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charlest

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Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« on: May 02, 2008, 10:31:37 AM »
If you believe (I use this word advisedly) the BTM review of this ball (I usually do believe their analysis of balls), then how weak is this coverstock?

I ask because, as reviewed, the cover is finished with an 800 grit matte or dull surface. As things go in today's bowling world, this is an very rough coverstock finish (seeing as how Fury Pearls, Black Widows, Breaks, and Risings are finsihed with a 4000 grit finish).

Yet BTM rates this ball with a long length of 14 and a backend of "only" 14 AND and overall hook of, again, "only" 47. Torque is rated at a "calm" 6.0. These numbers describe an extremely mild ball, with an extremely mild coverstock.

What do you "believe"?
Inquiring minds want to know (really)?
Please, no jokes. This is not a joking matter. I am not spending $200 (ball + drilling) on a joke.

What have you seen using this ball?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2008, 12:54:00 PM »
I have to admit, that it what's puzzling.  We have laid down a variety of shots from light to heavy, and have seen the results stay fairly consistent.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 01:41:44 PM »
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I have to admit, that it what's puzzling.  We have laid down a variety of shots from light to heavy, and have seen the results stay fairly consistent.


Now that's puzzling!! The implication is that this coverstock is stronger than the BTM review indicates, more in line with the BJI review.
Thanks again.

I hate to spend $150 + $40 drilling JUST to satisfy my curiosity.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2008, 06:41:56 PM »
I was going to get one next month after reading this i have changed my mind, I have too many control/non hooking balls as it is. I have the Heist and Ogre Solid no need to waste dinero on this ball too.

I usually need angle entry help so this will not be coming my unless from someone on here used.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 08:25:15 AM »
If you look at the Lane Masters Box Finish Ball Reaction Comparison
The Terminator Rebellion is next to last just above the XS Power in motion  off the dry for the medium oil category.

The ball are listed as follows:

                     SNAP
Big R Bang
Black Pearl Reactive
Buzz
World Class Reactive
Sure Strike
Counter Strike
Terminator Rebellion
XS Power
                     ARC


Both the TR and XSP roll early and ARC off the dry.
The BRB and WCR go long and SNAP off the dry.

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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2008, 08:38:44 AM »
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I have seen exactly one Lane Masters ball used in my life. Visionary is not far behind.

Personally if it ain't 900 Global/AMF, Brunswick, Columbia, Ebonite, Hammer, Track, Roto/Storm I am not buying it.
 


Glad to hear that useful info.

Jeff,

I'm wondering at 800 grit how you would use the TR in oiless NJ?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2008, 08:42:18 AM »
Polished the TR becomes and second and thrid shift ball.
Long and very controlled at the break.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2008, 09:54:42 AM »
Oil-less NJ?  Go to Howell Lanes and say that
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2008, 10:14:12 AM »
Charlest

Had my TR drilled on thurs and used it for second shift league that night.  Pin above ring finger, cg in leverage position.  Length was longer than I expected and backed was a smooth, strong arc and stronger that anticipated.  Length was similar to both my BigRBang and Absolute Power and longer than my Masterpiece, backend was stronger than all three.  I have seen another bowler with less speed and a lower rev rate get a completely different reaction.  Considerably milder back end and less length.

Tried it on a fresh shot at the IL state tournament this weekend on wood lanes and the backend was way too strong to keep it in play.  Length was never an issue.  Will have to work with it a little more and get a better feel for it in my summer pba experience league.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2008, 10:16:25 AM »
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Oil-less NJ?  Go to Howell Lanes and say that


But they changed their oil for the States for this month. It should be finished soon; then I'll bet you'll complain about not enough oil!

If it weren't an hour and 10 minutes in non-rush hour traffic, I would.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2008, 10:18:05 AM »
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I have seen exactly one Lane Masters ball used in my life. Visionary is not far behind.

Personally if it ain't 900 Global/AMF, Brunswick, Columbia, Ebonite, Hammer, Track, Roto/Storm I am not buying it.
 


Glad to hear that useful info.

Jeff,

I'm wondering at 800 grit how you would use the TR in oiless NJ?
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I'd do what I always do: change the surface: either polish or 2000 grit matte. The only ball I can use in NJ without changing the surface was the Buzz, and that I did to reduce the skid/flip. It still backends like no body's business.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2008, 10:22:05 AM »
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Charlest

Had my TR drilled on thurs and used it for second shift league that night.  Pin above ring finger, cg in leverage position.  Length was longer than I expected and backed was a smooth, strong arc and stronger that anticipated.  Length was similar to both my BigRBang and Absolute Power and longer than my Masterpiece, backend was stronger than all three.  I have seen another bowler with less speed and a lower rev rate get a completely different reaction.  Considerably milder back end and less length.

Tried it on a fresh shot at the IL state tournament this weekend on wood lanes and the backend was way too strong to keep it in play.  Length was never an issue.  Will have to work with it a little more and get a better feel for it in my summer pba experience league.


Jim,

Thank you.
I'd like to know more about your release and if the BRB and AP are drilled different from the TR.

The length of the MP and the AP jive with what mine did when I had them. The AP is a control ball for me, but I'm surprised the TR had more backend than the BRB, but maybe there was too much oil for it (TR's 800 grit, vs BRB's high gloss polish?).

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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2008, 11:52:01 AM »
quote:
http://marketing.lanemasters.com/Catalogs/LM_2007%20ProductCatalog.pdf



robospare,

I know you're spare with words, but to whom are you directing this and what are you trying to say?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2008, 02:53:58 PM »
robospare wrote:

quote:
If you look at the Lane Masters Box Finish Ball Reaction Comparison
The Terminator Rebellion is next to last just above the XS Power in motion  off the dry for the medium oil category.

The ball are listed as follows:

                     SNAP
Big R Bang
Black Pearl Reactive
Buzz
World Class Reactive
Sure Strike
Counter Strike
Terminator Rebellion
XS Power
                     ARC


Both the TR and XSP roll early and ARC off the dry.
The BRB and WCR go long and SNAP off the dry.



That 2007 catalog also lists the TR's finish as 800 grit sheen. I believe they have changed that and released the ball with an 800 grit matte/dull finish    (Their current web page on the TR says "800 grit matte".).

800 grit sheen is very different from 800 grit matte. In the past I have found their balls, which had an 800 grit sheen finish, to be much earlier and stronger when sanded to 2000 grit matte. Their sheen finish is basically a very high gloss polish followed by a light sanding with a worn grey nylon pad; it's sort of a thorough hazing of the polish. You can still see the shine underneath thru the hazing.


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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2008, 03:24:14 PM »
Charlest

Since you asked, speed is around 17 and rev rate 350ish.  PAP is 5.5 over and .5 down.

Drilling on the TR is different than the other equipment.  AP and MP are similar, stacked with pin above the right edge of the ring finger and cg on the midline.  On the BRB the pin is above and between the fingers, the cg just below and to the right of the ring finger.  The TR pin is above the ring finger with the cg to the right of the ring finger and .5 above the midline.

My driller wanted to trying laying this one out using MoRich recommendations on the dual angle approach.  Nice strong reaction but I'm not sure it will fit the benchmark ball reaction I had hoped for.  May wait it out and acquire another TR from a friend who usually gets bored and replaces equipment every 3 months.

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