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Equipment Boards => Lane Masters => Topic started by: bowlingaddiction on March 24, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
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The other day I noticed Buddies has the Ultimate Power available April 15. I was just wondering what to expect from this release. Any details would be appreciated
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Austin Burris
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Buddies does have a good deal of info about the ball. Did you miss it?
Coverstock: Reactive Pearl
Core: Power Centric
Type: Reactive
Color: Violet / Sunburst
Finish: Factory Polish
Flare Potential: 5â€
RG: 2.490
Differential: 0.041
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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I guess they forgot...
Hits: Like a Truck
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Toodles
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That si cool that they went cover to core with this piece, I reall like my XS power and will most likely pick this one up. Tony said they went full cover to core to create a little different ball reaction If I remember right, this line is suppose to have filler in it but this one will not have that. I am assuming this ball will be a strong midlane pearl while still producing a strong pop on the back.
Whats funny about my XS power though is the ball is suppose to be a smooth arc ball, but mine is the most skid flip ball i have ever had, and i mean when it turns it turns harder than anything I have thrown easily. It is to strong on the backend with polish one the ball.
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What is sandbagging???
Edited on 3/25/2010 8:05 AM
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This is what Buddies states:
RG: 2.490
Diff 0.41
Flare 5"
The Lane Masters Web Site states:
Rg 2.52
Diff 0.31
Flare 4.5"
The Lane Masters Product Catalog states:
Rg 2.465
Diff 0.47
Flare 6.5"
Tony, which are the actual numbers on the soon to be released UP?
Edited on 4/11/2010 8:56 PM
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Galen told me Friday that it's a modified Dynamic Power core with no filler material. It was to have the filler, but it didn't work out that way. The numbers will be finalized when they get them back from USBC! The RG isn't as low as the Dynamic Power so the 2.49 will be close!
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I want to know the diff number as well. One being .31 and the other being .41, that is a significant difference in flare potential
2.49 sounds about right for the RG
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What is sandbagging???
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I want to know the diff number as well. One being .31 and the other being .41, that is a significant difference in flare potential
2.49 sounds about right for the RG
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What is sandbagging???
It doesn't sound right at all. I don't know of any ball with no filler that had an RG that low before, ever. I'm not just talking Lanemasters. Visionary, Dyno-Thane, Storm, Roto-Grip, AZO and Legends. I might not have remembered, but ...
Balls with no filler usually start around 2.55 or thereabouts.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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I feel like it is going to be in the 2.5 give or take a little. The XS/Dynamic power line is based around a lower RG core than they normally use.
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What is sandbagging???
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I feel like it is going to be in the 2.5 give or take a little. The XS/Dynamic power line is based around a lower RG core than they normally use.
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What is sandbagging???
If the Lanemasters web site is correct with:
Rg 2.52
Diff 0.31
Flare 4.5"
That makes more sense as a possibility. The RG Diff still sounds low. Hopefully Tony Martin will verify soon.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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The original numbers were in 3 piece construction. We converted this ball to a two piece and you can tell the difference. When you make a 2 piece ball the RG and Diff are going to change. The weight block still has it's characteristics.
Does anyone remember a ball that made a CRACK when it hit the pins? This ball has POP when it hits and messengers were abundant in testing. Don't let the numbers fool you too much. Great Midlane read extending through the pattern and aggressive roll through the pocket. Very Very controllable!!!
I think you will all be very surprised by this ball.
TM
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Tony,
I think we understand most of that.
Are the numbers on the website correct for the ball submitted to the USBC for approval?
What's the basic ball reaction?
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How much oil is it intended to handle, for the average revs, average ball speed bowlers?
and, yes, both my 6 year old New Standard and Yeah Baby still give that "Crack" when they hit the pocket.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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We have not gotten the final numbers from USBC but we are very close to what they are going to send back I'm sure.
This is designed for control and power on Medium to Medium Dry conditions. conditions. Can also be used by players who go straight up and in. They can get it through the fronts with good consistency and strong backends. The ball does store energy very well.
Hope that helps.
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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I recall Lanemasters using only the official numbers as measured by the USBC.
And, yes, that summary helps a lot. Thank you.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Tony,
What were the final numbers from USBC pertaining to the Ultimate Power? I have one being delivered via UPS this coming thursday from buddiesproshop.com.
Pat
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We have not gotten the final numbers from USBC but we are very close to what they are going to send back I'm sure.
This is designed for control and power on Medium to Medium Dry conditions. conditions. Can also be used by players who go straight up and in. They can get it through the fronts with good consistency and strong backends. The ball does store energy very well.
Hope that helps.
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Pat Patterson
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Final numbers on Ultimate power:
Low RG: 2.546
High RG: 2.570
Diff: .025
Coefficient of Restitution: 0.739 MIN:.650 MAX:.750
Coefficient of Friction: .290 MIN:None MAX:.320
These numbers are what brings the "CRACK"
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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That is a very low differential. I am hoping you meant .35
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What is sandbagging???
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That is a very low differential. I am hoping you meant .35
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What is sandbagging???
Low RG: 2.546
High RG: 2.570
Subtracting gets you a differential of .024"
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I did not know that using those two numbers told you what the differential was.
Still a very low diff in my eyes, not that it is a bad thing in cases, but when i was expecting this to be a compliment to my XS power, which its diff is .55 I think, thats a big jump.
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What is sandbagging???
Edited on 4/20/2010 3:25 PM
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I did not know that using those two numbers told you what the differential was.
That is the definition of RG differential, the difference between the low and the high RG values, usually along the X and Y axes.
For asymmetric strengths, the mass bias "measurement"is the intermediate differentitial between the RGs at the X and Z axes.
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Still a very low diff in my eyes, not that it is a bad thing in cases, but when i was expecting this to be a compliment to my XS power, which its diff is .55 I think, thats a big jump.
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What is sandbagging???
The Buzz's, Hornet's and Sting's RG Diff were around .031" and they had good backends and overall hook. .025" is a little on the low side but I'm sure Tony and company did enough testing to insure they were happy with the results before the ball was issued. Remember this is a ball for dry to medium oil.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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This ball is made with the Dynamic Power weight block not the XS power Weight Block (XS power used the Absolute Power weight block).This is meant to compliment the Dynamic Power in shape and reaction.
As I said before, you are going to be surprised by the ball and the way it hits. The numbers are very misleading in the performance of this ball. You are going to have a very controllable reaction with a very nice pop in the backend with power.
Thanks everyone. TM
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Thanks again, Tony.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."