win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Equipment Pricing  (Read 9955 times)

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Equipment Pricing
« on: December 31, 2013, 11:20:17 AM »
So I've heard just about every excuse as to why people shy away from Lord Field products.  I then get some of the same people inbox me on my take on the equipment and why are our products so high.  Me doing all the research and what not, i find our equipment to be fairly priced to the general public, fairly priced to the pro shops compared to any other brand, and definitely fairly priced to staffers  seeing our equipment is imported compared to some staffers i know on other companies staffs.  So my question to the board is what seems to be the issue with our equipment? We put up the same scores, our equipment outlasts some if not most on the market, its fairly priced considering where it comes from, and you can purchase it either directly or from buddies at pretty much a comparable price as you could the competitors.  But seems bowlers give there opinion, assessment and everything in between and they have never even thrown one for themselves. Should we change our name? Whats the problem?
Terry Moore

 

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 11:23:44 AM »
By all means I'm not begging for anyone to buy nor am i trying to start a heated debate, I'm simply asking to the bowling community what whys you away in public eye, but leads you to inbox myself or a fellow staffer to work out a deal?
Terry Moore

SVstar34

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5452
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 11:59:59 AM »
I dont understand it quite either and I have nothing to do with Lord Field. The prices are fair and staffers try their hardest to promote the company while also being resourceful members of our community.  I haven't heard any complaints against the equipment really, I was going to try some but my proshop guy didnt have a "great" reaction with the couple he tried and my style is similar to his so I passed

Perfect Approach Pro Shop

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2013, 12:15:53 PM »
As a pro shop owner, I look at a few things:
1 - ease of obtaining
2 - price
3 - where made
4 - marketability

     A couple if years ago, I had a employee that was throwing Seismic equipment and thought we should get some. Getting it was a nightmare as my regular distributors did not carry it. Once I got them in, they were quite pricy and I could not get rid if them. I also prefer to stock and sell balls made in USA. Marketability is another big issue. People very rarely come in and ask about smaller companies. They want to know what ball was bowler X using on TV, or I received an email on company y's new ball, when will you have it in stock?
     Not to put Buddies down, but as a pro shop owner, I will not order my stock from an online retailer. I will continue to support my distributors as they go above and beyond to help me out as a small business. Can't imaging the hoops that would have to be gone through if one cracked on getting it replaced.
     Not trying to create argument, just giving you a small business perspective.
J. Helton
Perfect Approach Pro Shop

crazy smooth

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 41
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 12:32:14 PM »
As a pro shop owner, I look at a few things:
1 - ease of obtaining
2 - price
3 - where made
4 - marketability

     A couple if years ago, I had a employee that was throwing Seismic equipment and thought we should get some. Getting it was a nightmare as my regular distributors did not carry it. Once I got them in, they were quite pricy and I could not get rid if them. I also prefer to stock and sell balls made in USA. Marketability is another big issue. People very rarely come in and ask about smaller companies. They want to know what ball was bowler X using on TV, or I received an email on company y's new ball, when will you have it in stock?

     Not to put Buddies down, but as a pro shop owner, I will not order my stock from an online retailer. I will continue to support my distributors as they go above and beyond to help me out as a small business. Can't imaging the hoops that would have to be gone through if one cracked on getting it replaced.
     Not trying to create argument, just giving you a small business perspective.

So do you carry Brunswick line?
Our company is easy to work with and of course your never going to see us on tv due to being non pba registered equipment, but with that being said our equipment is great reaction is always controllable. Our prices are not bad as a whole compared to other companies. Or equipment lay longer than most all other equipment. You won't get one of our balls in and have it crack on the press. And our equipment is designed in usa and produced in Korea. There is no silence between us and Brunswick. Or equipment clears the heads like all other equipment. I think you should give our stuff a try and then make an observation based on that I am sure that there will be ball demos close to your area here soon.
As gar as marketing goes or stuff has great shelf appeal our just comes down to do you want to push our equipment?
1) Our stuff last longer that other equipment.
2)We have a cover stock that pushes oil out off the ball and gets better the more you throw it.
3)Continuation through the pin deck.
4) versatile covers
Josh Lapham

storm making it rain

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 838
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2013, 12:38:13 PM »
I Agree with Perfect....When Lord Field starting accepting staff apps I submitted one and was accepted for the position.  At that time buddies wasnt stocking the equipment, so for me to get their stuff it was a 5 day ship to my location, being a small shop that doesn't stock a ton of stuff, that was way too long for me to wait.  Even the "staff" pricing wasn't all too much different from my normal distributor pricing.

I also don't have anyone coming in asking for their product, i have no idea if it's good or not honestly because there isn't anyone in my area using it that i've seen.  I don't think the PBA sells balls anyone (speaking of people seeing it on TV and then ordering) for me people see others in their league with a particular ball and like what they see and order it.

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2013, 12:41:30 PM »
As a pro shop owner, I look at a few things:
1 - ease of obtaining
2 - price
3 - where made
4 - marketability

     A couple if years ago, I had a employee that was throwing Seismic equipment and thought we should get some. Getting it was a nightmare as my regular distributors did not carry it. Once I got them in, they were quite pricy and I could not get rid if them. I also prefer to stock and sell balls made in USA. Marketability is another big issue. People very rarely come in and ask about smaller companies. They want to know what ball was bowler X using on TV, or I received an email on company y's new ball, when will you have it in stock?
     Not to put Buddies down, but as a pro shop owner, I will not order my stock from an online retailer. I will continue to support my distributors as they go above and beyond to help me out as a small business. Can't imaging the hoops that would have to be gone through if one cracked on getting it replaced.
     Not trying to create argument, just giving you a small business perspective.


These are the comments I'm looking for and i thank you.  Im just trying to do my best as a staffer and I'm just reaching out to see what whys people away and how i/we can help.  So thank you. And to just touch on what crazy_smooth said, yes my next question to you would be about brunswick. similar situation there. But as far as getting our balls, we do offer Pro shop Packages directly thru the company similar to what you would get from the distributor.
Terry Moore

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2013, 12:45:00 PM »
I Agree with Perfect....When Lord Field starting accepting staff apps I submitted one and was accepted for the position.  At that time buddies wasnt stocking the equipment, so for me to get their stuff it was a 5 day ship to my location, being a small shop that doesn't stock a ton of stuff, that was way too long for me to wait.  Even the "staff" pricing wasn't all too much different from my normal distributor pricing.

I also don't have anyone coming in asking for their product, i have no idea if it's good or not honestly because there isn't anyone in my area using it that i've seen.  I don't think the PBA sells balls anyone (speaking of people seeing it on TV and then ordering) for me people see others in their league with a particular ball and like what they see and order it.


Thats one of the reasons i do videos and put them out there.  Yes its hard for small shop owners to have people coming in their shop to ask about our product if that said shop doesn't have any in or haven't thrown it for that matter.  With that said if you had the opportunity to purchase a ball at a discounted rate would you be willing to do so? 
Terry Moore

Wilbert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 587
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2013, 01:02:33 PM »
I think for a new company to really break into the market they need a big bang ball.  Just being as good as other companies and priced the same will not do it.  Motiv made a bang with the Primal Rage and now people are looking at all the new Motiv releases.

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 01:08:16 PM »
I think for a new company to really break into the market they need a big bang ball.  Just being as good as other companies and priced the same will not do it.  Motiv made a bang with the Primal Rage and now people are looking at all the new Motiv releases.

That is true. But they also were marketing it BIG when Jake Peters won with it at the Bear Open. and they took the #REDBALL which helped them sell but i have also heard mixed reviews from some guys regarding versatility of that ball. The Tribal seems to be more versatile than the Rage. And that came from a staffer in Houston that i bowlerd TNBA Southern Regional mixed team with.  We have that IT BALL in our lineup, but seems people still shy away from "LORD FIELD"
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 01:16:25 PM by tmoore300 »
Terry Moore

crazy smooth

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 41
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 01:18:58 PM »
Storm making it rain you have good point about waiting time did not take that into consideration. With distributors you can get ball next day if you are close by one. And you have to find a good bowler that others watch and try to get him to try equipment. Had a guy here in va that was unsure buy one he seen me thrown the ball and seen what it did he was interested right away due to he liked where the ball was picking up in mid lane and how predictable the ball was off the spot, along with hitting power.
Josh Lapham

storm making it rain

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 838
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 01:47:51 PM »
Exactly, I get my stuff overnight from my distributor, this helps me stock less but have the ability to get stuff very quickly.  I'll give any company a try once, but the majority of the time i'll order discontinued product (because it's cheap) and go from there.   With high perf balls costing me (as a pro shop) $120+ each, i'm not gonna throw that away on a "test" ball.

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 01:50:47 PM »
if it cost you that and you sell it to said bowler who is a marketing tool for your shop at a price you don't lose money than how could that be a problem. Your not losing money.
Terry Moore

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2013, 01:52:54 PM »
you would do the same for a big brand "test" ball as well.
Terry Moore

tmoore300

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
Re: Equipment Pricing
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2013, 01:55:26 PM »
By all means i don't want you to think i am attacking you or anything of that sort. I'm just trying to understand it from your side as well as the general bowling populations side.
Terry Moore