bought a bustbomb that did nothing!! My aveage sank 20+ pins with this dyno-turd and I gave it away for the cost of shipping.
The ball struggled in oil and rolled out on dry..
Way to go lane one..
Vinnie: I'm honestly perplexed. You've had major difficulties with two balls in the Lane#1 line-up (Uranium, BuzzBomb) that no-one should problems with. Both balls have even rolling symmetric cores with very tuneable covers that almost defy operator error.
Neither one of these balls will automatically be a favorite, but turds??
Sorry, the experiences you describe make no sense.
Post by: BeansProShop on December 31, 2008, 10:51:21 AM
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I am in the Hall of Fame... Are you??? LOL!!
Nobody cares, hack.
Whenever you want to lace em up.. I'll be in Vegas from Feb 1st to Aug 1st.
Stop in and I am sure we can set something up...
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Post by: BeansProShop on December 31, 2008, 10:53:19 AM
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hi my name is larry m im kinda new here. like most people i thought lane1 was hype . i recently purchased what 1 idiot called a bust bomb, its a graeat ball, great hook and carry. my average is up 10 pins and im still getting used to the ball... no they are not magic but really good balls....in the words of the great philosipher rodney king......CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG
Hi, my name is Vinnie and I bought a bustbomb that did nothing!! My aveage sank 20+ pins with this dyno-turd and I gave it away for the cost of shipping.
The ball struggled in oil and rolled out on dry..
Way to go lane one..
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Post by: Roy Munson on December 31, 2008, 02:26:21 PM
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theres that tool i lost, back in the tool box you go
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 01, 2009, 12:01:14 AM
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See, it incresed your average so go ahead and buy the new super duper Dynamo for a mere $178 plus shipping..
No "plus shipping" .... The price is $178 "shipped".
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 01, 2009, 12:28:04 AM
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i guess you didnt read the part where i havent bowled 4 two years, i used to average 200+ ,and if lane1 is marketing to the guy with a 170-180 average they must be pretty smart being that is about the norm 4 most league bowlers
And, since you've been away from bowling for some time, it seems you've failed to notice that the BuzzBomb, factory surface being 1000 grit dull, when compared to the Virtual Gravity's OOB surface, 4000, shows that the VG cannot be called a true oiler. These are your words from another website regarding ball reviews, no? Let me inform you that just about any solid reactive ball, when taken to 1000 grit or lower, will fare better than a ball, even the mighty Virtual Gravity, @ 4000. Is this Lane #1 bashing? I'd like to think not. However, please distribute your opinions based on honest to goodness, apples to apples comparisons, that are on even ground. FWIW, I'll take my Threshold for an oiler any day of the week and twice on Sundays. This opinion coming from someone who's got a VG in his bag and has plenty of other pills if he wants to surf the lane or go coast to coast.
BTW, keep up the great work after your absence. Glad to see that you've returned to the game that you enjoy.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on January 01, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
BTW, i'm no Lane #1 supporter exactly. In my bag is all Hammers (5) , 2 Lane #1 (XXXL and Chainsaw).
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 01, 2009, 11:19:44 AM
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TF go for about $119 and are quality equipment.
I believe the Twisted Fury goes for around $145-$147. I'm not saying there isn't any, but I haven't seen any for $119.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on January 01, 2009, 11:25:48 AM
Alright, I see what you're talking about here! Nevermind my post then.
I'll just creep back to the Hammer side of BR.. Haha.
Can't wait to see the Dynamo in action!
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Post by: Steven on January 01, 2009, 12:05:24 PM
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Ha Ha Ha Ha. "symmetrical cores with tuneable covers that almost defy operator error" Good one. Is there a button on the ball that sets the auto pilot or is it done by a hand held remote control? Just asking.
CRD: OK, since you are "Just asking". It appears that you've completely misintepreted my "symmetrical cores with tuneable covers that almost defy operator error" statement. The point is that even rolling and predictable equipment (i.e. Lane#1 BuzzBomb/Uranium) should never be labeled as a "turd" if your mechanics are sound and you have a decent release. The same can be said for non-Lane#1 equipment that falls in the same predictable, even rolling category -- for instance the Cell and LevRG. If you claim that you don't match up, it's time for some serious self examination.
Now, for someone like yourself who has proudly said:
"I don't rely on a core to make the ball move and the pins dance. I use my skills and shell prep (90% of ball reaction) to get the job done"
these basic concepts might be lost on you.
However, it's a new year -- maybe a miracle will happen.
Edited on 1/2/2009 1:11 PM
Post by: BeansProShop on January 01, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
OR....
You can wait and see me at the booth in Vegas. We will be very competetive with ALL the other booths.
Thanks beans
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Post by: FastTracker33 on January 01, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
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Post by: tizzle on January 02, 2009, 08:30:14 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 02, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
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My problem is with people like you who don't seem to like Lane #1 or have anything good to say about them but you always seem to be in the Lane #1 forum looking for anything negative to say.
I've thrown hammer, ebonite, columbia, storm and the brunsbust equipment. To me Lane #1 is second to none. That's my opinion. Other people have the same opinion. If they want to believe what they do about Lane #1, so what. They are entitled to their opinion. An opinion is just that, an opinion. Get used to the fact that others are entitled to their opinion just as you are yours. You can't stand someone elses opinion but you think you can force your opinion down everyones throats.
The prices of the high end balls from all company's are comparable. I frequent 4 different pro shops in my area. All of the high end balls are priced just about the same. Online may show a difference in prices but that is the online shops fault for charging more than they need to, it's not Richies fault. I can get Lane #1 balls in my local shop for $180.00 out the door, drilled with grips and slug. Online shops sell them for MAP $178.00 without drilling, grips and slug. Comparing online shops to B&M shops is like comparing apples to oranges. Other B&M shops who are charging $200.00 plus are ripping people off. Again, not Lane #1's fault but the fault of greedy retailers.
Even if Lane #1 balls are 10% to 20% just for the sake of the debate, why should you care if people are willing to pay it. You aren't and from what I read you think Lane #1 balls are a bust. So why do you waste your time here trying to convince others the suk? What would you do if people followed you around and ragged on you and your equipment every chance they had?
What is it with you people? If you don't like the company or the product, stf up and stay out of their forums.
+1 .... Well said Sawingemdown.... Especially where you said .... "why should you care if people are willing to pay it" ....and.... "If you don't like the company or the product, stf up and stay out of their forums".....That is exactly my feelings also in that it's other peoples money to spend as they please and not the people that complain and if other people want to pay what ever the price, then so be it, it is their business .... and .... I also agree with you that if people don't like the company or the product, then stay out of the forum plus they will be able to sleep better at night if they do. As it is they are losing sleep over something that doesn't concern them.
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Post by: holland1945 on January 03, 2009, 05:30:50 AM
Go see my long post earlier in the thread about how I feel in regards to their marketing (not my joke post a bit later, though earlier than this post here). If someone who averages 230 on a house shot feels these balls give them that 2 - 5 pins they need to win vs. place or place vs. not in tourneys, I can't argue with that. However, Lane #1 does not cater to that (admittedly small) market - they go for the 175 bowler, and that's why their marketing is snake oil...when you average 175, ANY product made by a major manufacturer that is properly chosen, drilled, and prepared will be just as good as a Lane #1 ball...worrying about carry percentage (which is more a function of angle of entry than anything to do with the shape of the core in the ball when it gets to the pocket) when your technique is not getting you to the hole enough (as evidenced by your 175 average) is folly. Want something that hits harder? Go up a pound (unless you're already at 16 heh).
Buy every new Lane #1 release because you enjoy the community surrounding it and/or their customer service after the sale? Great, I have no qualms with that, or even if you just think they're pretty and like to display them on your shelf - just don't tell bowlers why you should buy them in that case, because you aren't one, same as Leica camera collectors who take a few snaps now and then are not photographers (there's obviously a lot of collectors here when you own 15 Lane #1 balls and 75% of them are big hooking pieces, and they're ALL listed in your signature here). Buy it because of the competitive advantage it's going to give you? Just research this - what pros and top amateurs win tournaments BECAUSE they use Lane #1. Heck, which ones win throwing Lane #1, whether they attribute it to that factor or not? Do you really think you know something they don't in buying this product? See how many tournaments you've won compared to them and ask yourself who has the more profitable bowling knowledge.
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Post by: triggerman on January 03, 2009, 08:17:07 AM
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People have their own reasons for "caring," but as this is a public forum where in theory we try to help people, when some of us see people making a potential mistake (paying premium price for something that can be obtained at a discount in similar and possibly superior quality elsewhere).
Go see my long post earlier in the thread about how I feel in regards to their marketing (not my joke post a bit later, though earlier than this post here). If someone who averages 230 on a house shot feels these balls give them that 2 - 5 pins they need to win vs. place or place vs. not in tourneys, I can't argue with that. However, Lane #1 does not cater to that (admittedly small) market - they go for the 175 bowler, and that's why their marketing is snake oil...when you average 175, ANY product made by a major manufacturer that is properly chosen, drilled, and prepared will be just as good as a Lane #1 ball...worrying about carry percentage (which is more a function of angle of entry than anything to do with the shape of the core in the ball when it gets to the pocket) when your technique is not getting you to the hole enough (as evidenced by your 175 average) is folly. Want something that hits harder? Go up a pound (unless you're already at 16 heh).
Buy every new Lane #1 release because you enjoy the community surrounding it and/or their customer service after the sale? Great, I have no qualms with that, or even if you just think they're pretty and like to display them on your shelf - just don't tell bowlers why you should buy them in that case, because you aren't one, same as Leica camera collectors who take a few snaps now and then are not photographers (there's obviously a lot of collectors here when you own 15 Lane #1 balls and 75% of them are big hooking pieces, and they're ALL listed in your signature here). Buy it because of the competitive advantage it's going to give you? Just research this - what pros and top amateurs win tournaments BECAUSE they use Lane #1. Heck, which ones win throwing Lane #1, whether they attribute it to that factor or not? Do you really think you know something they don't in buying this product? See how many tournaments you've won compared to them and ask yourself who has the more profitable bowling knowledge.
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here is where everyone gets all carried away, we as lane 1 users have said it time and time again, you DO NOT PAY A PREMIUM for the lane 1 brand, they are no more expensive then the top line storm, morich or big b balls, the differential is so small anymore that it is a moot point
now if we want to talk about match up which all you that are trying to educate the 175 bowlers tend to forget about. matchup is what makes the end user happy with his purchase. working out of a proshop that sells a lot of lane 1 i can tell you we have had people come in that have stepped up from the grooves, tropical storms and such into their first high performance ball, usually an ebo or hammer as the other shop in town pushes them. they come in and are not happy with their new purchase, the shop spends time tries to help with their new hammer or ebo or big b first and get it to work. if that doesnt get there we show them some lane 1 stuff. 95% of those 175 bowlers end up happier with that lane 1 ball vs that other brand, why i dont know for sure, but my guess is they get a great roll and very good hit vs some hook or jerky action from the other stuff
match up becomes the key, and once again 95% on here match up greatly, thus their reason for staying with them. they find the ads comedic and love to see them, they get excited about a new release just like the fans of other companies due when they put out a new ball Due to its niche market, lane 1 needs that marketing advantage to move some stuff. off the hundreds of balls i have sold, i have taken two back due to the end user being unhappy with performance. i have offered on several other times but the users have all said
"its not the arrow its the indian" and have kept the ball
Ive been throwing lane 1 for about 5 years, i try all sorts of stuff, mainly out of curiousity but you know what, i continue to come back here to this brand not because of marketing, not because some pro uses it, and certainly not because of what is said in this forum, i throw it because i have a choice. most of the new guys i put into a lane 1 ball have done their research, even the 175 guys they all have gone out and looked read reviews seen others blah blah blah. do get off the uneducated decisions most of the people buying balls are not doing so because of marketing it typically is a review, word of mouth or seeing it in action. we have sold in excess of 15 of the dynamos due to what people have seen of the ball how it reacts how it handles different people throwing so on and so forth, i let anyone in league throw my stuff, i let them make that decision themselves people continually ask what i am throwing then ask more questions
maybe once and for all some of you will get off the marketing stuff, people can and do spend their money they way they want, i have people return cause they feel they get a competitive advantage not because of some hype in an ad
normally i am even keep about this whole thing, but watching the BS come in especially by some users who do not throw the stuff is enough, so you dont like the company big deal get over it, dont read the ads, move on throw plastic i dont care just dont knock a company cause you dont agree or you dont see pros using it
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Post by: jbuzz31 on January 03, 2009, 09:35:43 AM
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"The prices of the high end balls from all company's are comparable. I frequent 4 different pro shops in my area. All of the high end balls are priced just about the same. Online may show a difference in prices but that is the online shops fault for charging more than they need to, it's not Richies fault. I can get Lane #1 balls in my local shop for $180.00 out the door, drilled with grips and slug. Online shops sell them for MAP $178.00 without drilling, grips and slug. Comparing online shops to B&M shops is like comparing apples to oranges. Other B&M shops who are charging $200.00 plus are ripping people off. Again, not Lane #1's fault but the fault of greedy retailers."
Not every one has access to your shop so not everyone can get a Lane#1 ball out the door for $180, so your point is moot, If he's selling that ball for that much, then he's making it up in the other brands he's selling. no question about it.
Here's your on line comparison:
http://www.bowling.com/products/storm-virtual-gravity.htm
compared to a $178 map pricing for Dynamo..
You must be using Obama math..
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thats because in the last month or so most of the manufactures have dropped there MAP pricing down because of the economy. Both you and I know damn well when the Cell first came out it was in the 170 range. I will admit lane 1 hasnt dropped theres, but ive heard there soon to follow. so chill the **** out.
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Post by: holland1945 on January 03, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
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Post by: jbuzz31 on January 03, 2009, 11:30:25 AM
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I'm really tired of Lane #1 fanboys comparing Lane #1 online undrilled prices to other companies' brick-and-mortar drilled prices and saying Lane #1 is the same. Lane #1 has ALWAYS been more expensive than its competition, period. There is no denying this, and any apples-to-apples comparison will prove it.
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oh really?
then how did i manage to get a brand new g force, drilled w/ grips & Slug for 127 out the door a couple months ago?
huh
huh
huh
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 03, 2009, 11:34:50 AM
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I'm really tired of Lane #1 fanboys comparing Lane #1 online undrilled prices to other companies' brick-and-mortar drilled prices and saying Lane #1 is the same. Lane #1 has ALWAYS been more expensive than its competition, period. There is no denying this, and any apples-to-apples comparison will prove it.
The solution is simple.......If it bothers you so much then stay out of the Lane 1 Forum which in turn will also help you sleep better at night. All of your whining is not going to change a thing.
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Post by: holland1945 on January 03, 2009, 12:02:37 PM
quote:QuoteI'm really tired of Lane #1 fanboys comparing Lane #1 online undrilled prices to other companies' brick-and-mortar drilled prices and saying Lane #1 is the same. Lane #1 has ALWAYS been more expensive than its competition, period. There is no denying this, and any apples-to-apples comparison will prove it.
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oh really?
then how did i manage to get a brand new g force, drilled w/ grips & Slug for 127 out the door a couple months ago?
huh
huh
huh
STFU
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I don't know, how did you?
Is the G Force a current ball? Did you get that price free of any gift certificates, coupons, sales, buy-one-get-one deals, or anything else? Is what you did to get it at this price repeatable by others? Is it first quality? If the answer to any of these questions is "no", it's irrelevant. I'm at buddiesproshop.com right now and even the XXXL is $120 undrilled and before shipping, and that's their cheapest ball there by $30, nothing that is a "hook" ball is under $178. The MOST expensive Brunswick ball there is $146.50. Now, are they jacking up Lane #1 costs, selling Brunswick at a loss, or is there a legitimate $32 price difference between Lane #1 and Brunswick pricing that I'm not imagining?
Buddies is just one example, I can go to other sites and get similar statistics for you...
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Post by: holland1945 on January 03, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
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The solution is simple.......If it bothers you so much then stay out of the Lane 1 Forum which in turn will also help you sleep better at night. All of your whining is not going to change a thing.
It's funny that you replied to this post, which had nothing to do with you, yet you completely ignore the post where I reply DIRECTLY TO YOU.
It "bothers" me for the same reason the misc non-bowling threads bother other people so much...the threads appear on the front page of this site and bam. Or I see their posts in other forums with their stupid signatures about how Lane #1 is superior and they carry a 15 ball Lane #1 arsenal of 12 hook monsters and yet profile data is suspiciously absent about their sanctioned average and any tourneys they've won. Lane #1 people choose to peddle their annoying snake oil here despite having 2 forums either devoted to or mainly focused on them (Lane #1's own site and BBE).
My suggestion to you is that if you're tired of those like myself "whining" about Lane #1, stick to the one of the plethora of options that are Lane #1 focused so you can have a little incestuous circle jerk about how pretty your bowling balls are with no criticism from the likes of myself and others.
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Post by: jbuzz31 on January 03, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
quote:quote:QuoteI'm really tired of Lane #1 fanboys comparing Lane #1 online undrilled prices to other companies' brick-and-mortar drilled prices and saying Lane #1 is the same. Lane #1 has ALWAYS been more expensive than its competition, period. There is no denying this, and any apples-to-apples comparison will prove it.
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oh really?
then how did i manage to get a brand new g force, drilled w/ grips & Slug for 127 out the door a couple months ago?
huh
huh
huh
STFU
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I don't know, how did you?
Is the G Force a current ball? Did you get that price free of any gift certificates, coupons, sales, buy-one-get-one deals, or anything else? Is what you did to get it at this price repeatable by others? Is it first quality? If the answer to any of these questions is "no", it's irrelevant. I'm at buddiesproshop.com right now and even the XXXL is $120 undrilled and before shipping, and that's their cheapest ball there by $30, nothing that is a "hook" ball is under $178. The MOST expensive Brunswick ball there is $146.50. Now, are they jacking up Lane #1 costs, selling Brunswick at a loss, or is there a legitimate $32 price difference between Lane #1 and Brunswick pricing that I'm not imagining?
Buddies is just one example, I can go to other sites and get similar statistics for you...
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still on the website, no buy one get one, anyone could walk into the proshop and get that same price and yes it is first quality not a blem
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Post by: Steven on January 03, 2009, 12:14:19 PM
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People have their own reasons for "caring," but as this is a public forum where in theory we try to help people, when some of us see people making a potential mistake (paying premium price for something that can be obtained at a discount in similar and possibly superior quality elsewhere).
Given your nonexistent experience with Lane#1, as well as your personal trials as a bowler, why do feel positioned to offer advice and conclude 'a potential mistake' might be made?
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Go see my long post earlier in the thread about how I feel in regards to their marketing (not my joke post a bit later, though earlier than this post here).
I'm honored that your opinion on Lane#1 marketing is the end all on the subject. The fact is that all companies embellish to some degree in marketing. You're like a dog who can never figure out there is no meat left on the bone.
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If someone who averages 230 on a house shot feels these balls give them that 2 - 5 pins they need to win vs. place or place vs. not in tourneys, I can't argue with that.
One of the few observations you've got right. In the interests of balance I have to give you credit here.
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However, Lane #1 does not cater to that (admittedly small) market - they go for the 175 bowler, and that's why their marketing is snake oil...
Hmmm. Now where did you pick this up? Are you simply parroting this from another Lane#1 troll, or do you have real information? I've never seen marketing material stating Lane#1 is going after the 175 bowler. Please point out any published Lane#1 marketing that substantiates your claim.
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Just research this - what pros and top amateurs win tournaments BECAUSE they use Lane #1. Heck, which ones win throwing Lane #1, whether they attribute it to that factor or not? Do you really think you know something they don't in buying this product? See how many tournaments you've won compared to them and ask yourself who has the more profitable bowling knowledge.
Pros use whatever company provides them the most incentive -- period. Pros are money whores (just like the rest of us), and they follow the scent of the all mighty buck. As far as amateurs, you can't possibly have any clue about who accomplishes what with the product.
Brick probably said it best -- please read closely:
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The solution is simple.......If it bothers you so much then stay out of the Lane 1 Forum which in turn will also help you sleep better at night. All of your whining is not going to change a thing.
Thanks to Brick for making things simple.......
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 03, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
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My suggestion to you is that if you're tired of those like myself "whining" about Lane #1, stick to the one of the plethora of options that are Lane #1 focused so you can have a little incestuous circle jerk about how pretty your bowling balls are with no criticism from the likes of myself and others.
Holland, my advice to morons like yourself is..... if you don't like what Lane 1 does, then as already said before, STAY OUT OF THE LANE 1 FORUM and you might be able to sleep at night for a change. Might also help from having your panties bunched up in a knot all of the time. Would you like some cheese with your whine???
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 03, 2009, 03:49:21 PM
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Post by: holland1945 on January 03, 2009, 04:59:54 PM
quote:quote:
My suggestion to you is that if you're tired of those like myself "whining" about Lane #1, stick to the one of the plethora of options that are Lane #1 focused so you can have a little incestuous circle jerk about how pretty your bowling balls are with no criticism from the likes of myself and others.
Holland, my advice to morons like yourself is..... if you don't like what Lane 1 does, then as already said before, STAY OUT OF THE LANE 1 FORUM and you might be able to sleep at night for a change. Might also help from having your panties bunched up in a knot all of the time. Would you like some cheese with your whine???
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I stay in Misc Non Bowling, + Brunswick occasionally, + anything intriguing from the latest threads box on the front page. I've been following this thread since it came across that area, however.
Believe me, I sleep just fine at night. And the only panties in a bunch are your mom's on the floor after I'm done with her
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Post by: RevZiLLa on January 03, 2009, 05:06:19 PM
I know how you are treated in the non-bowling forum regarding politics. Why would you want to turn around and treat others that way in the bowling section?
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 03, 2009, 05:40:45 PM
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The new Lane #1 add says they want 5 boards added to the lane because most guys that throw Lane #1 equipment couldn't hit the same arrow twice if their life depended on it. Spray-n-Pray baby!
That's pretty funny
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Post by: Doug Sterner on January 03, 2009, 07:48:44 PM
The best way to get rid of people who thrive on conflict is to simply ignore them...I only get to see about 1/2 of the posts in this forum due to the sheer number of people on my ignore list :-)
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 03, 2009, 09:38:10 PM
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Believe me, I sleep just fine at night. And the only panties in a bunch are your mom's on the floor after I'm done with her
Holland, my Mother died of cancer July 1st, 1958, so it was your own Mom that you did and you bunched her panties up in the process. Did you enjoy it while you were doing her?
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Post by: charlest on January 04, 2009, 06:26:50 AM
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I like puppies.
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Post by: holland1945 on January 04, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
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Holland/THB: Some observations:
Given your nonexistent experience with Lane#1, as well as your personal trials as a bowler, why do feel positioned to offer advice and conclude 'a potential mistake' might be made?
From sheer observation of reality that quite frankly Lane #1 fanboys like yourself fail to provide in an objective way. I list reasons in which Lane #1 could quite possibly be superior, but those such as yourself fail to accept the fact that even though you believe Lane #1 to be superior, that may not be the case all the time and you can't even imagine a situation in which that would be so.
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I'm honored that your opinion on Lane#1 marketing is the end all on the subject. The fact is that all companies embellish to some degree in marketing. You're like a dog who can never figure out there is no meat left on the bone.
Straw man, bad analogy, and two wrongs make a right to justify Lane #1's marketing. Awesome.
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One of the few observations you've got right. In the interests of balance I have to give you credit here.
If you were interested in balance, you would have spent a lot more time looking at what I said, rather than who said it.
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Hmmm. Now where did you pick this up? Are you simply parroting this from another Lane#1 troll, or do you have real information? I've never seen marketing material stating Lane#1 is going after the 175 bowler. Please point out any published Lane#1 marketing that substantiates your claim.
All the claims of huge gains in average and such are clearly not intended for top bowlers - they know better, and it really isn't possible to have gains of the size they are claiming if you're already in the top 1% of average. But I'm sorry, I do not have a copy of Lane #1's corporate marketing strategy to prove my point to you...I'm just going by common sense, which admittedly is pretty uncommon when it comes to Lane #1 so who knows? Maybe they DO think a bowler who is already averaging 240 with other equipment can get up to 250 by doing nothing else than switching to Lane #1.
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Pros use whatever company provides them the most incentive -- period. Pros are money whores (just like the rest of us), and they follow the scent of the all mighty buck. As far as amateurs, you can't possibly have any clue about who accomplishes what with the product.
I can be at tournaments and not see a single Lane #1 ball other than my red XXXL. I can see posts here and news items that talk about accomplishments and equipment used and it's never Lane #1 beyond a house hack throwing a 300/800, which is accomplished with all brands. And there are free agent pros out there - who are not using Lane #1 - and when Lane #1 HAS been on TV they have fallen flat no matter who the bowler might be. And you can't use the small company card here because of how successful MoRich has been on all levels
It's sad that people like you have to attack people like me to keep the myth going, when you probably are not even being paid for your efforts. With most companies, astroturfer is a paid position.
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Post by: holland1945 on January 04, 2009, 01:23:04 PM
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Holland,
I know how you are treated in the non-bowling forum regarding politics. Why would you want to turn around and treat others that way in the bowling section?
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Post by: holland1945 on January 04, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
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here is where everyone gets all carried away, we as lane 1 users have said it time and time again, you DO NOT PAY A PREMIUM for the lane 1 brand, they are no more expensive then the top line storm, morich or big b balls, the differential is so small anymore that it is a moot point
I'm sorry, but I disagree that $25 per ball is a small difference. If I'm building a 6 ball arsenal, that difference will get me a 7th ball from another company, or keep $150 in my pocket. That's a humongous difference to the average person, especially right now.
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now if we want to talk about match up which all you that are trying to educate the 175 bowlers tend to forget about. matchup is what makes the end user happy with his purchase. working out of a proshop that sells a lot of lane 1 i can tell you we have had people come in that have stepped up from the grooves, tropical storms and such into their first high performance ball, usually an ebo or hammer as the other shop in town pushes them. they come in and are not happy with their new purchase, the shop spends time tries to help with their new hammer or ebo or big b first and get it to work. if that doesnt get there we show them some lane 1 stuff. 95% of those 175 bowlers end up happier with that lane 1 ball vs that other brand, why i dont know for sure, but my guess is they get a great roll and very good hit vs some hook or jerky action from the other stuff
Look, you're a shop owner, and one of the most prominent Lane #1 guys out there. I get that, and in that regard, you're not any different from most shop owners because most of them are strongly tied to one company or another. But trying to make the wrong Ebo/Bruns ball work with a person vs. choosing the right Lane #1 ball, yeah you're going to have more luck with the Lane #1 ball. Unfortunately, not every pro shop is worth the cost of its drill press. There is no doubt in my mind that a 175-type bowler is not accurate to see the difference between (for example) a Lane #1 low RG solid reactive at 800 vs. another company's low RG solid reactive at 800, if they are drilled to do the same thing. A 235 bowler will absolutely see that difference, and this is my point.
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off the hundreds of balls i have sold, i have taken two back due to the end user being unhappy with performance. i have offered on several other times but the users have all said
"its not the arrow its the indian" and have kept the ball
Once again I need to reiterate that I have no doubts that Lane #1 makes a great product. However, if you have a 6 ball arsenal, or you have purchased 6 Lane #1 balls because you're caught up in the new release hype, that $150 difference could pay for a lot of bowling lessons to teach you how to throw cheaper equipment properly, cheaper equipment that's out there winning pro and amateur tournaments every week.
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maybe once and for all some of you will get off the marketing stuff, people can and do spend their money they way they want, i have people return cause they feel they get a competitive advantage not because of some hype in an ad
I'm sorry, but based on what I've seen...it sounds more like the placebo effect, and buyer's remorse. They paid a premium for this product so they're going to tell themselves that they bowl better with it, just like the $100 dollar wine tastes better than the $10 wine.
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normally i am even keep about this whole thing, but watching the BS come in especially by some users who do not throw the stuff is enough, so you dont like the company big deal get over it, dont read the ads, move on throw plastic i dont care just dont knock a company cause you dont agree or you dont see pros using it
That's where we differ. You say the company has to market things the way they do to sell. I say they have no business being in business if that's how they have to do things to survive. MoRich, for example, touts the new designs of their cores - they are new. They tout the fact that they have higher MB diff than other companies - that is true. Never do they say that their balls will give you a higher average or win you tournaments. They tell you what the concept is, what they feel it does/what they intend for it to accomplish (pertaining to reaction), and it's up to you and your driller to see if it works for you.
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Post by: Steven on January 04, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
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It's sad that people like you have to attack people like me to keep the myth going, when you probably are not even being paid for your efforts. With most companies, astroturfer is a paid position.
Holland/THB: There is nothing 'sad' about requesting clarity regarding a lot of stated Lane#1 absolutes you apparently know very little about.
Originally, you stated emphatically that Lane#1 markets to the 175 bowler. I simply ask you to clarify. You can't show a single example, but state it's a matter of 'common sense'. Who's common sense? I personally went from a consistent year-to-year 220 to a 234 when I switched to Lane#1 exclusively in league. I guess I didn't get the 'for 175 average only' memo. It was probably a good thing.
On the point of amateurs using Lane#1, your answer was that you hadn't seen many. As a 200 average THS bowler, how many scratch tournaments do you participate in where you can quantify how many bowlers are using what brand? I guess the money I've won using Lane#1 in competition is an illusion.
This isn't the miscellaneous forum where it's accepted that every nut job on the web is going to post whatever nonsense they want. If you ever take the time to try the different types of balls in the Lane#1 lineup and offer a real world opinion, you'd have a ready audience ready to listen.
I just don't get why you feel it's necessary to pontificate and state absolutes in an area that by your own admission you know little about.
Post by: Den Olano on January 04, 2009, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: OddBalls on January 05, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
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inverted1 im getting sick of u attributing words yo me that i never said .....i never claimed miraculous results i meerely said i bowled well with the new ball,,, as i alreadt stated im 175 due to 2 years absense and im just coming back.. if you r such a supreme bowler u should be able to throw anything, anywhere, any style ... so y do u even come to the forums.you seem to spend alot of wasted time talking and worrying about something u dont like... go to a site of a company u like and be positive 4 once.
No disrespect meant to you larry..
My point was simply that you are the type of bowler that Lane#1 caters to with their marketing BS.
They claim to improve average and carry due to their magical, mystical core hoping that you and other bowlers buy into the BS.
That's my beef.
In case any body missed it, I never said that they were crap. They are quality balls and their CS is top notch. No question about it.
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Post by: OddBalls on January 05, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
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I finally figured it out....
Inverted sucks sooooooo bad........
"how bad does he suck?"
even HE tried throwing Lane 1, and couldn't raise his average.
HENCE THE HOSTILITY TWOARD THE BRAND
Richie, just make sure every ad that claims anything "MORE"
has a disclaimer ( except for Inverted 1)
Edited on 1/3/2009 6:40 PM
Yup, I suck and I suck even more with a Buzzer in my hands.
I've stated many times here that I couldn't get them to work for me or even get a decent reaction out of them..
I currently have a cobalt soild that I paid $85 out the door for and it is a very decent ball. I recently shot a 700+ with it.
I also have a Carbide + and a Silver Diamond. Carbide is a decent ball and the SD is allergic to any oil at all and I can't get it to work for me.
But, I had the same type of situation with my other bowling balls which brings up my point....Lane#1 is nothing but an over-priced, over-hyped ball. End of story.
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Richie, just make sure every ad that claims anything "MORE"
has a disclaimer ( except for anyone that has a brain)
FIXED
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Post by: Steven on January 05, 2009, 12:18:14 PM
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Yup, I suck
I suspect you're being to hard on yourself.
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I suck even more with a Buzzer in my hands.
I'm really curious about the root cause of your "Buzzer suckiness". If we accept each other's views at face value, why do you think others can have on-going success with Buzzsaws while you don't?
Post by: jbuzz31 on January 05, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
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Post by: OddBalls on January 05, 2009, 03:48:31 PM
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hi my name is larry m im kinda new here. like most people i thought lane1 was hype . i recently purchased what 1 idiot called a bust bomb, its a graeat ball, great hook and carry. my average is up 10 pins and im still getting used to the ball... no they are not magic but really good balls....in the words of the great philosipher rodney king......CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG
Hi, my name is Vinnie and I bought a bustbomb that did nothing!! My aveage sank 20+ pins with this dyno-turd and I gave it away for the cost of shipping.
The ball struggled in oil and rolled out on dry..
Way to go lane one..
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Keep looking... I'm sure there's a 300 in one of those balls you keep buying!!
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c(')(') here bunny bunny bunny....
Hm.. that's funny how did you get a Dynamo considering the ball is NOT out yet, and the only people that have one are our testers??
P.s. Perhaps hit up the spell check before your next post!
Thanks!
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Lane #1
Jen@lane1bowling.com
Jen,
We were talking about the buzzbomb in this particular case. We all know that the Dynamo is a super secret orb of massive pin destruction that's not out yet!
I spilled cheked ths just 4 u.
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Post by: BeansProShop on January 05, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Have Chuck call David and have him delete this post...LOL!!
Beans
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Post by: OddBalls on January 05, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
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this thread is a PERFECT example of why this site needs moderators.
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Why??
Just because we disagree about a ball or the marketing surrounding it?? Isn't that what a PUBLIC forum is for??
I've gone into the Brunswick site and expressed opinions on their equipment as well and it's not always been positive.
I have a few threads in their stating the Radical Inferno was the biggest turd I've every seen and had the displeasure to throw?
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Post by: OddBalls on January 05, 2009, 04:01:29 PM
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Jen,
Have Chuck call David and have him delete this post...LOL!!
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 National Sales Manager and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
Check out current eBay auctions at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=beanssecretsauce Official Pro Shop of "ALL" F.O.S. Members!!!
You know beans, IF I ever buy another L#1 ball, I'm going to have you drill it out for me.
This way, I can be sure that I'm getting one of the most expierenced lane#1 ball driller in the country.
I'll make sure I give you all my specs and you can do your magic on them.
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