Post by: Fender on May 08, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
When I started, I wanted a skid/flip balls, but now, after a year of playing I'm realized, that not the look, but constancy and control is the game
Now I have:
Urethane - Light to medium.
Hornet 2500 grit - play with it on almost any conditions.
C300 Messenger Ti Traction - more rough (grey scotch brite) for long conditions.
Big R Bang (OOB) - Cannot find use for this ball. Too much backend.
Big Bang - not drilled, because of BRB reaction
High revs and medium to high speed. Pap -> 6"
I would like to try particle to get better constancy on carrydown.
I'm looking at NS2... Would it be ok?
Post by: zone on May 08, 2008, 05:51:09 PM
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Post by: jtmouse on May 08, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
Post by: Fender on May 08, 2008, 06:01:33 PM
Kong too is an option.
Kong has more length and backend than NS2. Is it so?
Of course Rico is an option, but here nobody knows that drilling. My driller too... I showed him this layout, but he was sceptical about that
Post by: D-Hammer on May 08, 2008, 06:04:28 PM
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Post by: Fender on May 08, 2008, 06:15:24 PM
Post by: D-Hammer on May 08, 2008, 06:26:50 PM
go to www.lanemastersbowling.com and look at some drillings.
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Post by: charlest on May 08, 2008, 06:27:30 PM
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Yes, Big Bang is particle, but is it not skid flip? It has the same core and RG numbers like BRB.
NO!
So what if it has the same core and the same core numbers? How does that make the reaction identical?
Ball reaction = core + cover + cover's finish + bowler's release + oil pattern + lane surface + drilling.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on May 08, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
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Post by: zone on May 08, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
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Post by: jd1319 on May 08, 2008, 09:29:34 PM
Post by: Jay on May 08, 2008, 10:21:30 PM
I have the Counter Strike which is also a Particle Pearl and I really like it. Given a good amount of oil it can get through the heads pretty clean, reads the mids a little bit, and gives a nice arcing backend motion rather than snap.
I'd say either of these will be good for arcing backends. But if you want something smooth through the whole lane you'll probably need to have plenty of oil and a completely different ball like maybe a Terminator, XS Power(not to familiar with the characteristics of these but I know they handle oil), or something dull from another company. I personally have a Rival that has a controllable backend motion but I bet it could be even more smooth from start to finish with another layout and possibly more surface.
Post by: charlest on May 08, 2008, 11:28:38 PM
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Not everybody's definition of control is the same, however, if you want one that was designed to be that ball, it is the WCPP, one of the most predictable balls on the market.
for 95% of strokers, every ball is a control ball.
The WCPP is, by design, not a control ball. Neither BTM nor BJI, the best professional testers in bowling, regard the WCPP as a control ball. The backend for the average bowler, NOT the average stroker, is HUGE. It is basically not a control ball.
Solid particle balls are USUALLY control balls for many people; particle pearls are not, for the average bowler.
Remember, guys, that your release has a HUGE effect on the ball's reaction. Do not assume that everyone's reaction is going to be exactly the same as yours for any one ball.
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Post by: zone on May 09, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
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Post by: carlitopeters on June 12, 2008, 01:24:28 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 12, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
All would do the trick for control on carrydown and make the turn enough still.
Post by: charlest on June 12, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
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Charlest: then would it be better a Sting than a Black Pearl for control in medium heavy oil? Drilled stacked? (how would you drill it for a tweener?). Thanks.
The Sting is not a control ball, neither is the Black Pearl. If you took the surface down on the Sting, by hazing the cover and removing most of the shine WITHOUT making it totally dull, it would be more towards the controllable phase. With its polished cover, it's as flippy as many pearls.
The Terminator or the COnqueror is more even reacting and rolling for medium-heavy. They're only for heavy when you take off the polish.
If you've neever drilled a Lanemasters before, I'd start with your favorite drill but put it on a used one. New ones are too expensive to experiment with L/Lm balls are slightly different for many people, with their slightly higher basic RG cores.
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Post by: REvans284 on June 13, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
For low rev players, it seems like the stronger core and cover balls give them a better and more consistant reaction so they feel like it is a good control ball, where as the heavy handers could easily get an over under reaction on wet/dry and have trouble getting it down lane on short patterns especially if drilled the least bit strong (always too much too soon).
Depending on your game, determines what will probably work best for you. For me, a weaker core ball like the TR, or WCR VS something like the BP or XS Power would fit the bill as something of a control ball. But for my fiance who is speed dominant, its backwards. Try discussing your situation with your driller, or a local coach to examin your game, and they could help you make a decision that will better suit you.
Later,
REvans284
Post by: leftyinsnellville on June 13, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
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Post by: Fender on June 26, 2008, 12:58:13 PM
and maybe XS Power...Will they overlap?
Edited on 6/26/2008 12:58 PM
Post by: charlest on June 26, 2008, 01:46:02 PM
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Thanks for the answers, I think that I will take The New Standard.
Will they overlap?
Edited on 6/26/2008 12:58 PM
They should overlap just enough to be go-to balls.
WHen the NS is too much or too early, you should be able to then use the XS Power. That is, of course, if drill them similarly and don't make large changes to the surfaces.
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