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truexmiracle

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Legend vs Storm
« on: May 02, 2006, 02:04:20 AM »
Anyone knows what the Legend ball has almost the same specification or hook potential as the Storm Trifecta..??

 I currently have a Trifecta but want to change to a L/L ball but not sure which on has the same hook potential.. and from what I've been reading the L/L balls are wrecking machines...
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 10:34:00 AM »
It's always difficult to compare between companies....but , let's start here:

On what type/s of conditions do you use your Trifecta?
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 10:37:33 AM »
Very difficult comparison, since both companies follow almost contracictive ball philosophies:

Storm: strong core (huge flare potential, low RG), rather weak coverstock
Legends: weak core (lower flare, medium RG), but strong coverstock

I think it will be hard to find parallels for a good tip.
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 10:42:33 AM »
It's for Medium oily to oily lanes... I'm thinking between the New standard or the World class...

Sorry but whats Flare potential and RG.. I'm not that good with the terms..
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 10:44:39 AM »
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Storm: strong core (huge flare potential, low RG), rather weak coverstock


I would never have thought of a particle SFA as "weak".

How about turning the question around a little.  What Legends/LaneMasters would have similar movement and oil handling for the intended condition of the Trifecta (medium-heavy or more)?  Solid reactive, dull medium-load particle, whatever.

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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 10:53:14 AM »
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Storm: strong core (huge flare potential, low RG), rather weak coverstock


I would never have thought of a particle SFA as "weak".

How about turning the question around a little.  What Legends/LaneMasters would have similar movement and oil handling for the intended condition of the Trifecta (medium-heavy or more)?  Solid reactive, dull medium-load particle, whatever.

SH



I've always read that the coverstock and core of th L/L balls are the strongest out on the market right now.. so I must agree with you Shelley

Also, That's a good was to word it.. so:
  "What Legends/LaneMasters would have similar movement and oil handling for the intended condition of the Trifecta (medium-heavy or more)?"
I don't really like dull balls but I guess whatever works..
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 11:06:01 AM »
A lot of L/LM stuff can handle medium heavy stuff.....right now, I'd lean toward the World Class.  Nice midlane reading, good reving particle solid.
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 01:20:27 PM »
Medium to medium-heavy:
New Standard - earlier rolling/breakpoint
World Class - later rolling/breakpoint

Medium-heavy to heavier oil:
Yeah Baby! - good length, slightly later (than Big Bang), rolling/breakpoint
Big Bang - earlier rolling/strong breakpoint
Both strong backends.
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 01:27:12 PM »
Thanx Charlest, That helped alot.. I just changed my form so I'll have to play around with it until i find out if i like the ball to roll early or late..

They all have strong back ends rights..?? Also, when I read people's layout what do they actually mean by when they drilled it to be stacked..?? Like maximum hook..??
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 05:12:39 PM »
Dizzyfugu,
 Legends/LaneMasters have weak cores ??? Hmmmmmmmmmm ...
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2006, 05:40:51 PM »
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They all have strong back ends rights..?? Also, when I read people's layout what do they actually mean by when they drilled it to be stacked..?? Like maximum hook..??


I wouldn't say the AP and the NS have strong backends; I'd say they were strong hooking balls when used on their appropriate oil pattern for the bowler's release. (Butthen most balls should be close to that.)

STacked usually but not always means that the CG is below the pin but the line from pin to CG parallels the grip line (the line from between the finger holes to the center of the thumb hole. HOWEVER, this is rarely a 75 degree leverage drilling (which is a true "stacked leverage" which is pin and CG at 3 3/8" from PAP and pin approx 2" above the midline).

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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2006, 06:29:12 PM »
Okay that help me alot Thanx, Charlest.. I understand how things are positioned..  

I was planning on gettin the NS but then since it doesn have such a strong backend i'm thinking twice about it..

so.. would stacked give the ball more of a hook..??
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 12:57:51 AM »
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Okay that help me alot Thanx, Charlest.. I understand how things are positioned..  

I was planning on gettin the NS but then since it doesn have such a strong backend i'm thinking twice about it..

so.. would stacked give the ball more of a hook..??


In my experience so far -
The Yeah Baby! has a stronger backend  than the NS but needs more oil.
The Big Kahuna is similar in oil handling to the NS but goes longer and thus has a stronger looking backend.
The World Class (my personal tetsing is not yet complete) but seems to need the same oil as the Yeah Baby but has an even stronger backend.

If you got an NS with a 4" pin-CG, and placed the pin above the bridge level at about 4" from your PAP (wherevere that may wind up being) and stacked the CG below, that would get you a stronger, flippier backend.

TRUE stacked leverage gets you maximum imbalance, maximum flare - therefore maximum hook and usually maximum reaction (if the pin is at the right height; lower pin get you earlier roll but strong overall hook). It can be very flippy. Emphasis on "can".
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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 09:19:26 AM »
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In my experience so far -
The Yeah Baby! has a stronger backend  than the NS but needs more oil.
The Big Kahuna is similar in oil handling to the NS but goes longer and thus has a stronger looking backend.
The World Class (my personal tetsing is not yet complete) but seems to need the same oil as the Yeah Baby but has an even stronger backend.

If you got an NS with a 4" pin-CG, and placed the pin above the bridge level at about 4" from your PAP (wherevere that may wind up being) and stacked the CG below, that would get you a stronger, flippier backend.

TRUE stacked leverage gets you maximum imbalance, maximum flare - therefore maximum hook and usually maximum reaction (if the pin is at the right height; lower pin get you earlier roll but strong overall hook). It can be very flippy. Emphasis on "can".
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This has helped me ssoooo much.. thanx for the teachin'.. I've checked the Trifecta I'm using and the current drilling is something like this..The pin is like 1.5 inches from the fingering.. and the rest im not too sure.. too bad we can post pictures up or else i would take a picture and post it up...
       
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Less or mediumbackend would give me more fo a control hook is that correct also..??

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Re: Legend vs Storm
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 11:59:28 AM »
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I've checked the Trifecta I'm using and the current drilling is something like this..The pin is like 1.5 inches from the fingering.. and the rest im not too sure.. too bad we can post pictures up or else i would take a picture and post it up...
       
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Less or mediumbackend would give me more fo(r) a control hook is that correct also..??


Not sure what you are trying to say in the above sentence.

The Trifecta, being a DULL, SOLID Particle ball with a very strong core, is intended, I believe, to handle medium-heavy heavy oil for the average bowler. This means that, in general, it is very like the Legends New Standard, in that it should be an early rolling meant for control.

Some releases with more axis tilt and/or more revs than average or when used in very heavy head oil, can make the ball appear more flippy, (but not flippy in any sense of the word). Polish combined with high pins can, again, make the ball look more flippy than expected. (Keep in mind that I have not seen this ball in action, but its specs (both cover, finish and core) make this fairly obvious.

That drilling, FOR THE AVERAGE RELEASE OF THE AVERAGE BOWLER, is a control-type drill, but can be almost anythign depending ont he usual factors (release, oil pattern, etc).

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