Post by: Laybzz74 on October 28, 2009, 06:13:07 AM
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Post by: charlest on October 28, 2009, 06:55:59 PM
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Laybzz74 on October 28, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 28, 2009, 10:10:52 PM
Since Tony has replaced Galen, I'd have to trust his word.
I'd ask him about the BA, if you still in doubt.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on October 28, 2009, 10:15:22 PM
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Post by: TM3 LMBowling on October 29, 2009, 12:04:06 PM
Xtreme Damage Medium load Particle Pearl
Thanks TM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on October 29, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
TM3. d you wnat to tell us what differences we will se betwern the 2
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Post by: alex on October 29, 2009, 01:31:53 PM
Post by: charlest on October 29, 2009, 03:40:44 PM
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What type of oil condition is the B.A.made for?
As far as I know, medium to medium+ oil, for average revs, average ball speed.
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Post by: alex on October 30, 2009, 11:49:21 AM
Post by: TM3 LMBowling on October 30, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
I made the Xtreme with a more versatile cover. It will come in sheen with grey pad. The backend response with Grey pad with a medium particle load is much more significant than polished. But I also took the ball to a high polish before applying grey pad to give it the clean fronts it has. Smooth through the fronts and stronger in the back.
Terminator had the hard particles so it was a little harder to match the ball to the condition unless all you wanted was hook. The cover on the Terminator could not be manipulated like the Xtreme can.
Hope that answers the questions.
TM
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on October 30, 2009, 03:09:25 PM
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What type of oil condition is the B.A.made for?
It is pretty strong. My BA goes a little longer than my Yeah Baby and moves really strong off the pattern. Probably the biggest moving symmetrical ball I own.
For instance, I was using it first shift on a fresh house shot last night and I had to throw it pretty hard to keep it from jumping too high. I switched to my Immortal Solid and was able to throw the same line without having to muscle it. My Immortal Solid has a fairly strong drill and have the coverstock at 2000 abralon. It''s a flare monster.
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Post by: afitz on October 31, 2009, 10:25:25 AM
P.S. If these new customers would have thrown legends back in the day. They would be saying the same thing I am. PLEASE OH PLEASE MR. FRED BORDEN get better. Please take over the company that you and MR. SAM BACA BUILT together.
Shots Out To JOSE CUERVO.
Post by: LaneHammer20 on October 31, 2009, 01:22:09 PM
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The fact still remains the same OLD LEGENDS PARTICLES AND RESIN FORMULATION WORKS FOR EVERY BODY. The new legends bowling balls work best for new followers. These are the people who have thrown Virtual Gravity's, Cell's, Black Widow's that won't last but 20 games etc. etc.
P.S. If these new customers would have thrown legends back in the day. They would be saying the same thing I am. PLEASE OH PLEASE MR. FRED BORDEN get better. Please take over the company that you and MR. SAM BACA BUILT together.
Shots Out To JOSE CUERVO.
I believe they are making stuff the match up to a broader group of people today moreso than their older stuff. One reason in the ability to be able o adjust the cover uch easier. The older diamond particles were just to hard to cut with regular abrlon pads or sandpaper from what I have heard. You either had a polished surface or a or a unpolished surface. That is pretty black or white.
I didnt get to roll some of the older pieces other than the Big bang which I loved, and now have a very weak drilled New standard that is money on medium to med-light patterns and shorter patterns, one I will never get rid of. I have been trying to pick up some more older pieces since they are sought after even today.
Now with what TM3 said about the Xtreme damage haveing softer particles, my only hope is are they going to have the same durability as your past releases. Maybe you can shine some light on the aspect for us.
Oh and PS, bring back a Buzz please, I am sure others will comment on this.
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Post by: afitz on October 31, 2009, 08:29:21 PM
P.S. there are plenty of buzz out there. www.bowlingballmall.com has those. The Original Absolute Power, Satisfaxion and Masterpiece are excellent for medium to medium dry patterns. If they would bring those back. You wouldn't need a buzz.
Post by: Graaille on October 31, 2009, 10:31:16 PM
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The Original Absolute Power, Satisfaxion and Masterpiece are excellent for medium to medium dry patterns. If they would bring those back. You wouldn't need a buzz.
Although I love all three of the pieces you just named, there's always room for The Buzz in my bag. All depends on your technique in playing the lanes.
Post by: charlest on November 01, 2009, 06:21:13 AM
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The Original Absolute Power, Satisfaxion and Masterpiece are excellent for medium to medium dry patterns. If they would bring those back. You wouldn''t need a buzz.
Although I love all three of the pieces you just named, there''s always room for The Buzz in my bag. All depends on your technique in playing the lanes.
I have to agree with Graaille on this one. I''ve had all thre of the above. The Buzz was a better all around ball for me.
The Masterpiece never covered medium-light for me. It was medium to medium-heavy oil ball for me. That ball had an almost particle pearl reaction for me - very strong.
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Post by: Carlos Colon on November 01, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
Post by: TM3 LMBowling on November 02, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
The Covers are very similar in formulation. Should be able to perform well in the oil. I needed to polish mine for the Medium/medium Heavy oil. I am rev dominant so this might give you a little insight on why I need polish.
The whole reason for making the covers easier to manipulate. This ball is 2 piece and will last a very long time. But I wanted to make sure it will work for many lane conditions.
I see your point about the old Particles but it is not realistic in the future. Many of you know me and the fact of the matter is we can not use that particle except for special releases. It is too hard to cut in the lathe and our maintenance bills went way up when we used the old Particle. From a business standpoint it is better to make a more versatile cover and serve more people than destroy our equipment when manufacturing the older particle balls.
I hope this gives you a little insight as to why I am developing durable easy to manipulate covers. I'm not saying we will never use the old particle again it will just be in special releases.
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Post by: zorchman on November 03, 2009, 06:56:58 PM
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you haven"t really been beaten you just been tracked
Post by: dennis_michael on November 04, 2009, 07:47:18 AM
I put my 5 y/o Terminator through a Revivor machine baking process at the proshop. I maintain it well, but was surprised to see the clear oil coming out.
When it was done, about half hour at 150*, wiped off twice, I rolled it. It lost its back end. It is now a medium lane ball.
Any recommendations?
Post by: charlest on November 04, 2009, 09:37:53 AM
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Tony,
I put my 5 y/o Terminator through a Revivor machine baking process at the proshop. I maintain it well, but was surprised to see the clear oil coming out.
When it was done, about half hour at 150*, wiped off twice, I rolled it. It lost its back end. It is now a medium lane ball.
Any recommendations?
FWIW -
Most procedures for this recommend sanding the ball dull, like around 400 grit, before using the Revivor. Seems the theory is it opens up the pores to let the oil out more easily. Afterwards, you bring the surface back up to spec.
Sometimes balls need more time than 30 minutes. It has probably soaked up a lot if it has lost some performance.
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Post by: killpins on November 04, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
is The oven method good to reduce the longevity of the ball and his performances?
Any suggestions?
Post by: Graaille on November 05, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
However a Revivor oven is the preferred way of extracting oil (as far as the ball manufacturers are concerned) due to it''s ability to maintain a consistant level of heat (120-130 degrees) over a long period of time.
And now that we''ve gotten wildly OT from the original post - back to any/all questions about the XD/BA please.
Edited on 11/5/2009 4:36 PM
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 05, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
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Post by: dennis_michael on November 06, 2009, 06:34:50 AM
After practicing quite a few times with my Terminator on fresh oil, Its finish came back, the revs are up, and its again slamming the pins. My take is that I was on less oil than I needed. It was probably rolling out. I love oil.
Now back to the topic.
Post by: killpins on November 06, 2009, 09:07:48 AM
i'm agree with you about old legends, in fact my arsenal include only old lanemaster model but the first Buzz is very very good ball that it can cover many condition from light to medium + ( keep in mind own style, rev rate speed)
about the buzz attack i read the BTM review and the post on this site, probably it can be a good ball but my opinion is another : Legends are known for a 2piece construction and the movement on the lane and the impact is awesome, also the longevity of the ball vs another brand (with the same maintenance) is higher so the buzz attack is not a 2 piece construc so is life will be long or as an Ebonite ?
I wrote ebonite because i drilled many ebonite and i know their life (very good ball but 100% on first games and 50% or less after 50/60 games).
Now i had the opportunity to buy a pair of Big Kahuna, Masterpiece and Yeah Baby nib from a seller so i will extend my arsenal to others (probably) excellent old balls.
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 06, 2009, 11:46:23 AM
I will say I am unsure they made the Buzz attack a non 2 piece since all the other in that line were truew 2 pieces. still looks like a awesome ball and one I will be picking up sooner or later.
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Post by: WHOS THAT on November 06, 2009, 08:36:52 PM
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There non 2 piece balls will still last way longer than any other companies. They still use the same grade A resin that doesn't allow oil to absorb as easily. Along with from the ones I have sen they are fairly thick. Like 5/8 to wqhat looks like 7/8.
I will say I am unsure they made the Buzz attack a non 2 piece since all the other in that line were truew 2 pieces. still looks like a awesome ball and one I will be picking up sooner or later.
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What is sandbagging???
Pick one up! I picked one up three weeks ago, I'm beyond impressed with it's consistance, and pin carry. It gives me a whole new look.
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Fall Arsenal 2009
Terminator
Terminator Rebellion
Buzz Attack
Xtreme Damage (Coming Soon)
Black Diamond
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