Post by: ocbowler on December 23, 2007, 02:59:45 AM
Ball speed = 17 mph. Lower rev. rate est. 180 to 200 rpm.
My main concerns: I don't have a lot of hand so the BP with a higher RG diff.( 0.055) should help me get a better entry angle?
Also I read that the coverstock on the Terminator "shows very little sign of wear". How does the coverstock hold up on the Black Pearl?
Thanks for your advice!
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 23, 2007, 12:56:14 PM
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Post by: balibowler on December 23, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
Post by: charlest on December 23, 2007, 01:43:50 PM
Sanded, the BP's higher RG differential allows it to hook; polished it will provide more backend. With in-between surfaces, it will combine the two. The surface and your rev rate/ball speed combination determine where the ball will use up most of its differential in creating flare.
The Terminator, out of the box, handles more oil than the BP; sanded, its twin particles, give it a lot of traction. It should probably (no guarantess) handle heavy oil for your rev rate.
I don't know exactly how much surface/tracion you need; so if you do modify their surfaces, I suggest you do it in small stages. That way you won't pass up the grit level you need.
I also suggest you be careful about how you read the lanes with the adjusted surfaces. Too often, I see people using way too much surface, the ball burns most of its energy in the heads or the midlane, and, then they whine that the ball doesn't hook or leaves corner pins. The difference in ball reaction between burning up in the midlane and not having enough traction to make the turn can often be confused.
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Post by: banjoec on December 23, 2007, 11:15:27 PM
Edited on 12/24/2007 0:16 AM
Post by: ocbowler on December 25, 2007, 12:48:58 PM
Another factor I am concerned about is that the Terminator may be too strong for the 3rd game or even part of the 2nd. I am hoping I might "possibly" get by with the Black Pearl all 3 games provided I slow down for the 1st game.
By the way, I read a post that says the Terminator does not like wood lanes?( think he also said that all balls tend to be inconsistent on wood lanes).
Would the Black Pearl Particle work better on wood?.......still a little time to decide........
Thanks again!
Post by: Brandon Riley on December 28, 2007, 01:17:41 AM
The only ball that I can even relate the BP to in the backend was the shock trauma. Its just a monster. Its a ball you want when you are either playing deep inside or for going coast to coast. Straight up its a condition ball that dominates a certain pattern, but probably won't be used night in and night out.
There are other balls out there designed for heavy and long. Why would you want a (particle) pearl on oil?
I'd say to go with the Terminator and stick with the stuff you got for when it burns out a bit.
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Post by: Beaker300 on December 28, 2007, 09:29:02 AM
Post by: roger on December 28, 2007, 02:07:08 PM
http://www.bowlerdeal.com/product_info.php?products_id=102
Post by: charlest on December 28, 2007, 03:15:56 PM
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I found a NS2 for sale at bowlingball.com for $129 with free shipping. Here's the link.
http://www.bowlingball.com/Category/Bowling-Balls/4/190/Product.Manufacturer,Product.ProductName/10/category_4.html
too bad you weren't reading the For Sale forms here a while ago. I was/am selling an NS2 15 lb for $120 shipped (to the 48 contiguous states, of course) ... You snooze, you lose.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 28, 2007, 07:46:23 PM
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I found a NS2 for sale at bowlingball.com for $129 with free shipping. Here's the link.
http://www.bowlingball.com/Category/Bowling-Balls/4/190/Product.Manufacturer,Product.ProductName/10/category_4.html
They're only available in 16#.
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Post by: Minnesota Don on December 28, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Post by: ocbowler on December 28, 2007, 11:38:09 PM
Bowlerdeal indeed has a few balls at a great price incl. the Klong and the Big Kahuna for $99. Too bad the Terminator( which I am more inclined to now) is not on sale. The NS2 is prob. too strong for me. I'll def. check them out frequently.
Post by: Mike Austin on January 02, 2008, 07:03:42 PM
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Thank you all for the great info!
Bowlerdeal indeed has a few balls at a great price incl. the Klong and the Big Kahuna for $99. Too bad the Terminator( which I am more inclined to now) is not on sale. The NS2 is prob. too strong for me. I'll def. check them out frequently.
I think I might go the regular price for the Terminator. Man is that ball good. I have bowled at least 50 games with it practice and league, on wood, mostly oily. NO SIGNS of wear anywhere. No signs of oil soak at all. I'm using it with the box surface. More back end than the World Class Particle, still handles oil great.
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Post by: ocbowler on January 06, 2008, 01:24:52 AM
quote:quote:
Thank you all for the great info!
Bowlerdeal indeed has a few balls at a great price incl. the Klong and the Big Kahuna for $99. Too bad the Terminator( which I am more inclined to now) is not on sale. The NS2 is prob. too strong for me. I'll def. check them out frequently.
I think I might go the regular price for the Terminator. Man is that ball good. I have bowled at least 50 games with it practice and league, on wood, mostly oily. NO SIGNS of wear anywhere. No signs of oil soak at all. I'm using it with the box surface. More back end than the World Class Particle, still handles oil great.
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Post by: REvans284 on January 06, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
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LANEMASTERS=POOP
HAMMER=GOOD EQUIPMENT
Lane Masters isn't poop, and I don't think the former and current head coaches of team USA would be involved if they were. And I also believe that L/LM was the choice of equipment that won the AMFQuibica World Cup this past year (Bill Hoffman was using a Masterpiece)..
Just because a company doesn't want to shell out $100,000 to have their stuff registered on the PBA tour and then pay someone to be on staff and use it on TV doesn't mean it isn't good. It's a joke to get on here and bash a company/equipement that you've probably never even used.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 06, 2008, 11:12:21 AM
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LANEMASTERS=POOP
HAMMER=GOOD EQUIPMENT
TrackInc851 = Troll
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Post by: charlest on January 06, 2008, 11:58:33 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 06, 2008, 08:11:39 PM
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Interesting you should say that, as I had a BP and a WCP (still have the WCP) and they were identical in every aspect of reaction and roll for me, especially the backend!
Six, I am complete opposite of what you said here. I had the WCP and BP (still have the BP) and there was the difference between day and night for me. I too bowled with them at Boulevard and also at Heritage and the WCP had very little backend and no pop for me in both houses. I tried sanding it, polishing it and nothing worked. The ball simply didn't match up for me on any lane condition. Anne Marie said she didn't care too much for it either.
Out of 4 L/LM balls, the WCP, WCR, and Buzz simply don't seem to match up for me at all. The BP doesn't do too bad on SOME conditions and although I have bowled some high games with it a few times, it is not an every day type ball nor a "first ball out of bag" type of ball for me as some balls such as the Brunswick Absolute Inferno, Brunswick Total Inferno, Track Havoc, Track Heat, Storm Triple X, Storm Depth Charge, Lane 1 Enriched Uranium and Lane 1 Solid Cobalt Bomb are.
I don't have much tilt nor a lot of hand in my release and for whatever reason the balls mentioned above perform well for me most of the time when I have/had them, but unless I can tilt the ball and give it a little extra fingers which isn't my style, in my release, the L/LM balls just don't move well nor have a bit of pop on the backend.
Maybe the layouts are wrong for me, I don't know. I just wish they would work as well for me as other brands of balls do as I think L/LM balls are top quality-long lasting balls and are probably close to if not at the top of the list when it comes to quality.
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Post by: Mike Austin on January 18, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
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Need a ball for heavier and longer patterns and thought about the Anger. But for about $30 more I have decided to give LaneMasters a try. I understand the BP may not be a "true" heavy oil ball but I plan to rough it up to 800 grit if it goes too long.
Ball speed = 17 mph. Lower rev. rate est. 180 to 200 rpm.
My main concerns: I don't have a lot of hand so the BP with a higher RG diff.( 0.055) should help me get a better entry angle?
Also I read that the coverstock on the Terminator "shows very little sign of wear". How does the coverstock hold up on the Black Pearl?
Thanks for your advice!
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I haven't thrown a Black Pearl "yet", but I probably will! LOL!
From what I have seen from throwing them and drilling them over the last couple years, Lane Master balls are just tougher. They repel oil instead of absorbing it. That Diamond Particle and Carbon Particle is some tough s&*t. Resurfacing or just running LM balls on the spinner can be an ordeal. But I think this is what makes them worth the little extra money. If you take your time, buy the right one or ones, you won't have to buy as many over the long haul.
Remember, the Anger is made by Ebonite, and they like that absorb it as fast as possible idea. Not saying that is bad, just doesn't last as long and/or requires more maintenance.
Hope this helps ya...
Edited on 1/18/2008 7:05 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 18, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
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Remember, the Anger is made by Ebonite, and they like that absorb it as fast as possible idea.
What is the advantage of a ball absorbing oil. We all spend a lot of time soaking them in hot water or rejevenating them or other means to get the oil out of balls, so why in the world do they want a ball to soak oil?
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Post by: Mike Austin on January 19, 2008, 03:09:07 AM
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Remember, the Anger is made by Ebonite, and they like that absorb it as fast as possible idea.
What is the advantage of a ball absorbing oil. We all spend a lot of time soaking them in hot water or rejevenating them or other means to get the oil out of balls, so why in the world do they want a ball to soak oil?
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Brick,
To further what pooldaddy said: Ebonite wants the oil to soak into the ball so fast that it will be off the surface of the ball as it is rolling down the lane. They want the surface to be clean, and the ball will grip better. The rub comes when the ball is soaked with oil. You gotta get it out. When they came out with the One it was GB 10.2 or something. The higher that number the faster the oil soaks into the ball and off the surface of the ball. Each One after the original One had a higher number GB....
that's the general idea anyway.
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Post by: icewall on January 19, 2008, 06:46:49 AM
i think the more oil it absorbs the more/bigger pores are in the coverstock which means the coverstck would be more aggressive. and as far as i can see the only other (good) way currently to get this much friction is to use particles.
so it makes sense why the biggest hooking balls also die the fastest as they absorb the most oil/have the highest friction
i think this was covered in an article done by the usbc but it could be wrong... or maybe it was someone else that did the study.
Post by: chitown on February 01, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
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from what i remember absorbing oil is the 2nd best way to get a ball to hook. with the first being the actual lanes friction.
i think the more oil it absorbs the more/bigger pores are in the coverstock which means the coverstck would be more aggressive. and as far as i can see the only other (good) way currently to get this much friction is to use particles.
so it makes sense why the biggest hooking balls also die the fastest as they absorb the most oil/have the highest friction
i think this was covered in an article done by the usbc but it could be wrong... or maybe it was someone else that did the study.
Very true! The higher end/ more expensive equipment tends to need a lot more maintenance.
My lower end equipment seems to need a lot less maintenance and keeps the same consistant reaction for a lot more games of use!
Post by: scotts33 on February 01, 2008, 07:19:51 PM
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from what i remember absorbing oil is the 2nd best way to get a ball to hook. with the first being the actual lanes friction.
i think the more oil it absorbs the more/bigger pores are in the coverstock which means the coverstck would be more aggressive. and as far as i can see the only other (good) way currently to get this much friction is to use particles.
so it makes sense why the biggest hooking balls also die the fastest as they absorb the most oil/have the highest friction
i think this was covered in an article done by the usbc but it could be wrong... or maybe it was someone else that did the study.
How do you explain the Cell? I have one and it does not absorb oil like most of the super absorbing covers yet still hooks and rolls as much as the next big hooking ball out there.
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