Post by: Pat Patterson on December 17, 2010, 04:14:09 PM
STING WIDOW MAKER #1961 (3" PIN ABOVE/RT OF RF, 45* X 3 3/4" X 35*, WH 1" DOWN CENTERLINE/VAL, CG 2" RT OF CL AND 1/2" ABOVE MIDLINE)
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Pat Patterson
Post by: John D Davis on December 18, 2010, 01:52:40 AM
Reason why I ask is because of todays balls andtheir flare potential, I get more out of a ball without shifting the weight and especially without using weight holes, etc. I love some of those balls that are drilled pin down with the cg closer to thumb. BTW, that resurection looks sweet!
Post by: Pat Patterson on December 18, 2010, 02:22:56 AM
The Pin-up and Rico stuff I have isn't really conducive to my home center since they switched to the USBC White pattern, but I figured I would try another Pin-up version again with this one based on Galen's suggestion. If it doesn't work, then Oh Well it will probably work somewhere. I have had really good success with pin-down stuff, but really didn't want to drill it like my existing Sting.
I guess I will have to save the Label Leverage drilling for 1 of the 3 Black Diamond Pearl Particles I will be getting when they get released. Most likely will go with: Label Leverage on one, Pin-Down on the other and maybe RICO on the 3rd.
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Pat Patterson
Post by: Pat Patterson on December 22, 2010, 10:44:57 PM
Finally got a chance to use this ball tonight after league play. I was able to roll about a game and a half and comparing it to my Ultimate Power it was very similar in shot shape, but pin carry was a lot different than other Lane Masters equipment. It threw alot of pins sideways and kept them pretty low but just kinda scatterred them around (a little different than I am used to seeing). I was able to play the same line as my Ultimate Power (drilled Rico), projecting the ball from the 12-13 board at the arrows out to/around the 8-9 board at the 45' marker with a very good and predictable arc back to the pocket. I plan on throwing it again tonight after league play to see how it compares to others in my arsenal. I will report out after more extensive practice tonight. One thing I did notice is the ball did not want to recover when missed right, maybe due to operator error? Inclusive at this time, maybe thursday will reveal something different about the ball. Again, I will update after more use. -
Edited by Pat Patterson on 1/6/2011 at 8:51 AM
Post by: Pat Patterson on January 06, 2011, 07:53:22 AM
Got a chance to use the Sting Widow Maker for the first time since my original posting. League play has been on hiatius due to the holidays and my Original Sting had been performing so well as of late that I didn't see a need to switch equipment. Last night I decided to use the SWM in warm ups and it felt ok, it was actually outhooking my Sting by a couple of boards and a little earlier. So I decided to use it, proceeded to open up with a solid 10, then three straigh 7 pins. At this point I was starting to doubt myself and my ball choice, stayed with it and shot 222 with a missed 10 pin in the 8th. Next game proceeded to throw the front 9 before a hiccup in the 10th (left the 5-8) and shot 278, closed with a 218 for a 718 Series with one open frame.
The ball on this night as previously discussed above, has the tendency to throw the pins a little more sideways then most of the LM balls I own. I never had to change lines throughout the night, the ball excelled on a shot that I sometimes have trouble with when bowling against opponenets who all throw straight plastic right up and all over the right side. Usually need something that can handle carrydown better, but the SWM had no issues with it.
I plan on using it a little more since leagues are back into full swing and will report out in a few more days.
Pat Patterson
Post by: Pat Patterson on January 08, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
Update: Jan 7, 2011
Used the Sting Widow Maker in league tonight on my THS. Shot 246-246-222=714 with front 29 marks(opened in the 10th of last game). The SWM on this night did not do anything that surprised my other than just consistently getting to the pocket, except the last ball which I pulled through the nose. Pin carry is still different from others in my LM stable as it tends to throw them around low on the deck. Only left a couple of solid 10's, most strikes reacted like light hits but only a few were light. Kind of strange pin reaction of you ask me.
None the less, the ball is a keeper. Maybe I'll tinker with the coverstock a little and give more feedback later.
Pat Patterson
Post by: I am batman on January 18, 2011, 01:27:59 PM
Pat, sounds like a great ball. I have a Hornet and love it. It works well on the white. But I have to keep angles straight. I really want this new version of the sting. When is it available?
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Post by: Pat Patterson on January 19, 2011, 01:14:18 AM
Buddiesproshop.com has them on their website.
Pat Patterson
Post by: charlest on January 19, 2011, 06:28:35 AM
There's also a review of the Sting WM (& the Terminator Resurrection) in the Jan.2011 issue of Bowlers' Journal.
I had seen the coverstock called "Venom Hybrid" but wasn't sure what it meant. BJI described it as a pearl/solid combination with a medium load of particles. I thought that was interesting as I don't recall a Lanemasters ball being described that before (even though many previous Legends balls "appeared" to have some pearl in them, they were always termed, "solids".)
FYI BJI also called the Sting Widowmaker, Lanemasters best benchmark among the past few balls they tested.
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Post by: dennis_michael on January 20, 2011, 06:05:42 AM
The pearl/solid hybrid cover intrigued me as well. Mine gets more length then my Terminator, and has a stronger back end to finish. I roll outside of my Terminator's track. The WM revs up more on the back end.
The interesting thing Pat mentioned is the pin reaction being hit. This ball does hit the pins sideways a lot more then my Terminator. Slashing pins on the deck results in more pins being knocked down.
Post by: Pat Patterson on February 01, 2011, 07:25:24 AM
Threw the Sting Widow Maker again last wednesday during league play and proceeded to shot:
245-256-259=760
Everybody in league loves the ball reaction, I would have to agree.
Pat Patterson
Post by: charlest on February 01, 2011, 10:14:06 AM
Great bowling, Pat, yet again .... 
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.You need to enter a few more tournaments to pay for all these balls. 
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Post by: Shaggy on February 01, 2011, 09:02:09 PM
Nice bowling Pat!!!
You will not see me on the PBA Tour, but I love the game!!!
Post by: Minnesota Don on February 09, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
Getting a Sting WM drilled out tomorrow, need to decide what pattern to use and would like some insight if anyone can help out? My Black Diamond Solid has a great look, I expect the SWM to be a bit less aggressive but I'm not sure at this point. Can anyone advise what the look will be if I drill the SWM the same as the BDS? Will it go longer, have less overall hook? Anyone with experience of throwing both ball? Thanks in advance.
Post by: dennis_michael on February 09, 2011, 09:40:25 AM
Drilled mine label leverage. Can only compare it to my Terminator. It gets more length and a sharper back end. I use it outside of my Term path and it is strong.
Last week had 230-236-278 in league. 7th 27X with it this year. It's gonna pop for a 300.
Post by: milorafferty on February 09, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
I use both balls. My Black Diamond is not near as strong as my Sting WM. The shot shape is also very different. The BD has a very angular shot shape, very hard off the friction with little read of the heads and only a little of the midlane. Very unusual for a solid particle ball, but I have to say it's the most angular ball I have used from Lane Masters including the original Buzz. The Sting WM is one continuous hook to the pocket. Nothing fancy, just one big arching move from around the end of the heads, through the mids with a nice pop off the friction.
For me, the Sting WM is better for heavy or longer oil than the DB, with the DB really showing its stuff when the shot starts to break down or there is a bit of carry down and you need that extra recovery at the break point. The Sting WM works best on fresh as it seems to temper down the effects of over/under where the DB can make it much worse, depending on how much hand you have.
Your mileage may vary!
Just a mention, I should have the Black Diamond Particle Pearl this weekend.
Post by: Minnesota Don on February 09, 2011, 10:53:13 AM
To clarify, when I said solid I was referring to the BD reactive ball and not the solid particle. My reactive has the stronger move of the two. Both are clean through the heads and the particle will move off the dry where the reactive will be less angular but stronger than the particle. I'm hoping the Sting WM will fit between them when the reactive starts to jump and there is more oil than the particle will handle. In the two houses I bowl in the oil is longer with shorter back ends and the BD particle needs dry to make a read and move to the pocket where the reactive with a similar drill reads earlier and stronger.
Post by: I am batman on February 14, 2011, 07:59:45 AM
Got my SWM this week. Beautiful ball. I drilled it 60X5.5X40. This puts the pin above the middle finger, cg slightly right of center line. I am right handed. My center uses the white#2 pattern. This pattern "feels " dry to me. I threw three games in league last night. The 5.5" pin to pap allowed me to go pretty straight with the boards. Carry was decent. after the second game I was able to open up (12 to 5) with a little harder hit. This ball with this drilling doesn't like oil much. It rolls very smooth. It hits and carries well. The pin were flying horizontally across the deck. I threw my Hornet (label leverage) on the same shot and the SWM was about 4 boards stronger. I think that the smoothness of this ball allows you to use a stonger drill pattern if you want to open the angles up.
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Post by: Bowl_Freak on March 18, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
Just drilled up my WidowMaker i bought of BR.com used, only had to plug fingers. Ball also had Vise IT which is a first for me too. So i had a thumb made and tried it out. Ive tried the Turbo Switchgrip and didnt like it at all so i was a little skeptical with the Vise IT. As practice drew to an end, i grew confident in my thumb and the WidowMaker was rolling nice and strong so i decided to throw it. Its amazing the carry i got from it. Pins flying sideways unlike any other lanemasters/legends balls i have, which i have 3 BlackDiamonds and an Ultimate Power. Not a real skid/snap reaction, just a real strong arc and tremendous recovery and carry. Ended up shooting 228-234-267/729 series. Ball is drilled pin next to ring(on the lower side), and the CG is stacked below.
Fall Arsenal
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Post by: Bowl_Freak on March 18, 2011, 06:30:30 PM
Just drilled up my WidowMaker i bought of BR.com used, only had to plug fingers. Ball also had Vise IT which is a first for me too. So i had a thumb made and tried it out. Ive tried the Turbo Switchgrip and didnt like it at all so i was a little skeptical with the Vise IT. As practice drew to an end, i grew confident in my thumb and the WidowMaker was rolling nice and strong so i decided to throw it. Its amazing the carry i got from it. Pins flying sideways unlike any other lanemasters/legends balls i have, which i have 3 BlackDiamonds and an Ultimate Power. Not a real skid/snap reaction, just a real strong arc and tremendous recovery and carry. Ended up shooting 228-234-267/729 series. Ball is drilled pin next to ring(on the lower side), and the CG is stacked below.
Fall Arsenal
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Post by: milorafferty on March 21, 2011, 08:00:07 AM
Good to hear that ball is working for you. I just didn't have a place in my bag for it, so it's nice that someone is getting use of it!
Post by: tennesseebubba on March 28, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
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