Post by: shipper50 on January 30, 2007, 01:35:32 AM
Thanks
Shipper
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 30, 2007, 09:44:39 AM
Charlest or Robb can tell you for sure though.
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Post by: shelley on January 30, 2007, 09:48:52 AM
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Post by: charlest on January 30, 2007, 10:17:36 AM
Basically if you need more surface than the stock ball has, that is the first thing you do: a thorough sanding with the 800 grit nylon pad to remove all signs of the underlying polish.
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Post by: shipper50 on January 30, 2007, 12:37:58 PM
Thanks
Shipper
Post by: Laybzz74 on January 30, 2007, 02:47:02 PM
With that early-revving core and aggressive cover, that ball can bleed of so much energy before the pocket that you think that it has no hook/backend; IMHO, if the pin and cg are too low and not matching up to your style and style, you could think that ...
The Sheen finish for that ball is roughly established up from:
- wet maroon scotchbrite pad,
- wet gray scotchbrite pad'
- Factory Finish polish (heat it up and burn it in),
800 grit wet/sand and then,
- 800 gray pad again.
The sand/polish combo, per Legends, "hits" both the resin and the particles.
This may help as well; check out the Technical section ... the updated web site is great !!!
http://www.lanemastersbowling.com/index.html
Galen is a GREAT guy to chat with about this stuff ... good luck !!!
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
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Edited on 1/30/2007 3:50 PM
Post by: shipper50 on January 30, 2007, 03:53:03 PM
quote:
Shipper,
With that early-revving core and aggressive cover, that ball can bleed of so much energy before the pocket that you think that it has no hook/backend; IMHO, if the pin and cg are too low and not matching up to your style and style, you could think that ...
The Sheen finish for that ball is roughly established up from:
- wet maroon scotchbrite pad,
- wet gray scotchbrite pad'
- Factory Finish polish (heat it up and burn it in),
800 grit wet/sand and then,
- 800 gray pad again.
The sand/polish combo, per Legends, "hits" both the resin and the particles.
This may help as well; check out the Technical section ... the updated web site is great !!!
http://www.lanemastersbowling.com/index.html
Galen is a GREAT guy to chat with about this stuff ... good luck !!!
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Edited on 1/30/2007 3:50 PM
Robb,
I couldn't even get the ball to the hole. I did use my NS drilled 4.5 by 4.5 and with just a touch of Legends polish the ball did OK until the end of the 2nd game. I cant get the Lanemasters site to load with my dial up. I guess they dont want us low end internet users to use their site.
Also, with your advice I wrote Galen at Lanemasters and he took 12 days to get back to me. I had already drilled the NIB NS. You said he was busy, but I guess he was REALLY busy.
I need an oil ball that I can hook, any advice on the Terminator? I have a Robo and sometimes I just cant get the ball to roll up until the shot has broken down some.
Thanks
Shipper
Post by: Laybzz74 on January 30, 2007, 03:54:03 PM
I just got off the phone with him ... call him now.
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Laybzz74 on January 30, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
The Terminator WILL hook ... OOB or stronger with the polish off; the Balc Pearl is a particle pearl and has a great back, same core as the NS. Good layouts and surface prep will get these balls to hook on ice !!! (j/k)
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: charlest on January 30, 2007, 04:04:40 PM
If you needed a little polish on the NS to handle the pattern/condition, you're going to need a whole sh*tload of polish on a WC particle to hook on that same condition. That core and that cover needs a freaking flood to hook and then it's early.
And if the NS with polish is good only until the 2nd game, then the others, Black Pearl, Terminator and WC will be far, far too aggressive and early.
I think you need one of the polished solids or pearls: Big-R-Bang, World Class Reactive or even the Buzz. In fact I'd be inclined to go with the Buzz.
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Post by: shipper50 on January 30, 2007, 04:17:29 PM
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Shipper,
If you needed a little polish on the NS to handle the pattern/condition, you're going to need a whole sh*tload of polish on a WC particle to hook on that same condition. That core and that cover needs a freaking flood to hook and then it's early.
And if the NS with polish is good only until the 2nd game, then the others, Black Pearl, Terminator and WC will be far, far too aggressive and early.
I think you need one of the polished solids or pearls: Big-R-Bang, World Class Reactive or even the Buzz. In fact I'd be inclined to go with the Buzz.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
charlest,
The only reason I put a touch of polish on the NS was I had used it on synthetics and found the ball didnt react the way I wanted. So I tried it at the wood house I bowl at on Mondays and still had to stand 19 and point the ball around 9 to the hole. I tried the WCP in shadows and the ball skated.
I will try the grey pad on the WCP and see if that makes a difference. I am not a big cranker, but I do put fingers in the ball. Just seems with today's stuff I have trouble with oil as when I was younger there wasn't enough oil.
Shipper
Post by: shipper50 on February 02, 2007, 06:34:53 AM
Am I looking for something out of this ball that isn't there? Is it possible that Legends doesn't match up to my game as well as Track seems to? I dont look for a magic ball by any means.
Will the Terminator work for me on heavy. If anyone has one and has ever thrown a Robo Rule compare them for me if you please.
Thanks
Shipper
Post by: LaneHammer20 on February 02, 2007, 07:29:59 AM
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
Post by: WSUstroker on February 02, 2007, 07:45:01 AM
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Post by: charlest on February 02, 2007, 08:03:13 AM
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I took a used gray pad to the WCP and it rolled like most balls I have with label drilling. My personal opinion is it doest hit or carry any better than my Equation that has a label drilling and I had to put Delayed Reaction on it to tame down the back ends.
Am I looking for something out of this ball that isn't there? Is it possible that Legends doesn't match up to my game as well as Track seems to? I dont look for a magic ball by any means.
Thanks
Shipper
Yes, on lanes where you can use the World Class Particle, you cnanot even bring an Equation into the building. Small wonder you're having problems.
The WCP is for heavy oil; the Equation is for medium oil AT BEST. You'd have to drill the WCP with a 6" pin, sand it SUPER FINE to 4000 grit and then put a SUPER high gloss polish on it before even considering using the WCP on the same oil pattern as an Equation. Even then it might not work.
The WCP is burning up in the heads and dying in the midlane IF you're even getting the Equation to make the turn and hit the pocket.
In my opinion, these are not even goto or complementary balls, in that once you can use the WCP then you can begin using the Equation. You'd need another ball between them.
You're not even comparing apples to oranges; it's more like grapes to watermelons.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: shipper50 on February 02, 2007, 08:05:21 AM
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Terminator outhooks the robo rule in the heavy stuff. I have both. I am selling the robo rule if you are interested. It is still a good ball for heavy oil though. its just when it is real slick it is more of a down and in ball.
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I thought my Hammers hit hard, until I whipped a LM/L ball into the pocket. WOW!
I have a Robo and use it on heavy. I play more down and in than swing the ball. My only problem is with my Robo if I get on some real oil, I play the track area then only after I lower the ball in my stance and slow the ball down. I am not a speed player, more like 15.5 16 ish.
Thanks
Shipper
Post by: shipper50 on February 02, 2007, 08:14:27 AM
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I took a used gray pad to the WCP and it rolled like most balls I have with label drilling. My personal opinion is it doest hit or carry any better than my Equation that has a label drilling and I had to put Delayed Reaction on it to tame down the back ends.
Am I looking for something out of this ball that isn't there? Is it possible that Legends doesn't match up to my game as well as Track seems to? I dont look for a magic ball by any means.
Thanks
Shipper
Yes, on lanes where you can use the World Class Particle, you cnanot even bring an Equation into the building. Small wonder you're having problems.
The WCP is for heavy oil; the Equation is for medium oil AT BEST. You'd have to drill the WCP with a 6" pin, sand it SUPER FINE to 4000 grit and then put a SUPER high gloss polish on it before even considering using the WCP on the same oil pattern as an Equation. Even then it might not work.
The WCP is burning up in the heads and dying in the midlane IF you're even getting the Equation to make the turn and hit the pocket.
In my opinion, these are not even goto or complementary balls, in that once you can use the WCP then you can begin using the Equation. You'd need another ball between them.
You're not even comparing apples to oranges; it's more like grapes to watermelons.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Could my watermelons be more like apples? I have a Equation drilled label and would have to check the exact specs to see how its compared to my pap. I also have a Power Machine and its drilled 5x5 and I can get more hook and back ends out of my Equation than the PM.
I used my WCP last night on a THS, synthetics they say is 10-10 but more like a 8-8 and I had to play the 8 track area to get the ball to the hole. If I got the ball into 12 the ball would not carry the 10. In my opinion unless I dont know how to bowl on oil, this WCP is not the big oil ball everyone makes it out to be.
I have a co-bowler on Mondays and he uses a WCP, I will wait till we can bowl side by side on the same shot and then will decide if its me or the ball.
Thanks for the help
Shipper
Post by: charlest on February 02, 2007, 08:56:08 AM
Not only is the cover strong, the core is a VERY early rolling one.
It is not even really a big hooking ball; few oilers really are. It just needs OIL.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Laybzz74 on February 02, 2007, 02:39:04 PM
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: jd1319 on February 08, 2007, 12:29:23 AM
Anyway, my WCP is a basic label drill, CG middle of span, pin about inch from the ring finger. It has the OOB finish, I run the gray pad over it about once a month, clean it after every set. The shot, is an easy crown, medium oil (according to the owner). I stand 18-19 and play straight down the 8 board. I don't swing it, I'm talking straight down the 8 until the break point. I'm a low to medium rev bowler, high track. The ball is very strong once it makes its break, and hits the pins hard. The ball obviously isn't burning up early, and has very solid backend. As the night goes on, I have to make a couple of 2-1 adjustments to chase the oil or the ball over-reacts on the backend, coupled with a moderate speed increase. I'm not a power bowler, so it's not high MPH although I'm not sure what my MPH are. By the end of the night, I'm standing 23 playing straight up 10.
The ball replaced a Paradigm, drilled 4X4 with a 2 1/2 pin buffer, and played a very similar line. The Paradigm was a slightly weaker ball, but did have better recovery if I missed significantly right, however, the WCP has better carry.
If the lanes break down too much, and the WCP starts to over-react or burn up and lose carry, I switch to a Satifaxion, and play a similar line to what I was playing with the WCP. The Satisfaxion (drilled label also) is unpredictable at best during the first or 2nd game, but has it's niche as the night goes on. I do bowl in another house with a medium-heavy condition, and the WCP opens the lanes up even more, and is a better condition for the ball, but at the first house, it's still good for a 219+.
Shipper does swing the ball out more than I do on his shots, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but appears to have an early breakpoint with most of his equipment than I do with the WCP. Hope this helps.
Post by: shipper50 on February 08, 2007, 07:49:27 AM
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I thought I would chime in since I bowl with Shipper and use the WCP, maybe info about my game might help. Unfortunately, I started a new job recently, and haven't been able to bowl on the same night lately to see what is going on with his WCP. Hopefully that will change soon, but being the low man on the totum pole sucks. Such is life though.
Anyway, my WCP is a basic label drill, CG middle of span, pin about inch from the ring finger. It has the OOB finish, I run the gray pad over it about once a month, clean it after every set. The shot, is an easy crown, medium oil (according to the owner). I stand 18-19 and play straight down the 8 board. I don't swing it, I'm talking straight down the 8 until the break point. I'm a low to medium rev bowler, high track. The ball is very strong once it makes its break, and hits the pins hard. The ball obviously isn't burning up early, and has very solid backend. As the night goes on, I have to make a couple of 2-1 adjustments to chase the oil or the ball over-reacts on the backend, coupled with a moderate speed increase. I'm not a power bowler, so it's not high MPH although I'm not sure what my MPH are. By the end of the night, I'm standing 23 playing straight up 10.
The ball replaced a Paradigm, drilled 4X4 with a 2 1/2 pin buffer, and played a very similar line. The Paradigm was a slightly weaker ball, but did have better recovery if I missed significantly right, however, the WCP has better carry.
If the lanes break down too much, and the WCP starts to over-react or burn up and lose carry, I switch to a Satifaxion, and play a similar line to what I was playing with the WCP. The Satisfaxion (drilled label also) is unpredictable at best during the first or 2nd game, but has it's niche as the night goes on. I do bowl in another house with a medium-heavy condition, and the WCP opens the lanes up even more, and is a better condition for the ball, but at the first house, it's still good for a 219+.
Shipper does swing the ball out more than I do on his shots, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but appears to have an early breakpoint with most of his equipment than I do with the WCP. Hope this helps.
You actually play more down the 10 board at the arrows than you know. You do stay behind the ball much more than I do even when I think I am staying behind it. You score much better with your WCP than most in my old opinion till the oil is gone. I mean I watched this man shot many a 26? game with his WCP.
Well I did it, I bought a Brunswick Mammoth and if that ball doesn't hook in oil, then I will go back to competition shooting. I couldn't hit anything when I shot either.
Shipper