Post by: Laybzz74 on January 26, 2010, 04:40:15 AM
XD still needs a coverstock adjustment that I feel comfortable with tho ... OOB is too strong for the 4 x 3 layout, so I hit it with 1000 white pad first, then tried polished lightly too ... still too much for me, so now I''''m at highly polished and I''''m not there yet (it''''s not in my bag).
Thinking of taking the cover up step by step, without and then with polish, at each abralon level until I find a place for this ball in my lineup.
Any experience or suggestions ??? BTW ... it will need a balance hole to get rid of 5/8 oz of side weight.
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Post by: charlest on January 26, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
Either 2" above your PAP or 2" inside your PAP.
Use large enough hole to affect the core. Don't worry if it has 3/4" of negative side weight (I have balls like that that that still flip hard.). The hole should be around 7/8" wide and 2 1/2" deep at least.
OR
Try a hook reducing, backend reducing polish like Valentino's UFO.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on January 26, 2010, 05:28:57 PM
I normally try to get a "read" on a ball''''s reaction before I have a WH drilled so that I locate the hole properly to get the desired effect, so I''''ll try the Snake Oil/Extended Length polish adjust first and then use the good info that you''''ve provided. BTW ... tried a WH inside my VAL with my BD and wound up selling it (I chose a bad layout that was too strong for my style and that ball).
Update later ...
PS - My Buzz Attack seems to be getting stronger as I "break in" that cover I''''d heard about break in time on the BPR, but has anyone had this experience with their BA ??
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Post by: Laybzz74 on January 27, 2010, 08:35:19 AM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 27, 2010, 09:12:21 AM
My BPR is good even just after being refinished, but as my polish starts to wear off it becomes stronger in the midlane and allows for a more pr4edictable shot while staill allowing to play the same line as before. I like mine best after it has about 6-8 games on a fresh polish.
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Post by: charlest on January 27, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
LaneHammer's reply got me thinking about this subject. I think his reason may be wrong because even polished balls just don't change that much unless the lane surface is very old and it is really chewing up the ball or if a super light (read: Insufficient) shine was put on the ball.
However, there is one possible reason which can explain what you both are seeing. Confidence in the ball. Unless we have already thrown such a ball or unless we already deeply believe in the "goodness" of that ball, most of us will throw the ball in a manner not quite the same as we throw the balls we use daily. We won't throw them with the same confidence level. we not 100% convinced it will reactthe way we epect it to. It's human nature. So you could just be throwing it better than when you first started using it.
Don't underestimate the power of the human mind. It affects everything we do, consciously and subconsciously.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on January 27, 2010, 04:27:49 PM
BTW ... I had my pro shop put a coat of Legends Extended Length polish on the XD will try it again tomorrow (you had mentioned Valentino's Snake Oil, but I had already tried a light coat of Legends Factory Finish polish and then highly polished it, so the EL polish is the next step that doesn't change the underlying grit. Gonna wait until I "find" a coverstock/reaction that suits me before drilling the WH.
Thanx again!!!
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Post by: charlest on January 27, 2010, 05:58:37 PM
When I used LM's extended length, my results (not proven) seemed to indicate it wasmuch like Ebonite's extended length polish: in that it was just an extra abrasive polish intended to make the surface finer AND polish it. That gives them both, the "extra length".
They are not at all like Valentino's UFO, Track's/Powerhouse's Delayed Reaction or Neo-Tac's Control-iT. All of those have a "grab inhibitor", if you will. They all provide extra length, REDUCED overall hook AND REDUCED backend.
If LM's Extended Length polish gives you want you want, fine. But extra length, also gives you extra backend. It is just NOT what I recommended.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on January 28, 2010, 07:05:39 AM
Thanx, Jeff !!!
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 28, 2010, 07:08:27 AM
Are we talking to strong, backend wise, midlane wise, roll out strong or what?
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Post by: milorafferty on January 28, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
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Is the XD really that strong. My pro shop just got one in for me, and I have no idea how to drill it yet.
Are we talking to strong, backend wise, midlane wise, roll out strong or what?
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My XD is really that strong yes. With the OOB finish it was very strong in the midlane with a hard finish. On the local shots here, it was just too much ball for the conditions. I polished it, and it is still too strong for most of the conditions I face in league. It gets through the heads much cleaner with the polished finish, but has a very, very strong finish.
On another note about the Buzz Attack, I have mine polished and use the Power House Reaction Plus product. It gives the ball a smooth action in the midlane with a strong finish. I prefer this finish over the OOB finish.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 28, 2010, 11:43:29 AM
If this ball digs hard in the midlane as it sounds, I will definitly have to go pin up with this one.
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Post by: charlest on January 28, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
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I have noticed slot of people got a XD that came with a matte finish. The one my pro shop got in is as decribed on the site. Polsih with white pad over top, so mine will be quite shiny OOB. I typically have to polish my equipment anyways because of my style.
If this ball digs hard in the midlane as it sounds, I will definitly have to go pin up with this one.
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Be cautious in presuming that they throw the ball similarly to you, have drilled it similarly and face similar lane surface/oil pattern that you do. Remember we're talking relativity here: What we see is relative to what we are used to seeing. Unless you're there in person, it can be very hard to tell using words, ESPECIALLY with ball reactions and the number of different ways people can release the ball and at different speeds.
Humorously, 99% of us throw "medium revs and medium ball speed". Yeah, right!!
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Post by: WHOS THAT on January 31, 2010, 04:45:32 AM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on January 31, 2010, 09:24:49 AM
More later ...
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 31, 2010, 09:19:26 PM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on February 01, 2010, 09:46:30 AM
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Post by: TM3 LMBowling on February 01, 2010, 12:15:33 PM
Glad you have such faith in Galen. He is back on a part time basis. he is here in the office Tue and Wed 9am to 4:30pm. Feel free to call him.
Thanks.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on February 02, 2010, 03:53:04 PM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on March 01, 2010, 09:39:21 PM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on March 08, 2010, 08:58:41 PM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 09, 2010, 06:58:57 AM
It is unique though, I have a weak drill on it and it is still for me a no less than medium ball, on mediums when my Buzz and BPR is working great, this ball kinda burns up before making it down the lane causing a mellow backend.
But when i find oil, which is typicaly at one of my houses Ibowl at 2 times a week it is a beast. I can start the night strait up 10 and slowly move as the night goes on and keep a great line. My XD has good length a solid mdilane roll into a quick flip in the backend that really punishes pins.
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Post by: 5150BWLR on March 17, 2010, 11:45:49 AM
I ask because I have one on the way and am trying to figure out how strong I want to drill it. Right now I have 2 BPRs - One pin above bridge and one pin under ring stacked. I love both of them but want something little more earlier on oil.
I saw a few clips on youtube of the BA and they threw it on Shark from the looks of it, it played an area on shark that most people stay away from...the outside. Is the BA really that strong?
Post by: milorafferty on March 17, 2010, 11:55:24 AM
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So how strong is the BA?
I ask because I have one on the way and am trying to figure out how strong I want to drill it. Right now I have 2 BPRs - One pin above bridge and one pin under ring stacked. I love both of them but want something little more earlier on oil.
I saw a few clips on youtube of the BA and they threw it on Shark from the looks of it, it played an area on shark that most people stay away from...the outside. Is the BA really that strong?
It can be, yes. The coverstock on the BA is the most versatile I have seen from Lane Masters. So if your going to see med heavy to heavy oil, use the sheen finish and it should do fine. I have mine highly polished for the house shot we have locally and it has a beast of a back end.
I would suggest discussing with Tony or Galen @ Lane Masters for suggestions.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on March 17, 2010, 01:52:10 PM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on March 25, 2010, 09:22:45 PM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 25, 2010, 10:20:23 PM
It just hooks to much for med-kight volumes, to hard to control, but this was not its intended condition. This ball is considerably stronger than my Black pearl reactive, and very similar in strenth to my Conqueror but goes longer and turns alot harder on the back. Mine is also drilled 5 1/2 x 4 1/2, I couldn't imagine this thing drilled 4x4 or somthing on the strong side for ME. Anyone wanting to try out a LM ball this is the one you should be doing it with.
My luck I found a used Extreme damage with the EXACT same layotu as mine, as you would wonder, I DEFINITLY picked it up.
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Post by: elvismat on April 01, 2010, 08:09:27 AM
Pins explode and it reminds me of my old Yeah Baby. Last night, shot 300 playing outside, never moving. I get nice length with a strong roll to the pocket, pins explode with messengers.
Hope this is the first of many!
Post by: slap on April 01, 2010, 08:16:15 AM
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I scuffed my Xtreme Damage with the red pad, due to the over/under I've been getting. It's drilled 4 / 4, with pin above ring finger. I've been using it for the past two weeks and it's paid for itself four times over. In any case, compared to the Black Diamond, it goes a little longer with a stronger finish in the backend.
Pins explode and it reminds me of my old Yeah Baby. Last night, shot 300 playing outside, never moving. I get nice length with a strong roll to the pocket, pins explode with messengers.
Hope this is the first of many!
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Post by: Laybzz74 on April 01, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
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