Author Topic: Carry Down (Read 3170 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** November 19, 2006, 10:59:56 AM »

I ran into more carry down than normal in the house with the Brunswick Anvil Synthetic Lanes today and to my surprise, my WCP did not handle it well at all. It refused to come into the pocket with any authority at all whereas my Absolute Inferno charged the pocket very well, but the pin carry was poor no matter how it hit or the angle of hit from and to sum it up, it hit like a baby.. Surprised me the AI would out hook the WCP on this condition. For as bad as the WCP fought charging the pocket with any authority though, it had better pin carry than the AI.

Any suggestions as to cover adjustments to the WCP in a situtation like this or what other L/LM ball would handle the carry down better?

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Edited on 11/19/2006 7:57 PM

Strider · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2006, 07:11:12 PM »

Unless you see heavy carry down enough to justify the price of a strong ball (I love my MoRich WMB for this, but I believe you haven't had success with asymmetric cores), you're probably better off trying to find a line to better attack it. I used to do a lot of practicing during the afternoon, right after a league with a ton of plastic balls. On light carry down, a strong ball often worked well. On the bad days, you had to go around it. I had two very high games with a pearl resin ball outside of 5. You might also be able to keep inside of the carry down by moving your feet AND target well left. If that part of the lane is still fresh and you have the physical game for it, that can work also. I'm not familiar with Legends/Lanemasters, so someone else might be help you better if you decide on getting another ball
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:04:40 PM »

In addition to what Strider said, you must also realize that when you have carrydown, it had to have come from somewhere. In general, that "somewhere" is the heads and midlane from where everyone previously has been playing, including you.

That is probably the reason the WC is having problems: it's not in overcoming the carrydown; that's part of its strength. The problem is where you usually lay the ball down, that general area, has probably already had a great deal but not all of the oil taken away and some of it is THE carrydown. So the ball is possibly not retaining enough energy.

There are two general ways to overcome carrydown: use a stronger ball or avoid the carrydown area. In your case, I wonder if another solution is to avoid the drier area. So either go inside and play straighter or go further outside. If you go further outside, you may be able to use a weaker ball because it is drier.

So 2 possibilities are
1. Move your target AND your breakpoint further outside, using possibly a weaker ball, or
2. Move both target and breakpoint further inside using the same ball and play a smaller hook.

There is no stronger ball than the WC in Legends lineup. The BB is go longer and possibly hook more at the backend, because of the core, but it handles virtually the same oil as the WC. The BP is supposedly strong but its strength is later down the lane and that has already been proven NOT to be the type of ball you need/require.

Your solution here, I believe, is not another ball, but to learn how to play the lanes.
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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2006, 05:59:16 AM »

Again, "sage wisdom" from Charlest ... I concur !!!
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:08:13 AM »

Thanks Charlest.....Since this was practice and I was really
working-concentrating on my mechanics and game, although I am smart enough to try moving out, I didn't think about it. Had it been league bowling, I may have tried that. I just thought that the extra carry-down wouldn't affect the WCP that much. Especially when the AI seemed to hook way better than the WCP. However as already mentioned, the AI wouldn't carry whereas the WCP carried better than the AI.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2006, 12:44:01 PM »

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Thanks Charlest.....Since this was practice and I was really
working-concentrating on my mechanics and game, although I am smart enough to try moving out, I didn't think about it. Had it been league bowling, I may have tried that. I just thought that the extra carry-down wouldn't affect the WCP that much. Especially when the AI seemed to hook way better than the WCP. However as already mentioned, the AI wouldn't carry whereas the WCP carried better than the AI.
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You may have skipped another item buried within my typing (since you didn't mention it): I think you may have stayed in your safe zone at the lay down poitn and that area may have been a little dry. I suspect that dry, with your slower speed, did not allow the WC to retain enough energy to handle the carrydown properly. This is only a guess, but given the strength of the WC even for your low-ish revs, I think it is a safe guess.

You can alway stry a lower sanding grit, say, 600 grit, but then you'd have to move inside slightly to insure it does not burn itself up in the heads or the midlane.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:12:25 PM »

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You may have skipped another item buried within my typing (since you didn't mention it): I think you may have stayed in your safe zone at the lay down poitn and that area may have been a little dry.

Yeah, guess I sort of missed it. I did stay in my safe zone so you are probably correct here.

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You can alway stry a lower sanding grit, say, 600 grit, but then you'd have to move inside slightly to insure it does not burn itself up in the heads or the midlane.

The only problem here is moving in is not my game. I'd probably be better off to move out as you mentioned in your original post. As for throwing a weaker ball if I moved out and it was necessary to do so, is that the WCR is the weakest I have at the moment and with the carry down, not sure how it would react. If the heavier carry down continues, I will have to do/try something different such as some of the things you mentioned, but will wait and see as this is the first time I have seen it this bad in this house. My current grit on the WCP is 800 with the Gray S.B. Pad which I think is what the ball comes at NIB but not sure.

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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:37:54 PM »

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You can alway stry a lower sanding grit, say, 600 grit, but then you'd have to move inside slightly to insure it does not burn itself up in the heads or the midlane.

The only problem here is moving in is not my game. I'd probably be better off to move out as you mentioned in your original post. As for throwing a weaker ball if I moved out and it was necessary to do so, is that the WCR is the weakest I have at the moment and with the carry down, not sure how it would react.

You're not seeing the picture I tried to draw.

If you're moving outside, the carrydown is generally in/around the oil line, generally, the 6-10 board as the breakpoint. Moving outside means you're targeting a breakpoint outside that area, around (roughly) the 3-5 board. This area does NOT have carrydown. So you're safe. The idea of using a weaker ball to play this is area is BECAUSE this area is usally drier than the oil line. So you use a weaker (read: less agressive) ball to play this area.

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If the heavier carry down continues, I will have to do/try something different such as some of the things you mentioned, but will wait and see as this is the first time I have seen it this bad in this house. My current grit on the WCP is 800 with the Gray S.B. Pad which I think is what the ball comes at NIB but not sure.

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Yes, it comes at 800 grit. as in earlier reply, you can always try 600 grit or (even, as an emergency) 400 grit. If that doesn't work out,you can always bring it back up to 800 grit.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2006, 11:28:28 AM »

I get Email advertisements from Bowling Ball.com each week. Just received one a few minutes ago. They normally have a tip at the end of their news letter. The following was in todays news letter. Good timing to my question. Maybe Kendra reads BR?...lol

There is a lot of carrydown. My ball stops hooking. The backends are really tight.

These are a few statements heard throughout leagues and tournaments, but does oil really travel down the lane?

To get that answer, we must address what type of equipment is being thrown down the lane during the competition. Thereare two categories of equipment that we can look at: low-flaring bowling balls and high-flaring bowling balls.

Bowling balls that fall into the low-flaring category are plastics and most urethanes. This equipment will help lane conditioner travel down the lane because they typically have one ball track or ring and they do not absorb much lane oil. The ball rolls consistently over one ring around the ball, so when it picks up oil in the front of the lane, the oil can transfer to the backend portion of the lane.

High-flaring bowling balls include most of today s equipment, particularly high performance balls. This equipment willhave multiple rings to its ball track and absorbs oil quickly. As the ball travels down the lane, the ball uses a fresh surface for each flare ring, so there is little to no lane conditioner transfer to the backends.

So now that you have an idea of the type of equipment going down the lane, you can better decide if it is carrydown or if your ball is burning up/losing energy.

Most likely today, it is not carrydown that makes your ball stop hooking in the backend. As explained above, today s equipment dries out the first 20 feet, which makes the ball lose energy in the early part of the lane. This also makes the ball straighten out in the backend of the lane and makes it appear to be carrydown. You may want to try a ball that is designed for a later breaking or a skid/flip reaction, or something that saves its energy to the backend portion of the lane. I hear it all the time: My dry lane ball out-hooks my heavy oil ball. This is because the dry lane ball retains energy and makes a drastic move when it hits friction and the heavy oil ball uses its energy earlier and makes a muchslower move in the friction.

If you find that carrydown is affecting your ball reaction, you may want to try a ball that gets into a roll a little earlier, so the ball won t skid too far before turning towards the pocket. You may also try moving right, but playing a little straighter line to the pocket to increase backend reaction.

Next time your ball stops hooking in the backend try going to a less aggressive ball and see if that improves your backend reaction.

Best of Luck!
Kendra Gaines

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Brick

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2006, 05:44:01 PM »

Sounds familiar ....
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:47:58 PM »

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Sounds familiar ....

lol......Yeah, it seems that I sort of recall someone or 'whats his name' writing something to that effect about this topic.....

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Brick

Edited on 11/22/2006 9:08 PM

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