Post by: Cranking_Inferno on June 14, 2006, 06:54:54 PM
Are all LM/L's balls like this? If so these balls are worth way more than we realize.
I am looking to eventually trhwo alot more LM/L balls.
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14lb. Sahara - 11:50 Length - Medium oil
14lb. New Standard - Stacked - Medium - Dry
14lb. XXXL - Stacked - Spare ball
Post by: stanski on June 15, 2006, 03:20:23 AM
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Post by: legend4life95 on June 15, 2006, 06:27:43 AM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on June 15, 2006, 07:41:56 AM
With that type of construction, as well as the high C.O.R. of these balls, I'd be willing to bet that you would really have to TRY and crack their coverstocks; oh, and to answer your question ... no, I've never heard of any "L/L" balls cracking (although I'm sure that is possible).
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Post by: Laybzz74 on June 15, 2006, 08:15:09 AM
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Post by: Bowljr300 on June 15, 2006, 09:32:14 PM
They are made all the way down to the core, which, in my
opinion, gives these balls a hitting advantage over other
manufacturers that use "filler" material. Also, the covers
don't require resurfacing as often. Lastly, since they
don't rely upon absorption for hook, as do other balls, they don't
lose that new ball reaction as quickly or require as much
maintenance.
If I have a complaint, it's that the NIB grain can sometimes
be difficult to remove.
Edited on 6/15/2006 9:30 PM
Post by: Laybzz74 on June 16, 2006, 08:14:41 AM
As a pro shop owner, I'm sure that you're aware why ... the COR (Coefficient of Restitution on the "L/L" balls is so high. VERY durable !!!
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Post by: Nails on June 16, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
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Bowljr300,
As a pro shop owner, I'm sure that you're aware why ... the COR (Coefficient of Restitution on the "L/L" balls is so high. VERY durable !!!
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I've seen you mention the COR a few times. I've never seen these numbers published for any ball. I'd like to see what you claim to know. BTW, the COR has more to do with how the ball hits the pins and how/how much it deflects. A high COR is indeed a desirable quality, but it has nothing to do with coverstock longevity.
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Post by: Bowljr300 on June 16, 2006, 09:23:25 PM
assumed that he had misread my posting. L/L balls typically have
quite a bit a grain in them and it takes some work to smooth the
surface.
Post by: Juggernaut on June 16, 2006, 09:28:42 PM
In basic physics, it is known that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. C.O.R. is just the number that tells us how much of the energy of impact is returned to the pin upon contact. The higher the number, theoretically, the higher the pin action due to the impartation of a higher percentage of energy returned.
And as far as cover all the way down to the core, faball ( and I'm sure they weren't the only ones ) ) used to do this with all the old urethane hammers back in the day. Many ball makers soon followed suit.
Now, ebonite has done a study of this very subject and has come to the conclusion ( or so the article I read said ), that thin coverstocks over a larger inner core lets the ball have a more consistent reaction and more carry properties due to improved angle of entry.
I don't remember where I read the article, it was in a magazine down at the bowling center. I will look next time I'm there and see if I can find it. If so, I will post what magazine it was in.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on June 16, 2006, 11:16:37 PM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
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Post by: Laybzz74 on June 16, 2006, 11:21:47 PM
http://www.mybowler.com/Latest+News/1286.aspx
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
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Post by: Nails on June 17, 2006, 12:43:23 AM
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Telling it like it is.
Post by: charlest on June 17, 2006, 07:46:57 PM
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Darn. I was hoping to see some actual numbers posted. I know all ball makers must test for this. I wonder why they don't publish them? Like any number such as rg, it doesn't mean everything, but it is another variable to see what might work for you.
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Telling it like it is.
I understand from som USBC reading that there's a limit to the COR. What that limit is and how it was arrived at is not known to me. I also would like to see the numbers for some balls.
Lanemasters/Legends says, somewhere in their publishings, that their balls have very high COR numbers, but they are not published that I am aware of.
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Post by: T-GOD on June 17, 2006, 09:35:21 PM
Therefore, a 15lb. ball has a core that is 1 lb. lighter than a 16 lb. ball and a 14 lb. ball has a weight block that is 2 lbs. lighter. The more weight take out of the core, the less effect it has on the ball reaction.
So basically, a 14 lb. balls weight block/core has little impact on the ball reaction.
Lane Masters doesn't make balls lighter than 14lbs., because there won't be any weight/density to the core. =:^D
Post by: kmanestor22 on June 17, 2006, 11:00:50 PM
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C.O.R., or better known as coefficient of restitution, is the amount of energy returned to the pin as the ball contacts it.
In basic physics, it is known that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. C.O.R. is just the number that tells us how much of the energy of impact is returned to the pin upon contact. The higher the number, theoretically, the higher the pin action due to the impartation of a higher percentage of energy returned.
And as far as cover all the way down to the core, faball ( and I'm sure they weren't the only ones ) ) used to do this with all the old urethane hammers back in the day. Many ball makers soon followed suit.
Now, ebonite has done a study of this very subject and has come to the conclusion ( or so the article I read said ), that thin coverstocks over a larger inner core lets the ball have a more consistent reaction and more carry properties due to improved angle of entry.
I don't remember where I read the article, it was in a magazine down at the bowling center. I will look next time I'm there and see if I can find it. If so, I will post what magazine it was in.
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Ah, so that's why I've seen nearly two dozen ebonite balls with cracked covers personally!!!!
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Post by: raiderh20boy on June 17, 2006, 11:16:29 PM
Post by: raiderh20boy on June 17, 2006, 11:17:37 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 18, 2006, 12:44:36 AM
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Therefore, a 15lb. ball has a core that is 1 lb. lighter than a 16 lb. ball and a 14 lb. ball has a weight block that is 2 lbs. lighter. The more weight take out of the core, the less effect it has on the ball reaction.
So basically, a 14 lb. balls weight block/core has little impact on the ball reaction
Does this mean that companies like Brunswick, Lane 1, Track, Storm, and other such companies make a 15# ball to hit similar or close to a 16# and a 14# to hit similar or close to a 15# and 16#, but when L/LM makes a 14# ball, is it not nearly as strong as a 15# and 16# and a 15# not nearly as strong as a 16#, and etc.? I don't know anything about it and that is why I am asking, but the above statement causes me ask this question as I would like to know whats true and what isn't.
If that would be true, then maybe that explains why a friend of mine could never do anything with 14# L/LM balls and not able to average over the mid 170's, but when he got rid of them and switched to Storm and Ebonite, he immediately jumped overnite to the 195-200 average range with 14# balls from those two companies.
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Post by: charlest on June 18, 2006, 06:15:03 AM
quote:
quote:
Therefore, a 15lb. ball has a core that is 1 lb. lighter than a 16 lb. ball and a 14 lb. ball has a weight block that is 2 lbs. lighter. The more weight take out of the core, the less effect it has on the ball reaction.
So basically, a 14 lb. balls weight block/core has little impact on the ball reaction
Does this mean that companies like Brunswick, Lane 1, Track, Storm, and other such companies make a 15# ball to hit similar or close to a 16# and a 14# to hit similar or close to a 15# and 16#, but when L/LM makes a 14# ball, is it not nearly as strong as a 15# and 16# and a 15# not nearly as strong as a 16#, and etc.? I don't know anything about it and that is why I am asking, but the above statement causes me ask this question as I would like to know whats true and what isn't.
If that would be true, then maybe that explains why a friend of mine could never do anything with 14# L/LM balls and not able to average over the mid 170's, but when he got rid of them and switched to Storm and Ebonite, he immediately jumped overnite to the 195-200 average range with 14# balls from those two companies.
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Sure, that must be the reason ...
How can you even think that way?
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Edited on 6/18/2006 12:20 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 18, 2006, 02:48:55 PM
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Sure, that must be the reason ...
How can you even think that way?
Facts........
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