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Equipment Boards => Lane Masters => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on October 01, 2013, 10:03:33 AM
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Does anybody have anything on this ball...
I cant even find nothing on the web besides maybe a few pictures and ball specs...
Did this company go out of business...
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Lane Masters was bought up by another company and is now producing balls again. Since you posted in this forum, just go look into the previous posts for the past 2 - 4 months to see what's been happening.
This is their current web site: http://www.lane-masters.com/ (http://www.lane-masters.com/)
I do not know if LM is again using diamond dust as the particles in their current lineup but they are making particle balls.
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Searched the site and web and cant find anything on the ball - Thanks
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Searched the site and web and cant find anything on the ball - Thanks
The "Red Diamond" is a particle pearl.
I suspect there is no ball called the "Diamond Particle Pearl", for reasons sited above, but anything is possible.
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Additionally, there was a Black Diamond (particle ball but not a pearl) and a Black Pearl (particle pearl, but no "diamond" in the name).
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the 1st New Standard had it and New Standard 2 i believe had it.. that was years ago and a lot has changed since then :)
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the 1st New Standard had it and New Standard 2 i believe had it.. that was years ago and a lot has changed since then :)
Yup, a whole bunch of the original Legends by LaneMasters balls had them (Yeah Baby!, Big Kahuna, Black Diamond, Black Pearl, etc.), but I believe he's looking for a brand new ball by that SPECIFIC name. I have not heard of it from the NEW Lane Masters company.
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Found this link finally...
This is what I was looking for....
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/15-lane-masters/254-new-standard#jr_reviewUserSummaryMainTitle
This is my ball I bought for $20
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Found this link finally...
This is what I was looking for....
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/15-lane-masters/254-new-standard#jr_reviewUserSummaryMainTitle
This is my ball I bought for $20
That's the original New Standard, the ball that put Lane Masters "on the map". It came out in 2006. It used diamond dust as the particles in the coverstock. "Diamond Particle" was the coverstock name, not the ball name. No wonder you had us all going around in circles. It was a solid/pearl combo, not a pearl.
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The Yeah Baby had the Diamond Particle high load and I loved that ball, had two of them. Legends/Lane Masters had to make a change with the diamond particles because of the hardness and keeping USBC happy. Just my $.02, Bruce
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The Yeah Baby and New Standard 2 need medium to heavy oil on the lanes unless you have high ball speed. The New Standard and Big Kahuna are better suited for medium oil. The Diamond particle coverstock is one of the most durable I have used...rolled hundreds of games with mine and still have the same good ball reaction with very little wear on the coverstock.
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Last and final question...
I have only thrown this ball maybe twice....
It seems to respond like the Cuda C with it reaction but just alittle more agressive...
Not good on ball specs but the drilling look about the same and the reactions seem to be about the same... Read the information on the ball and it said the ball would skid down the lane on oil and then once it hits the dry it will spin up... That is about the same as the Cuda C...
Really thanks for all the help...
Maybe I just need to get on the lanes and test but Oil is hard the find these days in my area..
Probably will use it tonight - Hard rumors about fluilding the lanes for once this season..
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Zanatos,
There's 10 years difference in design and the Cuda is plain resin while the New Standard is particle. Words used to describe each do not show the difference between them. No way on heaven and earth do they react the same. Due to house oil patterns & lane surfaces, drillings, bowler's release and delivery, amount of use and many other factors, they may appear similar under certain circumstances. I have had a Cuda and A Super Cuda and still have my New Standard. At a bare minimum, the NS handles a whole lot more oil than a Cuda could.
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Found this link finally...
This is what I was looking for....
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/15-lane-masters/254-new-standard#jr_reviewUserSummaryMainTitle
This is my ball I bought for $20
Jbungard.s "Still Relevant After All These Years" review on the NS is on the mark. I still use my New Standard first out of bag. I find as a Stroker ball works best with surface 800 grit gray pad no polish. A good medium to medium heavy oil ball.
Link to original flyer
http://lanemasters.net/marketing/Balls/Retired%20Balls/Legends_NewStandard/Leg_NS_BK_Flyer.pdf (http://lanemasters.net/marketing/Balls/Retired%20Balls/Legends_NewStandard/Leg_NS_BK_Flyer.pdf)
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The Yeah Baby had the Diamond Particle high load and I loved that ball, had two of them. Legends/Lane Masters had to make a change with the diamond particles because of the hardness and keeping USBC happy. Just my $.02, Bruce
Just curious about a change with diamond particles and the hardness. I thought as long as the hardness was greater than 72 it would be accepted. NS and YB is 72-74. Why would USBC prohibit L/M from using DPs in their coverstock?
I was kind of hoping the NEW L/M would bring back a ball with a DIAMOND PARTICLE cover.
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Hey Boss, It's not the cover stock hardness, it's the hardness of the particle they add to the cover stock! Just like the hardness of the cores and what they put inside of them have changed. Lane Masters told me before they went out of business that changed to the carbon particle to try to match the diamond particle as close as possible. Just my $.02, Bruce
From USBC website:
Material
1. The ball shall be constructed of solid material i.e., no liquids and without voids in its interior.
2. Any material added to or included in the coverstock shall be equally distributed throughout the
entire coverstock of the ball, except for materials used in logos and other required markings.
3. The density of any piece/component in a ball (e.g. core, coverstock, weight block, etc.) shall
not exceed 3.80 g/mL (i.e., no pure metals or high density materials).
4. Following approval of the ball, the introduction of substances that are not comparable to the
original material used in manufacturing of a bowling ball is prohibited. Likewise, altering a
bowling ball in any way so as to increase its weight or cause it to be off balance outside the
specifications is prohibited.
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Hey Boss, It's not the cover stock hardness, it's the hardness of the particle they add to the cover stock! Just like the hardness of the cores and what they put inside of them have changed. Lane Masters told me before they went out of business that changed to the carbon particle to try to match the diamond particle as close as possible. Just my $.02, Bruce
From USBC website:
Material
1. The ball shall be constructed of solid material i.e., no liquids and without voids in its interior.
2. Any material added to or included in the coverstock shall be equally distributed throughout the
entire coverstock of the ball, except for materials used in logos and other required markings.
3. The density of any piece/component in a ball (e.g. core, coverstock, weight block, etc.) shall
not exceed 3.80 g/mL (i.e., no pure metals or high density materials).
4. Following approval of the ball, the introduction of substances that are not comparable to the
original material used in manufacturing of a bowling ball is prohibited. Likewise, altering a
bowling ball in any way so as to increase its weight or cause it to be off balance outside the
specifications is prohibited.
I can't find the video on bowl.com anymore, but they showed portions of the ball approval process and there is one test for particle hardness that utilizes a curved glass plate. They hold the glass plate against the ball while it is on the spinner and if the glass plate is scratched then the ball isn't approved since the particles are too hard.
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OK I understand the hardness of the particles now. Thanks for clearing that up. So I guess the NS and YB is grandfathered in but can not be manufactured under today's USBC standards.
Another question. What was the reason that USBC gave for prohibiting the diamond particles?
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OK I understand the hardness of the particles now. Thanks for clearing that up. So I guess the NS and YB is grandfathered in but can not be manufactured under today's USBC standards.
Another question. What was the reason that USBC gave for prohibiting the diamond particles?
I would presume it had something to do with reducing or eliminating lane wear... after all, if it scratches glass, it's going to do more than blow the pattern apart.
On edit - found the video. Particle hardness test is at the 5:07 mark http://www.youtube.com/v/J2wKCSRw3WA&hl=en&fs=1& (http://www.youtube.com/v/J2wKCSRw3WA&hl=en&fs=1&)
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Looked like L/M found the best friction additive possible and then was prohibited from using it in future balls. Am I correct I saying that the only L/M balls that have the Diamond Particle cover are the New Standard , the New Standard 2, the Yeah Baby, and the Big Kahuna? And I guess that is why the New Standard Limited was not approved. It has the exact same specs as the NS and is on the non-conforming list.
J_Mac thanks for the video, Never seen that one.
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Looked like L/M found the best friction additive possible and then was prohibited from using it in future balls. Am I correct I saying that the only L/M balls that have the Diamond Particle cover are the New Standard , the New Standard 2, the Yeah Baby, and the Big Kahuna? And I guess that is why the New Standard Limited was not approved. It has the exact same specs as the NS and is on the non-conforming list.
J_Mac thanks for the video, Never seen that one.
But somehow, the Carbon particles were approved by the USBC and used in many other balls, like the original Big Bang, and they were barely "softer" than the diamond dust used in the Legend series. I learned that from Johnnie Jones, one the original owners of LaneMasters.
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Question - Is the New Standard legal to use in a Tournament...
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Question - Is the New Standard legal to use in a Tournament...
Of course. It's been approved a long time ago. They don't withdraw approvals.
They can change the specs for new balls, but they don't change them retroactively.
The Ebonite Vortex II, the original V2 solid, has an RG that is too low, 2,45, by current standards, but if you have one, it is still legal to use because it has already been approved. The same is true for the Visionary Centaur AMB Solid, whose RG Differential is .062", which is over the current standard of .060". It has been approved and is still legal. If you use it to throw an honor score, that score will be approved, because the ball is still approved.
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I use an Immortal Pearl with a .78 Differental and that was BEFORE I drilled it. I have NO idea what it has with holes in it. don
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I use an Immortal Pearl with a .78 Differental and that was BEFORE I drilled it. I have NO idea what it has with holes in it. don
1.5"??? :D :D :D
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Used it for the 1st time a complete 3 games..
This ball does change the pattern on the lanes... It will change the pattern and create a path and will turn when it hit friction..
Thanks for the help ...