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Impending Doom

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#!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« on: December 16, 2013, 11:24:42 AM »
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There. I said it. $@%#%@ all of it. I'm done bowling handicap tournaments and would love to never bowl on another THS again. After hardly bowling for 3 months, I walk in, shoot 690 for the first 3 games of a 4 game qualifier, and am still 100 out of the cut? So I should walk in and shoot 790 to stay in the hunt? Really? Glad the guy on top is getting 20/game and is shooting 260's all over the place.

That's fair. I promise.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2013, 07:08:19 AM »
I guess I don't understand.  You bowl a handicap tournament and then complain about the handicap.  What did you really expect?

There are going to be some sandbaggers here and there, but for the most part the people getting handicap need it and that is what they signed up for.  Handicap tournaments won't survive if they make their handicap system so the 170 and 180 bowlers can't compete with the guys that average 225.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2013, 09:28:35 AM »
I ran a weekly handicap throughout my state for over 11 years, plus a scratch one for the last 2 years.  Here was the problem.

Many higher average bowlers scream they wanted harder shots, but when I put one down, most of them did not show up.  Now why is that ?  Well, if you average 230 on THS and then I put down a much more difficult condition and you are not getting many pins, you can not compete with the handicap bowler that rolls the ball straight down the lane regardless of the condition.  You would think that the higher average bowler would make the proper lane adjustments but in most cases, NO.  Lets face it, many bowlers average high because the center where they bowl puts down a high scoring condition. They use the same ball and stand in the same spot on the lanes every week.  Thus inflating their average and their heads.

In my experience, higher average bowlers like to complain too much.  Shot is too easy, I can not compete or the shot is too hard and I do not get enough pins.

My advise to all the higher average bowlers is try to bowl in scratch ONLY tournaments and if you do try to bowl in a Handicap one, just put on your shoes, bowl and stop complaining. Lets face it, the tournament director did not force you to bowl in his tournament, that was your choice.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2013, 09:45:02 AM »
It sucks.  It always happens to me.
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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2013, 10:45:28 AM »
I understand where are you coming from... I used to gripe about the handicap at those tourny's more so after i showed up thinking that i was gonna do well and then lay a big ole egg and bowl like crap... That was then.. now i stick mostly to scratch tourny's and still bowl a few handicap with friends just for fun.. but then again ill use a handicap tourny as a chance to work myself out of slump or to kinda refocus now and then..

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2013, 11:06:28 AM »
I don't like bowling handicap either, I want to get beat because someone threw a better game than me.
Luckily for me, most of the tournaments I've bowled in have had the option of either handicap or scratch entries. Scratch side of course has less people so therefore less money won, which sucks.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2013, 11:18:40 AM »
I understand where are you coming from... I used to gripe about the handicap at those tourny's more so after i showed up thinking that i was gonna do well and then lay a big ole egg and bowl like crap... That was then.. now i stick mostly to scratch tourny's and still bowl a few handicap with friends just for fun.. but then again ill use a handicap tourny as a chance to work myself out of slump or to kinda refocus now and then..

I don't need to pay an entry fee to do that, lol. The week prior, no one was getting any cap. Made it more fair. I guess I just need to stick to scratch.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2013, 11:39:02 AM »
They should make handicap tournaments 100% of 300 :)

Instead of plus being over 200 it would be over 300

"How you shooting?"

"ah, I had 240 and 235 with a 220 average and 80 handicap.  I'm +35 at 635 through two."

I guess that would be pins over average....lame

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2013, 12:54:10 PM »
If you are a scratch bowler entering a handicap tourny you should just expect those type of results.  Best bet for you to make money is in brackets for the most part.
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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2013, 06:15:54 PM »
I guess I'm kinda lucky. Some hndcp tournaments are bowled non THS, or a mod ones. and there are option to go handicap or scatch brackets and side pots. I've learned to bowl these tourney for brackets and side pots. Also, since these tourney's sees the same folks every year, it's fun to see friends turn out - or make new ones.

Sorry that you have to go through crap like this,......
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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2013, 08:19:03 PM »
I'm at an unfortunate point in my bowling.  I currently am averaging yearbook 203, and 205-211 this year.  Too high to get much for handicap, but don't regularly bowl well enough to go to a score fest scratch tourney, and would need a cheap entry to make it worth the potential donating lesson.
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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2013, 08:47:05 PM »
I'm at an unfortunate point in my bowling.  I currently am averaging yearbook 203, and 205-211 this year.  Too high to get much for handicap, but don't regularly bowl well enough to go to a score fest scratch tourney, and would need a cheap entry to make it worth the potential donating lesson.
Yeah, same boat here. I think 190-210 average bowlers have the worst average for any tourney.  Not enough sticks to matter but not quite good enough to go toe to toe with the 220+ scratch

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2013, 04:21:05 PM »
The one localized tournament I have seen succeed used a system like this.

The first time you bowl, you use your book average.

For every tournament you enter and do not cash, they took 2 pins off your book average for the next tournament you entered with them.  (bowl 5 events and do not cash and you are -10 from your book average on event 6)

If you cashed, your average is +2 pins on what you entered that week with.

If you win a tournament, your new average is what you averaged for the tournament  that you won.

What it did was eliminate sandbaggers real quick.  They'd win one tournament and quit.  What was left was a group of true tournament bowlers whose averages fluctuated based on how good or bad they cashed, only the winners were reset.

It ran for years.  Bowling 3-4 events per month moving from house to house in the city with any where from 50-200 entries.  Mutiple squads and re-entry allowed.

And over the years the tournament director know who the known baggers in the area were.  When they showed up to bowl, he'd rerate them on the spot or they refuse to bowl.  Wasn't sanctioned so they couldn't appeal to anyone.


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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2013, 04:24:20 PM »
That is awesome.

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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2013, 05:02:45 PM »
The one localized tournament I have seen succeed used a system like this.

The first time you bowl, you use your book average.

For every tournament you enter and do not cash, they took 2 pins off your book average for the next tournament you entered with them.  (bowl 5 events and do not cash and you are -10 from your book average on event 6)

If you cashed, your average is +2 pins on what you entered that week with.

If you win a tournament, your new average is what you averaged for the tournament  that you won.

What it did was eliminate sandbaggers real quick.  They'd win one tournament and quit.  What was left was a group of true tournament bowlers whose averages fluctuated based on how good or bad they cashed, only the winners were reset.

It ran for years.  Bowling 3-4 events per month moving from house to house in the city with any where from 50-200 entries.  Mutiple squads and re-entry allowed.

And over the years the tournament director know who the known baggers in the area were.  When they showed up to bowl, he'd rerate them on the spot or they refuse to bowl.  Wasn't sanctioned so they couldn't appeal to anyone.

Great stuff - I like this.  Would love to see more of it.
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Re: #!#$ handicap tournaments and !$@$@ bowling them on house shots.
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2013, 05:47:15 PM »
900DJ

You hit the nail right on the head about 190-210 averages. That's where I've been for the last 6 years and I have won virtually nothing in tournaments that I've bowled in. Bowled really well a couple of times and was lucky to cash.