Post by: charlest on February 12, 2009, 03:54:19 AM
I wonder why.
- Are they not selling for Buddies?
- Is Buddies going to discontinue carrying them?
I do know that most times when I ordered an LM ball from them, it came directly from Lane Masters in Stockton, CA. Almost every other ball came directly from Buddies in Connecticut.
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Post by: golfnutFL on February 24, 2009, 11:31:37 AM
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on February 24, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
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Post by: lsf_21 on February 24, 2009, 12:24:35 PM
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Post by: charlest on February 24, 2009, 01:37:22 PM
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sad to say but probobly a lane masters problem... they havent made a new ball in over a year and nobodys throwing them
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Maybe no one around you.
I'm afraid there's more people whining about the super-excess of new balls from most manufacturers than they are about not having issued a new ball in 5 months. The Dynamic Power came out in October, and the Black Pearl Reactive in June.
They still make them by hand. So production is a lot slower than the auotmated production facilities at Brunswick, Storm and Ebonite. I have been lead to understand that many of their current production have been earmarked for Nationals. I don't know how true that is or not.
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Post by: Pat Patterson on February 24, 2009, 04:24:58 PM
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 24, 2009, 11:53:47 PM
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Post by: Minnesota Don on February 25, 2009, 11:07:41 AM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 25, 2009, 12:08:42 PM
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The Colonel has heard that the way they are producing balls is way too expensive to generate the type of profits they need to continue. They are either going to have to manufacture cheaper and keep the current prices, or manufacture the same way and increase the current prices by $50-75 at the retail level. We know you cheapo bowlers won't be going for that, buying $150 performance at $299 retail.
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Post by: charlest on February 25, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
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I heard from a reliable source that the new Buzz Attack will be available next month, yet no release date is known for the Solid Strike.
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Post by: Scraps Z on February 26, 2009, 06:45:39 AM
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Post by: killpins on February 26, 2009, 08:05:21 AM
Quality and longevity is perhaps only a memory?
Post by: Big Jake on February 26, 2009, 08:14:15 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 28, 2009, 07:11:24 AM
Legends has a new owner from about a month ago, it is Billionaire Korean man they have started making balls again and everyone still has there job that I know of.
The Buzz Attack's are being made right now and something else but did not find out what ball it was.
So there you go they stay around and our a viable company still
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 28, 2009, 07:14:51 AM
Post by: urbanshaft on February 28, 2009, 07:16:36 AM
y did they need a new owner
i dont like that sound
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 28, 2009, 07:20:13 AM
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Post by: Atochabsh on March 07, 2009, 07:29:10 AM
They still have a great product. But now need to build back up a customer base. Their lower priced balls were total duds. And without this niche in the market they will not make it.
Erin
Post by: Big Jake on March 07, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
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....But their balls are not as dynamic but they last.
I have to disagree with you on that point I think that they are just as good if not better.
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Post by: Gazoo on March 07, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
You can't be serious. The Sure Strike and XS Power are two of the best balls on the market.
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Post by: j1kjvan on March 07, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
Post by: Zef Olantar on March 07, 2009, 12:29:17 PM
The Legends "World Class" line is simply OUTSTANDING!
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Post by: Zef Olantar on March 07, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
That is the feedback & complaints that I get from my customers.
Great to know for those that are lazy or just don't believe in cleaning their equipment after each use.
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Post by: akt22 on March 09, 2009, 03:33:02 AM
Disregarding that lane masters' equipment longetivity, compared to other companies, due to proper maintenance is like saying it doesn't matter what kind of ball you have: it's all about technique. Both completely ignore the other half of the equation: the ball dynamics themselves. Just like a brunswick twisted fury would outhook an ebonite maxim due to how its constructed, lanemasters balls will last longer compared to other big companies due to the fact they construct their balls with the best resins available as well using no fillers whatsoever. This assumes all the other remaining variables are constant: if the maxim was thrown with enough revs on a dry lane while the fury was thrown straight, of course the maxim would outhook fury. Similarly if the lanemasters ball not treated well, of course it's going to die in comparison to any ball that is properly maintained.
Post by: Atochabsh on March 09, 2009, 06:29:07 AM
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I do not know where you live but I guarantee you that when I put on a Lane Masters clinic in my home town I personally wrote the check for 47 Lane Masters balls that the people got from the excellent clinic that they attended.
I live "down the street" from their manufacering location. And I can tell you positively that they gave away too many balls to local "pro" bowlers both adult and youth. Those "pro" bowlers then went on to put on clinics and provide balls cheaper then we could through the pro shop. The clinics were so frequent at one time, that it just didn't make sense for us to carry the balls any longer. Also out price went up on the balls. If you were a shareholder, no matter how small or in debt, you got a break on the ball price and could buy them directly from Lanemasters. Once that shareholder perk was no longer in place we had to buy from our local dist. which also raised the price of the balls.
Plus I never said they had a bad product. In fact I stand behind them and always have and say they have a great product. But it is a tough sell for us at the price we have to pay for the balls. The main problem in our area is that if you want a Lanemasters ball there are ways to get it cheaper then buying from a pro shop.
Thankfully the give away balls have stopped. From what I heard too many of them were ending up on Ebay.
Erin
Post by: j1kjvan on March 09, 2009, 04:49:20 PM
I re-read my post 4 or 5 times and I guess I should have put an IMHO before the BLATANTLY FALSE statement because there is no place in the post that states that L/Lm balls out last all other equipment manufacturers bowling balls.
I, for one maintain my equipment on a regular basis and my wife will confirm that as she really likes the smell of the Lane Masters ball cleaner.
How many people do you know that maintain their equipment as you do? IMHO I suspect that you do not know 5 people that take the time to clean their equipment after they bowl every day or night. You are probably 1 in a 1,000.
Post by: charlest on March 09, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
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4 Pin
I re-read my post 4 or 5 times and I guess I should have put an IMHO before the BLATANTLY FALSE statement because there is no place in the post that states that L/Lm balls out last all other equipment manufacturers bowling balls.
I, for one maintain my equipment on a regular basis and my wife will confirm that as she really likes the smell of the Lane Masters ball cleaner.
How many people do you know that maintain their equipment as you do? IMHO I suspect that you do not know 5 people that take the time to clean their equipment after they bowl every day or night. You are probably 1 in a 1,000.
j1kjvan,
I would no longer put that figure at 1 out of 1000. More and more people are listening to "our" preaching and cleaning their balls after using them and BEFORE putting them back in the bag at more and more centers.
If they don't care and can afford to buy a new $200+ ball every 4 - 6 weeks, then fine. No amount of preaching and suggesting will change their minds. Those who prefer not to throw good money down the drain in these less than propitious times will clean their tools regularly.
A good mechanic always takes care of their tools, if they understand what their tools do for them. A slacker does not take care of their tools and it shows.
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Post by: charlest on March 10, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
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I don't know where you're getting your information from, but of the 15 or so resin balls I own, I've only had ONE die on me and that was an Ebonite particle piece.
I've got gear 8 years old that is still going strong. I don't use it, but if I want to, I know it's going to give me the look I'm used to. Maybe you don't clean and maintain your equipment, maybe nobody you know does, but if you take care of your gear ANY ball can last a number of years.
My newest piece is two years old almost, I haven't baked or resurfaced a ball in just as long and all my equipment still reacts like it did when I got it. It's all about proper maintenance.
Unfortunately, it's not just about proper maintenance. Your personal experience does not reflect that of many other people who have had Ebonite-made balls die and have not been able to "resurrect" them. ANd, no, it's not due to poor maintenance because many of them have rigorously maintained their balls. In fact, Ebonite is trying to address this problem by the introduction of the Magic which they now claim absorbs less oil and keeps its performance longer. This only means they are now following the lead of makers like Lanemasters, Visionary and Dyno-Thane & 900 Global Soaker coverstocks.
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On Edit: I'm currently using two-three year old Brunswick gear and one 7 year old Hammer piece, all work just fine. Point is, saying L/LM is the only equipment that lasts compared to "big" manufacturers stuff, is a blatantly false statement.
Yes and no. The only companies that have been proven through experience to last are the ones mentioned above, Lanemasters, Visionary and Dyno-Thane & 900 Global Soaker balls. All others experience normal loss of performance because of oil absorption. They have be cleaned more rigorously and have to be "rejuvenated" more often.
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