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Equipment Boards => Lane Masters => Topic started by: lbfewell on August 21, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
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Hey guys, looks whats next from Lane Master. With the move to bring back the old classics, the next up is the Buzz Legend. This will most likely be my next purchase, having a hard time choosing with all the new stuff.
http://www.lane-masters.com/ (http://www.lane-masters.com/)
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Lane Masters is making great stuff! If you don't have one yet I think the Black Pearl Blue Ocean is a MUST have ball. Just ordered a Power Strike and will most likely get the Buzz Legend too!
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I am torn between the new Buzz and the Black Pearl Blue Ocean. I liked the original Xtreme Damage, and will eventually pick up the XDP. So many new releases, this is making decisions so hard, but that's a good thing.
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Here's the info on the Buzz Legend
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FYI, I have two being delivered today.
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Here's the info on the Buzz Legend
LM/LF needs to put out all 14 lb ball specs on LM/LF balls to the buying public. Not having 14 lb. ball specs with the same core is leaving out pertinent information that some buyers would like to know before purchasing. Personally, I look at all numbers of 14's before I decide to buy. I would hazard a guess 25% of the market is 14 lb'ers.
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Here's the info on the Buzz Legend
LM/LF needs to put out all 14 lb ball specs on LM/LF balls to the buying public. Not having 14 lb. ball specs with the same core is leaving out pertinent information that some buyers would like to know before purchasing. Personally, I look at all numbers of 14's before I decide to buy. I would hazard a guess 25% of the market is 14 lb'ers.
+1. Core number for some companies dramatically change and can have a big differences from 14-16. Especially pre-USBC ruling
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I think that the buzz legend might be the next ball I get. Like you said very hard to decide, there are alot good balls available from Lane Masters/ Lord Field. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
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I just got my Buzz Legend this morning. I am going to punch it up in a couple of hours.
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So the 14lb balls dont't have the same core that the 15 & 16's have? Was gonna pick up a buzz just to try it but not if the 14s have a different core
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So the 14lb balls dont't have the same core that the 15 & 16's have? Was gonna pick up a buzz just to try it but not if the 14s have a different core
core is probably the same shape but density is different to lose that 1 or 2 pounds. Because of the two piece construction I think that's about the only way to change ball weights.
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The Legend is a Mid Rg and Low Diff. ball, this ball has the same #'s or close to the Old Buzz's, that's all the info you really need, as soon as you punch holes in any ball, the core specs change, then it's up to drilling & surface prep to match-up to a lane.
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As a consumer, anyone that wants to know a spec. on any 14 - 16 lb balls should have that info. available to them.
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I doubt not seeing numbers for all 3 weights is going to affect sales, all you need is the average numbers for the 15 pound range, a point or 2 up or down is not going to be critical.
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As an example would these numbers on each ball (same ball brand and model) react the same with the same layout and surface?
Weight RG Diff MB
14 2.51 .053
15 2.52 .045
16 2.53 .041
I doubt not seeing numbers for all 3 weights is going to affect sales, all you need is the average numbers for the 15 pound range, a point or 2 up or down is not going to be critical.
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Hey Suhoney24, don't get lost in the translation, this ball comes in 14, 15 & 16 with the same core, when you change from 1 pound to another, the Rg & Diff. numbers slightly change but it's the same ball.
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Core specs of the original Buzz
(and Sting, Hornet, Buzz Premium Edition, Sting Widow Maker):
15 lb.: RG of 2.549 and RG Diff of .031
14 lb.: RG of 2.634 and RG Diff of .015
(See: http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html)
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Even though cover is the most important aspect of ball reaction, some of these companies use cores from pre 2006 which boast huge differences from 14-16 lbs (ie the Fe2 core from the hyroad). Nowadays, most companies keep the numbers closer. It is just nice to know. As I moved down from 15 to 14 there were balls I had that I read and rolled with the same layout and didn't react the same way in a noticeable difference.
Example. My 15lb Morich Ravage with same layout and cover prep can cover the entire lane while my 14lb Ravage hooks much sooner and is 5 boards left of the 15. This is in no way me saying that this is a difference that every bowler will see, but it can entice or deter bowlers buying balls.
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Core specs of the original Buzz
(and Sting, Hornet, Buzz Premium Edition, Sting Widow Maker):
15 lb.: RG of 2.549 and RG Diff of .031
14 lb.: RG of 2.634 and RG Diff of .015
(See: http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html)
Great research Charlest. That would deter me unless I were looking for a specific reaction type or layout. RG too high and diff too low in 14 to be useable for most patterns I bowl on.
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Core specs of the original Buzz
(and Sting, Hornet, Buzz Premium Edition, Sting Widow Maker):
15 lb.: RG of 2.549 and RG Diff of .031
14 lb.: RG of 2.634 and RG Diff of .015
(See: http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html)
Thanks for posting Jeff.
The numbers I posted are for the Columbia 300 Blur line which also are a line of 14's that I would not use in that they are so out of the 15 lb. specs...so yes if you don't know the numbers it's a shot in the dark.
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Core specs of the original Buzz
(and Sting, Hornet, Buzz Premium Edition, Sting Widow Maker):
15 lb.: RG of 2.549 and RG Diff of .031
14 lb.: RG of 2.634 and RG Diff of .015
(See: http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html)
Great research Charlest. That would deter me unless I were looking for a specific reaction type or layout. RG too high and diff too low in 14 to be useable for most patterns I bowl on.
Thanks, Dude.
I have had some hip problems that forced me to 14 lb balls about 2 years ago. LM being one of my favorite brands I tried to get a bunch of older LM NIB balls, as well as several newer ones and found this difference. That corroborated what I suspected from the reaction of the 14s. I've been using much stronger pin positions AND flare increasing weight holes that I never used to use with 15 lb. balls to compensate for the extra high RGs and low diffierentials.
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Core specs of the original Buzz
(and Sting, Hornet, Buzz Premium Edition, Sting Widow Maker):
15 lb.: RG of 2.549 and RG Diff of .031
14 lb.: RG of 2.634 and RG Diff of .015
(See: http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/lane-masters/core-specs-of-14-lb-buzz-sting-hornet-buzz-prem-ed-sting-widow-maker-t302522.0.html)
Great research Charlest. That would deter me unless I were looking for a specific reaction type or layout. RG too high and diff too low in 14 to be useable for most patterns I bowl on.
Thanks, Dude.
I have had some hip problems that forced me to 14 lb balls about 2 years ago. LM being one of my favorite brands I tried to get a bunch of older LM NIB balls, as well as several newer ones and found this difference. That corroborated what I suspected from the reaction of the 14s. I've been using much stronger pin positions AND flare increasing weight holes that I never used to use with 15 lb. balls to compensate for the extra high RGs and low diffierentials.
I tore my bicep and just decided to stick with 14s. I love the look on THS and they keep me square on sport patterns. I have learned what to like and what to throw that other ppl hated in 15lbs.