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Equipment Boards => Lord Field => Topic started by: Monster Stitch on February 03, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
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Hey guys! For those of you who have drilled a few LF balls, what balls do you think they compare to on the market. I am curious what type of range of balls we have. Please let me know. Trigg and Pat i know you guys have drilled quite of few balls in the line up. Your feed back would be great.
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When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.
Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.
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When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.
Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.
ok so I have a question...i have a judgment on the way and I'm planning on a 75x5-5.5x30 drill on that should give me length and a mild read of the mids with a good snap on the rear.... I am also interested in the jacked and heritage would you classify them as stronger or weaker (overall) and if you can explain the motions from release to the pins between the three...thanks
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Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.
Proform: thanks for the breakdown. If you say the Exodus solid is like a CrossRoad i hope the Exodus Pearl is like a HyRoad.
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Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.
oh by all means not expecting this ball to flip.... I'm looking for length with a strong move to the pocket .. The funny part is I have see reviews on this ball saying its angular and then a review saying its smooth... So I'm guessing the angle is coming from the high revvers and the smooth is the strikers..but without any vids of this ball aside from the single one on YouTube I guess I'll have to drill it and see what I get
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Revs don't always impart "snap"
Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...
Just some food for thought...
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Revs don't always impart "snap"
Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...
Just some food for thought...
well I understand that... I doubt anyone that has posted a review on the judgment has 0tilt and 0rotation ... I'm saying out of the reviews posted I have seen some say its a angular ball and others say its not... Either way I am still wanting to see more videos up to give a visual of the balls reaction. Cause is this thread alone proform says its angular ,and monster stitch says its early arcing..
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It may not seem like a skid/flip to some, but mine is very strong and very angular at the breakpoint!! I can't use it only on fresh oil and I'm deeper than any other ball I have! It's a lot stronger than my Heritage and my Exodus Iron is my least favorite ball! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Revs don't always impart "snap"
Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...
Just some food for thought...
well I understand that... I doubt anyone that has posted a review on the judgment has 0tilt and 0rotation ... I'm saying out of the reviews posted I have seen some say its a angular ball and others say its not... Either way I am still wanting to see more videos up to give a visual of the balls reaction. Cause is this thread alone proform says its angular ,and monster stitch says its early arcing..
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Hyme29,
As you see I have drilled all the 2012-2013 releases and the only 2 balls in the Lord Field line I would consider "Angular" are the Judgement and the Pin Hacker. Both of the Judgements I drilled are strong, "Angular" and not "early arcing". With layout, surface and bowler specs I could see the Judgement "arcing". If someone were to drill a Judgement and found the ball "early and arcing" Then I would recomend they do not drill an Exodus Iron or Jacked unless they are looking for a "very" early motion. Also as I have stated on facebook and other sites. I drilled 2 Judgements and love the OOB condition which many others have felt was too over/under. When I took one of my Judgements to 2000ab it was too strong thru mid lane and backend, ball was still clean thru the heads. The Exodus Line is "arcy" I would not call the Judgement "arcy" but layout, surface and bowler specs can create that shape.
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When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.
Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.
ok so I have a question...i have a judgment on the way and I'm planning on a 75x5-5.5x30 drill on that should give me length and a mild read of the mids with a good snap on the rear.... I am also interested in the jacked and heritage would you classify them as stronger or weaker (overall) and if you can explain the motions from release to the pins between the three...thanks
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Hyme29,
What are your specs?
I have Judgement #1 with a 75x5x30 layout and OOB and love the ball.
I would definately recomend to drill a Heritage the ball will be earlier and still strong down lane but not as angular even being Asymetric. In my opinion the cover is weaker than the Judgement.
I would recomend drilling a Pin Hacker if looking for a weaker but angular ball or an Exodus Pearl if you are looking for weaker with a stronger mid-lane read(than Pin Hacker)
I would recomend the Nasty or Higgs if you are looking for stronger covers. The Nasty being strong mid-lane and the Higgs stronger recovery and better able to handle tighter backends.
As for the Jacked teh best I can descfribe it is super strong Urethane move. The ball handles surface changes well and is clean thru the heads but very strong mid-lane read with what I could best describe as a hard arc at the backend.
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My specs are
5 7/8> 3/4^ pap
450+ revs
17-18mph
12* tilt
40-50* rotation
I was thinking the 75x5.5x30 on my judgment
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Hyme29
I would recomend drill a Heritage and Pin Hacker. I would lay the Pin Hacker out the same as your Judgement and go with 4 inch pin to PAP pin down on the Heritage. You will have evreything but the extreme Heavy oil and toasted lanes.
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Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.
oh by all means not expecting this ball to flip.... I'm looking for length with a strong move to the pocket .. The funny part is I have see reviews on this ball saying its angular and then a review saying its smooth... So I'm guessing the angle is coming from the high revvers and the smooth is the strikers..but without any vids of this ball aside from the single one on YouTube I guess I'll have to drill it and see what I get
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I would recommend going to:
http://www.lordfield.com/en/
There on the Home Page is a copy of the Bowlers Journal Review of the Judgement. The backend rating speaks for itself...
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The ball will jump with bone dry backends but it's still not angular. I have the fringe that's a ball for me which is crazy skid flip. If I did the judgement for the long and snappy I'd do a 65/70x5x30. It's fairly close to what you want to do. I wish others would post up with video besides myself. I need to drill the judgement for a friend who is rev-dom. I will decide the layout once I see the p2cg distance cause his span is 5-1/8. I'd hate to have to post video of him just to get a righty video of the judgement.
Here's a video for the pink judgement. It's 2.53 .030 and 1000 polish. Maybe it can be of help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNNcCr90PfY
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Judgement does not need bone dry backed.....
Please look at the ball review in Bowlers Journal. A ball does not need to be skid flip to be angular. The fringe is not apples to apples. The Fringe will not handle equal volumes of oil.
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Seriously........
A Critical Theory is very Angular and I would Definately not call it skid flip.
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ok heres what I have and my thoughts
Pin Hacker, very clean and yes probably the closest to skid snap I've seen of any of the LF balls, this ball for me is in the pearl IQ tour class
Torment, as stated a must have ball, clean up front, can be shot up the boards or when the break down you can swing it, for me this is close to the Laen #1 SOS maybe 2-3 boards stronger down lane, I have had two polished both, same drillings super ball
Jacked, i went outside my comfort zone on this drilled it pin under bridge cg out 45 with a weight hole 6.75 on that line, this ball gets good length and plenty of move off the back, similar in motion to the IQ tour solid, although looks heavier rolling down lane
Nasty, one of my faves, another heavy rolling peice that you can get outside and downlane and it will recover, gives me a look similar to the original Nexxus, not quite as angular tho
Exodus solid, another one of my faves (300 with it) smooth long and pronounced backend, sure looks like the hyroad down lane, although i think it retains more energy and has a better roll thru the pocket
exodus pearl is an oddity for me, mine goes long with a smaller move, but at 2k no polish it is a sport shot dream, not sure what I could compare this to, maybe a DV8 terror
exodus iron is long strong and angular for me, yet has a smoothness to it similar to a DV8 HR revenge, but handles a little more oil for me
and lastly
Judgement long, handles some oil and very good recovery, every bit as stong as my DV8 HR revenge, but carries better from outside ten where as the revenge needs to hug the line. I changed surface slightly on judgement took it to 1k and repolished, carry is so much better at this point, especially when the heads go and I can stand on the ball and push to a break point, this ball carries as well as any ball ive thrown
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My specs are
5 7/8> 3/4^ pap
450+ revs
17-18mph
12* tilt
40-50* rotation
I was thinking the 75x5.5x30 on my judgment
With those specs I would recommend you increase your VAL by say 10*. I very similar specs as yourself. I drilled my 85 x 4.5 x 40. If I would have drilled this with a 30 degree VAL I am sure it would burn up early. When it comes to low RG balls I always tend to increase the VAL. My Judgment skids the heads very well and have a very defined break in the backend. I wouldn't call it skid flip but the closest you will get with a low RG ball.
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Maybe I'll do a cg on midline and a 5.5-5.75 pin to pap with a 40* val ...and I agree about the critical theory I owned one and that was the strongest pearl I ever put my fingers in not skid flip but long and extremely strong
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Revs don't always impart "snap"
Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...
Just some food for thought...
Amen to that!
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The only comparison I've done to any other brands is a review I did last March(2012). I do a mini comparison with my newly acquired Exodos Solid and Pin Hacker(the first two balls from Lord Field) with a few Lane Masters balls I had. Shortly after receiving these I pretty much liquidated all my Lane Masters balls as I knew this was the direction I was going to take.
MARCH 26, 2012
I finally got a chance to do a ball comparison of the Lord Field Exodus (2.7†Pin in RF, No WH, CG 1" RT of CL, 1/2" above midline, Dual Angle: 65* X 4" X 50*) and the Pin Hacker (2.4†Pin in RF, No WH, CG 1-1/2" RT of CL, 1/8" Above midline, Dual Angle: 55* X 4" X 45*). I compared them to my Lane Masters Masterpiece, Buzz Premium Edition and Blue Diamond Particle Pearl. I used them on my THS (37’ of oil using a new Kegel oiling machine and new Twister Pins on a newer synthetic Brunswick surface).
I first started with the Exodus throwing 18 at the arrows to 7-8 at the 40’ Range Finders and was hitting the pocket successfully. Then pulled out the Pin Hacker and had to tighten it up a bit, more like 18 at the arrows to 10-11 at 40’. Both balls from this line hit the pocket consistently (on this day….) and convinced me that this was the line to play for the comparison. Next I pulled out the Lane Masters/Legend Blue Diamond Particle Pearl (3†Pin above RF, No WH, CG 1-1/2" RT of CL, 1/2" Above midline, Dual Angle: 50*X 4" X 30*), from this line it was somewhat comparable to the Lord Field stuff except it didn’t quite recover as aggressively as the Exodus and Pin Hacker would but would strike if I tightened the line.
Next I pulled out the Lane Masters Buzz Premium Edition (2-3/4†Pin in RF, No WH, CG 1" RT of CL, on midline, Dual Angle: 65* X 3 7/8" X 45*) and Lane Masters/Legends Masterpiece (3-1/4†Pin above/RT of RF, WH 2-1/4" past VAL, 1" up, CG 1/2" above midline, Dual Angle: 38* X 3-1/4" X 30*). From the same line, the Buzz Premium Edition was very comparable to the Lord Field equipment and gave the best look of the 3 Lane Masters/Legends balls from this line and it’s shape was very similar to the Exodus . The Masterpiece was way too long for this part of the lane as it had a ton of polish over a 2000 grit abralon finish. It is my “so-called†dry/med ball at this particular house and probably wasn’t a good ball for this test. Although it does have it’s place on the right condition, today was not the day from this part of the lane.
Overall, the Exodus was the most aggressive of the 5 balls used, with the Buzz Premium Edition coming in 2nd, with the Pin Hacker next followed closely by the Blue Diamond and then a distant 5thwas the Masterpiece. I did have very good success as well with the Exodus at an older center in town, it was pretty much unstoppable once hitting the pocket and netted me my best scores of: 5-250+ games, 2-240+ games and several 230+ games. The Pin Hacker didn’t fair well in this older bowling center as it was little to over/under. I need to tweak the coverstock on it for the two centers I have been bowling in to make it useful and successful as the Exodus. Although, on this day the Pin Hacker performed admirably on my THS, it does seem to be a little “squirty†at times.
Final thoughts on the Lord Field bowling balls is they are excellent carrying and impressive balls when used on the right condition and are top-notch performers second to none. I look forward to the next two Exodus balls to add to my arsenal in the Exodus Pearl and the Exodus Iron.
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I've been throwing my Meanstreak almost exclusively the past 4-5 weeks. Just punched up my Judgement last night and laid it out exactly like the Meanstreak. I've got it being 2-3 boards more with a little more midlane, rolls great.. very smooth and predictable off the spot. Shot 715 out of the box in a tournament this morning with splits in the 10th each of the first two games, had the potential to be a huge set. I can definitely see some big scores coming with this ball.