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Equipment Boards => Lane Masters => Topic started by: LanemasterLefty on April 28, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
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Ball came with a 3 inch pin and around 3 top..
Ball drilled pin over bridge cg kicked out slightly...
Ball is perfect for me when the lane breaks down. I would compare it to my buzz with slightly less backend BUT A CRASH when it hits the pins.. 257,279 out of the box on a broken down sumer house shot.. Looks like the old Dynothane 357 Magnum if any of you remember that one...
This is a very special ball.
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awesome, glad someon cam on here and gave us a little insight on this ball already.
So is it a arcy ball as the Power line is intended
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What is sandbagging???
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Comes very shiney and just blows the pins away.. My proshop guy is going to try to carry them after seeing the reaction.. with less and less oil on the lanes, this is one hell of an option..
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It sounds like you are very positive about this ball. Will you be taking it to Reno in June? Most of the comments I have seen are you have to have surface in Reno.
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nope, I will probably not bring this one to reno... Since I am a lefty, I don't think I could use it for even singles... I plan on bringing
1. Black Diamond Pin up
2. Black Diamond Pind Down
3. Terminator Rebellion
4. NS2 - If I can find one NIB... : )
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We got some feedback today on the Ultimate Power.
Many people are very surprised with the hitting power they have with this ball. One guy shot 288, 752 out of the box in league. Looks like this is the ball for the summer!!
TM
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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I was going to order one today, but the pro shop guy told me that Lane Masters is in the process of moving and that it might take two weeks to fill my order. What say you T. Martin?
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Yes we are moving the plant. Going to be even more efficient with use of our facilities. Should only take me a week to get the plant running again but 2 weeks from the date of this post is about right. Sorry for the inconvenience.
TM
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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if it makes things better and more efficient then it's worth the two weeks.
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We have already made big strides here. We will be more efficient most definitely.
Quality is going to be assured with the improvements we made in the new facility.
Thanks everyone.
TM
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Well after the first few games with mine I am not impressed......very similar reaction to my solid strike with a little less on the back. I am sure for the THS it is a great ball but you can throw anything on that.
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Well after the first few games with mine I am not impressed......very similar reaction to my solid strike with a little less on the back. I am sure for the THS it is a great ball but you can throw anything on that.
Solid Strike is intended for more oil. Try the Ulitmate on lighter oil or on wood lanes.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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There isn''t two boards difference in the two. If the Ultimate had a little more back end reaction you couldn''t tell the difference in the two at all.
Why would I want to use it on a lighter pattern when it rolls early and doesn''t recover very well?
Edited on 5/16/2010 8:57 PM
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There isn''t two boards difference in the two. If the Ultimate had a little more back end reaction you couldn''t tell the difference in the two at all.
Why would I want to use it on a lighter pattern when it rolls early and doesn''t recover very well?
Something else is "rotten in Denmark". The Ultimate is designed for less oil than the SS, according to Tony, for dry to medium. The SS is a medium oil ball. The UP should be longer on the same oil than the SS, with the same drilling.
What you're describing goes against the basic designs of the respective balls, unless something is wrong with one of the balls or Tony's description is off.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Hi Guys,
We tested on THS using 40' patterns Christmas tree with a five to one ratio front to back. I think I did say about 6 months ago I'm trying to make balls that everyone can use. We will be making more specific balls in the next year if that is what you are looking for. We will be testing on other patterns then.
Channel: Thanks for your honesty.
Charlest: Thanks for the support.
High speed High rev not good in the oil unless you can play straight up.
This ball was good for a person who plays straight up in the track for oil.
When the lanes are breaking down you can predict the backend because it is not as strong as SS. Both players liked this condition.
High speed High Rev players liked it in medium to medium dry.
Low rev players Liked it in the Medium to medium dry.
Neither player liked it in the dirt.
The ball is very smooth.
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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What are the official final numbers on the UP
RG, Diff, Flare Potential?
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I drilled one for a friend of mine that uses only Lane Masters and he also told me yesterday after a tournament that he was disappointed in the movement in the backend. He said it was identical reaction to his Sure Strike and not much different from his Solid Strike. I've drilled probably 5 L/M balls for him and he said that he's going to drill some different stuff cause it's not the look he's after.
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Just so you guys know I am not bashing the ball I just don't understand why they came out with two balls back to back with very similar reactions. Solid strike shined and this ball are very close with the back end edge going to the solid strike, and it's by no means flippy. I have drilled nothing but LM stuff for over 2 years but there are some holes in the lineup that need to be filled. I guess I am just looking for a low RG slightly lower diff version of the black diamond with a more aggressive cover. What about a stronger version of the Buzz Attack? I think LM need something to compete with the Storm or Ebonite made stuff in heavy oil. I mean you have the Dynamic but it is missing that pop on the back and there is nothing there to fill that gap.
As far as something being "rotten in Denmark" I don't know why you would say that but I am just letting you know what I am getting out of the ball. Two different centers, two different shots, two different drill patterns and I was 2 and one right with the Ultimate than the solid strike on both shots. My avg ball speed is around 18.5, 400-425 rpm range, 45deg axis rotation, axis point 4-7/16 over 7/16 up. SS has the pin 4" from the axis point with a 2" buffer cg near the center of grip, close to label leverage. Ultimate pin is 4.5" from the axis and the pin right below the fingers with the CG 3.5" with no balance hole. I would think that the edge should go to the Ultimate in back end but it doesn't. Up until now the SS was the smoothest of all the LM stuff I have on the back.
I am going to play around with the ball and maybe put a small balance hole around p4 to see if I can get a little more reaction. I think I will take the SS back down to 1000 and keep the Ultimate shined just so I can separate the reactions a little more.
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"Something rotten" implies ONLY that we know something is wrong but we don't know what. The balls are different (coverstocks, flare, & RG) so they should react diferently. Keep in mind that house oil patterns often hide the differences between balls.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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I know you are not bashing it and this is your opinion and I appreciate it. We only made 4 balls last year because we needed to do what was best for the business. We will be filling holes this year for the bowlers. This ball is still a great ball for many others. Also by making it THS friendly I'm trying to attract new customers and do not want to drive away the faithful. Stick with me guys we are going to be turning heads this year. Thanks.
TM
Robo the numbers are on the website
2.546 RG
.025 Diff
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Ok, Thanks T-Mar. Are you guy settled enough into your new facility that you are filling orders again?
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Yes we poured the first balls today. We're still unpacking but this is a much better facility and we will be fully operational in a day or two.
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Tony Martin
Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"
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Thanks for your explanation Tony, and I am patiently waiting for some new exciting stuff from you guys.
charlest, thanks for your reply. I just didn't want to come on here and make people think I was here to create conflicts. I guess I misunderstood what you meant by that so I apologize. I am well aware that a house pattern can mask the reaction of a ball. I realize how much changing the type of oil, humidity, temperature etc. can affect the condition. Being a former pro shop operator/owner and proprietor I hope I can come here and be a positive contributor to this section.
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Now that I have had a chance to throw it on the kegel middle of the road pattern I still believe it is too close of a match to have the Ultimate and the solid strike for a typical house bowler on a THS. As far as differences they are still very close overall but the ultimate being a little cleaner through the fronts carried better than the Solid Strike. I was still only 2 and 2 right but liked the overall reaction slightly better than the solid on this pattern. With some surface changes I can still have two very useful pieces of equipment to choose from.