Post by: mrbowlingnut on September 13, 2006, 04:56:31 PM
I am going to get a 2nd one soon and take too 4000 no polish and put the pin over the bridge, the 1 st one i have is pin under ring cg right above my thumb with no weight hole. Legends is top notch stuff try one for yourself
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 14, 2006, 01:10:45 AM
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i thought i would post this because it seems like this ball is getting no love here.
I had to "court and woo" mine for awhile, but as I have already previously posted, I love it now. Love it oddles.
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Brick
Edited on 9/14/2006 1:06 AM
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 14, 2006, 07:23:13 AM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 20, 2006, 05:53:31 PM
I went with a 3.5 oz TW, 3 1/4" pin, 4 x 3 1/2 layout, cg 3/8" above ML and the pin above and right of the ring; although I REALLY liked the reaction with the OOB cover, I'm gonna try it at 4000 abralon and reapply the LEGENDS Factory Finish polish as a comparison.
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 02:29:39 PM
BTW, this was my 3rd "700" of this new season (first one with the WC, 2nd with the Terminator, and now this one) ... 3 opens in each of the first two and the one open in this one.
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: charlest on September 25, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
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737 series with it today (started the first game with my AP ... 10 pin tap and whiffed on a 6-10 spare before switching to the WCR); 212, 247, and then the front 9 the last game ... got fast feet and left the 2-5 and then a flush strike for a 278). This 2nd WCR with this new layout and coverstock "tweak" of 4000 abralon and polished is working out great !!!
BTW, this was my 3rd "700" of this new season (first one with the WC, 2nd with the Terminator, and now this one) ... 3 opens in each of the first two and the one open in this one.
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Great bowling, Robb. Congrats!
4000 grit PLUS polish?? That's very fine. Glad it worked out so well.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 9/25/2006 2:37 PM
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 02:50:48 PM
If you look in my profile, you'll see that I have my WC at 4K sans polish, the MP at 4K sans polish, and I'm gonna try the Big Bang at 2K sans polish this week (just got the WC and BB out of the pro shop after having them do that adjustment); MAN ... I need to ask "Santa for a 1/2HP Vortex spinner for Christmas !!!
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: charlest on September 25, 2006, 02:56:42 PM
It is worth much more than 2 new balls! Maybe more than 3 new balls!
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 02:58:44 PM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: mrbowlingnut on September 25, 2006, 03:29:16 PM
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 03:55:16 PM
2000 abralon but NO polish on this Big Bang; but I'll let ya know how it works ... I'm trying to get a bit more push down the lanes and a harder turn on the backends.
FYI, there HAVE been a few posts in here about a polished BB ... ya may wanna check them out.
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 25, 2006, 04:49:16 PM
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I need to ask "Santa for a 1/2HP Vortex spinner for Christmas !!!
Robb, you can buy that spinner cheaper than you are buying all of those bowling balls for, so what you need to do is reverse your wants and buy a spinner and have your wife buy the bowling ball since the bowling balls cost more.
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Brick
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 04:50:12 PM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 25, 2006, 05:13:51 PM
I used the Moro Pro Release for the last 7-8 years until switching to the Mongoose this past July. Apparently the difference is the Mongoose doesn't cause you to cup the ball and I don't have the strength to cup it even weakly cup it on my own, where as the Pro Release does if you set it to cup a bit. I didn't set it for a strong cup, only a weak cup, (3rd notch) but it sure made a big difference. I may try it for a week or two and see what happens before making any coverstock changes.
I didn't mean to hi-jack this topic with a wrist device report, but was trying to explain why I may have to make a cover stock change to my WC Reactive. Can't speak for the WC Particle yet until I use it some with the Pro Release.
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Brick
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 25, 2006, 05:34:53 PM
Just FYI, I have mine up to 4000 abralon AND polished; I'm not sure what yours is at, but maybe you could try a higher grit and not use any polish (just a thought).
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: charlest on September 25, 2006, 06:38:28 PM
Recognize that the ball's spans and pitches will also fit you differently depending on whether you use the Mongoose (which just helps you keep your wrist straight) and the Moro (which causes you to cup it AND to release it differently.
So the balls react differently AND they fit you differently. So, you should now actually re-fit your span and pitches AND re-drill every ball you now own.
My belief is you keep changing different variables and expect other not to change, when they can't help changing - cause and effect.
You will constantly be disappointed when you keep shifting the base upon which you and your bowling stand.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 25, 2006, 06:40:53 PM
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I'm not sure what yours is at,
500 Grit with Abralon Pad and 3/4 as much shine with Legends Polish that came with the ball as compared to when the ball was when NIB.
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Brick
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 26, 2006, 07:11:21 AM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 26, 2006, 11:48:46 AM
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Recognize that the ball's spans and pitches will also fit you differently depending on whether you use the Mongoose (which just helps you keep your wrist straight) and the Moro (which causes you to cup it AND to release it differently.
So the balls react differently AND they fit you differently. So, you should now actually re-fit your span and pitches AND re-drill every ball you now own.
Charlest, the problems seem to have begun when I switched from Vise Grips to Turbo Quads. I use the power lift side on both. However, this did alter my fit as the Vise have more forward taper than the Turbo's do. According to KOTM, the forward pitches in these grips is...
Turbo Quads.....1/8
Turbo Power Oval....3/16
Vise........1/4
Even though the span will measure close to the same with these grips, the grip feel isn't as with the Vise for example, with the 1/4 forward pitch this stretches the hand a bit and give the feel of a wider span. Probably more noticeable with someone like myself with a stiff hand, fingers and thumb, and etc. vs someone with a more limber or flexable hand. With my stiff hand and no stretch to it, it makes a difference.
The first thing I noticed when I switched to the Turbo Quads was my grip feeling like it had been shortened. This may be why the Pro Release seemed to work better than the Mongoose did Sunday in that with the Mongoose, the wrist is straight and by cupping the Pro Release even though very slightly, it changed the fit of my grip giving it the feel of a slightly longer grip. Maybe that fit with the Pro Release is the same as it was with the Vise Grips and the Mongoose because cupping the wrist does tighten the grip a bit. If I continue to use the Turbo Quads, I don't see me changing my grip span, but I may have to take the 1/8 reverse pitch off of the fingers to compensate for the pitch difference between the Vise and Turbo Quads.
I quit using Vise Grips because they are sticky at times. More so at some times than others, depending on the weather, temperature, humidity, and etc. My fingers wouldn't always go into them or come out of them smooth at times even when the grips weren't tight. That is why I recently changed.
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My belief is you keep changing different variables and expect other not to change, when they can't help changing - cause and effect.
You will constantly be disappointed when you keep shifting the base upon which you and your bowling stand.
I'm not clear where you are coming from here. Tenpinspro gave me a complete new grip almost 5 months ago. The best fit I have ever had. To this very day nothing has changed in the grip Rick gave me. The only change that was made was the brand of finger grips of which I have already explained why.
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Brick
Edited on 9/26/2006 11:49 AM
Post by: Laybzz74 on September 26, 2006, 01:59:54 PM
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)
Post by: charlest on September 26, 2006, 04:38:16 PM
Nothing changed since Rick helped you settle things a bit, but then yo ujust changed wrist supports. That alone changes your grip and your span. I'm only guessing it might change finger and thumb pitches.
The idea is you're changing basics; when you change basics, other items or factors in the chain of dominoes are also affected.
Do as you see fit, but I'm suggesting that you be EXTREMELY careful about what you change and when you do see fit to change, be sure you change everything that is affected by the first change and so on down the line.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 27, 2006, 01:00:04 AM
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Nothing changed since Rick helped you settle things a bit, but then yo ujust changed wrist supports. That alone changes your grip and your span. I'm only guessing it might change finger and thumb pitches.
Charlest, you misunderstood me or else I didn't explain clearly in that I only "tried" the Pro Release Sunday. I never said or meant that I was switching. I only said I "may" try it a week or two and see what happens.
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Do as you see fit, but I'm suggesting that you be EXTREMELY careful about what you change and when you do see fit to change, be sure you change everything that is affected by the first change and so on down the line.
I have no plans to change anything at the moment other than what I have already said about trying the Pro Release some more. Even though I have used a Pro Release most of the time the last 7-8 years and only started using the Mongoose this past June, I prefer the Mongoose in terms of it's light weight and comfort. From the moment I received my new grip, I didn't like the feel of the Pro Release any more and that is why I switched to the Mongoose.
The finger grip change is really what set me back a bit at this point I am not sure yet what I am going to do about it. I just wish the Vise Grips weren't so sticky. I don't know why they are more sticky than the Turbo Quads unless it might be that they are a bit softer, but I don't know that. My fingers and thumb have been way more wet the past year and due to according to my Dr, my medication and that with the soft-sticky Vise Grips gives me problems.
Turbo also has a power lift grip with close to the same taper as Vise. I don't know if they are as sticky as Vise or not. I am going to Email a friend of mine at Turbo tomorrow about this and see what he says.
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Brick
Edited on 9/27/2006 1:23 AM