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Title: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 14, 2012, 07:48:53 AM
It was "just" practice (although it's never JUST practice to me) and I didn't feel nervous or tense, but I was anxious to get it over with. The previous 11 shots had all been solid and well thrown.  Even 2 Brooklyn's that were technically off the mark but delivered with the same smooth (for me) delivery as the others at just the right speed and angle. 
 
Had been here before too.  A total of 4 times.   But the previous 4 times I had been nervous and anxious and didn't throw the ball quite as hard cause I was trying to counter my tendency to throw too hard when I'm excited. No... this time I was cool as a cucumber.  Even considered sitting down for awhile or walking around and chatting with people. Anything that would be different from the first 4 times.
 
But I wasn't worried. I would just pick up the ball and throw it soon as I could before I forgot how to duplicate the exact delivery I had executed 11 times in succession.  So I picked up the ball and calmly got ready to throw and then ----there it was again.  The voice in my head!
 
It said to be sire to throw the ball hard enough (unlike the last 4 times) to compensate for the likelihood that I might not throw it hard enough. And then the other voice said that was hogwash, and that I shouldn't change anything and shouldn't be listening to the first voice or even the second one.  And I threw the ball and it was a relatively clean delivery and release, but because I had been thinking was just a hair slower then the previous balls (about 17.5 or so compared to the relatively high 18.3 for this mid fifties guy who still relies more on power than rotation), it started it's movement just about 2 seconds too soon, and ended up on the Brooklyn side. but this wasn't the hard type that would bury all 10 pins or the super light kind that would mix them into submission. This was just plain old stupid [choke!] of a Brooklyn, and the end result was another 298.   Have now thrown 4 of those and a 299 in the last 3 years.
 
And although this was my first time over 290 in 18 months and I should be happy about that in some way. right now I just see it as the 5th time I have messed up the 12th shot.
 
I wish I HAD been nervous, but I wasn't.  And I could have thrown a ball that I felt was a good shot and still gotten a 298 if 2 pins remained standing, but I KNOW (just like on the other 290 games) that the 12th shot was a stinker.  Not a horrible one, but it was not just bad luck. It was a choke.
 
Only it wasn't a choke from nerves. It was a choke of stupidity from thinking too much about the 12th shot. How does one stop themselves from doing that?  Maybe next time I should stop and go to the bar and order a drink or something?
 
Ugh !!!!!!!
 
Edited by Neptune66 on 1/14/2012 at 4:49 PM
 
Edited by Neptune66 on 1/14/2012 at 4:52 PM
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: imholte08 on January 14, 2012, 04:14:01 PM
Best way to calm down is deep relaxation breaths, random muscle flexing, and focus on the process at hand. Once you let the results of the situation creep into your head, it's hard to be focused on the important things. Just breathe and stay in the moment. 
 
Remember, the result comes from a solid process. If you make the process come first, more than likely positive results will yield.   
 
Edited by imholte08 on 1/14/2012 at 5:16 PM
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 14, 2012, 04:18:20 PM
QUIT KEEPING SCORE WHILE PRACTICING!!!!!  By just working on all the right things in practice, you shold be in a zone where you are just thinking about the ball you are rolling now, not what's at stake, score wise or money wise.  There are no pressure situations when up on the approach when you are approaching the game shot by shot.  This is the problem. 

 

BTW, two Brooklyn strikes that you threw well?  Really?  No such thing.  



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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Russell on January 14, 2012, 06:01:30 PM
Scoring in practice is a huge waste of time and energy.  If you throw 10 good shots, carry poorly and shoot 187...then next game yank 5 balls left of target but they hold and trip 4's....shoot 279....which game was better?

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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: glssmn2001 on January 14, 2012, 08:54:17 PM
Only it wasn't a choke from nerves. It was a choke  of stupidity from thinking too much about the 12th shot. How does one  stop themselves from doing that?  Maybe next time I should stop and go  to the bar and order a drink or something?
 
    You can do a few things different, unlike other I like that you practice and put pressure on yourself, it can make a difference. Anyway, you can try to distract yourself, as long as you can do it comfortably or even allow yourself to di it. You also need to stay focused on the positive, do not let the thoughts of brooklyns or leaving back row pins creep in. You can also use simple words or phrases to keep you in the moment, but the one I like the most is Do not focus on the mechanics, focus on the outcome.
  


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Quadrajet on January 15, 2012, 04:04:29 AM
Keep score in NO TAP mode, that way, all you have to do is worry about hitting the pocket, which is all you need to do in a regular 300.  It also gets you accustomed to throwing long strings of strikes.
 
If you still want to shoot your spares, keep the electronic scoring in normal mode and pick up your spares; but, keep score no-tap manually and only concern yourself with the manual scoring.


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 15, 2012, 03:39:22 PM
As others have said, make sure you develop a pre-shot routine that includes a couple of deep breaths and focusing your thoughts on one positive thing (whatever is pertinant to your game at that time).
 
The next time you hear those voices in your head that you don't want to hear, better to back off the approach and work that out first.
 
One thing I remember reading many years ago in a book on the mental game, the subconscience mind does not recognize the word 'not'.  So if you are thinking 'Do not pull the ball', it hears only 'Pull the ball', and you will probably do that.  How many times do you think 'Oh, I better not miss this ten pin' and then you do?  Better to think a positive outcome like 'Hit the target' or 'Stay down at the foul line', than 'Don't miss the target' or 'Don't jerk up at the foul line'.
 
 


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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 15, 2012, 03:46:10 PM
I keep score in practice because I am putting myself under the same pressure to succeed as if I were in league or a tournament. League does not cause me to feel any additional pressure. In fact I prefer to bowl anchor and have the shot matter for the team. That way I am not thinking as much about my own score.
 
One of the most frequent comments I have gotten from others after I felt I blew a 300, is that I wouldn't want to do it in practice anyway, but that is not true at all.  The only difference between practice and league to me is that in league I have to wait longer to deliver my next shot.  Call it selfish or call it nerves of steel, or just knowing my teammates well, but when I am up on the approach I do not worry about what my teammates will think of me or what they'll say if I don't come through.  I DO sometimes worry about what I will tell myself if that happens.
 
Case in point, the 298 that prompted this post.  I had nothing to worry about in terms of missing...since it was practice and I would not be getting a ring or any other kind of recognition.  Didn't matter. I WANTED it. And if I can do it in practice, I will feel less pressure if I find myself in the same situation in league. 
 
I have strung 5,6,7 and even 9 or 10 or more strilkes together often enough (including league play), and although it's more satisfying in league, I can honestly say that  I felt no additional pressure. So when I am practicing, I am working on my mental state as much as any mechanics, and this is why I was kind of upset about the 298. I was within reach of a goal and failed.  Sometimes the goal is simply to finish strong or over a certain score. But once you have the first 11, there is no longer any grey area. You either pass or fail.
 
Had I thrown a well delivered ball that was just as good as the first 11, and two pins remained standing anyway, that would have been ok.  My problem is that I knew as soon as I was delivering the ball that it was no good.  And that's the situation I want to avoid next time.
 
I want my 12th shot to be as good as most or all of the 11 that preceeded it.  I want to be able to shut off my brain for the 12th shot the way I did for the first 11.  Each time (of the 5 near misses) I have gone deeper into the game before allowing myself to think about the possibility of a perfect game. If I compare it to a clock, the first time I was able to get to about 11:55pm before the thoughts creeped in (9th/10th balls). Then about 18 months ago, I got to 11:57 (11th ball). And this time, I actually was ok when I was on the approach and just as I was about to deliver the ball, the thought (of a perfect game) was there.
 
 Maybe next time, I should go for a strong drink or something before the 12th delivery.  It's almost as if I am in a hurry to throw the 12th shot before the pins wise up and do something to stop me (like holding hands!).
 
 
 Anyway...  if I didn't keep score in practice and rattled off 10 or so strikes in a row, it would mean nothing ause I would feel no pressure. And then in league I would not be able to tell mysef that I had done this before.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 15, 2012, 03:54:58 PM
Thank you MI 2 AZ. 
 
I was typing a reply and just now saw yours.  You described exactly what happened.
 
I was telling myself not to ease up in the shot (like I did the other 4 times) and that in itself is not bad, but just as you pointed out, my subconcious did not hear the "not".
 
So next time ---if I can't stop talking to myself--- I at least need to change the instruction to "be sure to keep the speed up on the ball", or "be sure to throw the ball far enough out  and let it come back".
 
Cause it's mainly been a softer shot (the 12th one) each time).  I was trying to be careful. And I wasn't careful on the first 11. But even there... I can't say to myself "don't be too careful". It would need to be something like "let er rip" or "keep doing what you've been doing".
 
By the way... i don't remember where I saw it, but I do remember reading something very similar to what you posted.  Unfortunately it was a long time ago and I didn't remember it yesterday.
 
 
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: iced earth on January 15, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
I'd give you some advice, but I just realized I might be the worst 12th shot bowler in history. I have 31 300 games...out of over 80 chances! But I do have at least two of everything from 294 to 299!

 

Just keep practicing! It'll happen!

 


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: JohnP on January 15, 2012, 04:33:09 PM
The mind works in strange ways, I find that the best thing to do is get my mind completely off bowling in stress situations.  While you get set up, let your mind wander to a golf game (or something else you can use to stay distracted).  Then, right before you take your first step move your concentration to rolling the ball over your target.  --  JohnP


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 15, 2012, 06:49:36 PM
Well... thank you to all who replied.
 
Also..  on a lighter note, but one I forgot to mention, I should have actually listened to one of the voices in my head at the time.  As I was nearing the foul line and beginning my delivery, a voice inside my head said "you are not lined up properly... you're a shoulders aren't quite square" ----or something similar to that.
 
I considered aborting the delivery and returning to the ball return to restart the delivery, but was afraid that one of the spectators that had taken notice would engage me in conversation and that this would ruin my concentration. Well... hindsight IS 20/20, and obviously the keeping quiet and hurrying up and throwing the 12th ball before anything bad can happen isn't working.  Right?
 
So next time, whether it's aborting the shot if it doesn't feel right, or starting up a conversation with someone, or going to the bar for a drink, or just walking around for awhile, I am going to do SOMETHING differently than I have the first 5 times.
 
Kind of reminds me of that movie "Groundhog Day", where Bill Murray is determined to change the outcome in some way.  
 
Moral of the story...  next time I am going to make sure that the the 12th shot has a different storyline, even if the end result is the same.  And who knows...maybe it will ensure a different result.
 
 
 
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 15, 2012, 07:01:09 PM
All this during a practice session?  You actually notice "spectators" during practice sessions?  You actually think you have "spectators" during your practice sessions.  Too much junk going your head at your practice sessions.   Too much worrying about score during your practice session.  Why even call it practice.  You're just bowling for score during open bowling. 



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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: spmcgivern on January 16, 2012, 07:16:27 AM
Have to agree with Sunshine, score during practice is irrelevant.  In some ways, scores during leagues and tournaments are irrelevant.  If you want to improve your performance during any situation you may come across, you need to concentrate on the process and not the outcome.  Only thing you have control over is the process of throwing your ball.  If you approach each shot individually and work to execute the shot at hand, the result will take care of itself. 


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Edited by spmcgivern on 1/16/2012 at 8:17 AM
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: ithinkican on January 16, 2012, 07:45:28 AM
like earl anthony said. the elventh shot is the one to worry over. once you have it, the 12th one is like no other frame.


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: trash heap on January 16, 2012, 10:33:21 AM


Neptune66 wrote on 1/15/2012 4:46 PM: The only difference between practice and league to me is that in league I have to wait longer to deliver my next shot. 


And its a big difference. That's why practice is not like league. You can easily repeat shots when you don't have to wait. The other big difference is you don't have others messing with the oil pattern. 

Practice is about working on improving your game. Truly if you want to experience competitive envrinoment then try to bowl with others or at least increase time between shots. The key to this game is being able to repeat shots.

 

Your 12th shot should be no different than the previous 11. You must make moves according to the condition you truly beleive that is out on the lane. Worrying about slowing down or speeding up, then trying to compensate for it is totally incorrect way of thinking. 

 

Obviously you are not focussing on throwing a good shot. You are thinking more about what is going to go wrong then right. This is the mental aspect of the game. You need to stay focussed, if your mind starts to drift, step off the approach. It is so crucial to get that preshot routine in place. You should already know where and how you are going to throw the ball. Now its just time to step up on the approach and execute.  
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: WaltMisser on January 16, 2012, 06:33:18 PM

I find common ground with only a few of the threads here.  Whether it be league, open play, tourney, pot games, etc., are all irrelevant.  For that matter, the score is irrelevant as well.  Simply put, an understanding of this will enhance execution.  A 300 game is not a measure of one's ability as a bowler, nor as a human being.  It is merely an isolated score.   



Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 16, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
I know that I mentally mishandled the 12th ball, which is what prompted me to make my original post.
 
But for those that recommend not keeping score and working on my mechanics ---  not the problem in this case.  Had I thrown the ball poorly due to poor execution or lack of concentration, then yes. But then I also wouldn't have been as upset, either.  The reason this was so frustrating was because it was my thought process or attitude that changed and messed up the shot. I didn't trip or stumble or a\miss my mark.  I was doomed before I even released the ball.
 
And THAT's what Iwant to prevent next time.   As long as I can deliver the ball with the same authority and confidence as the first eleven, I'll be happy.  Happier if all 10 go down, but I CAN bowl a 298 and be ok with it ----providing the ball is delivered as I intend it to be.  Then if it's off target or even on target and the results aren't there, so be it.
 
As for the "spectators" ... I didn't invite them or want them, but they were there, and although I did not want them to have any influence, somehow they did (I hurried up to throw the last ball before my karma changed).
 
Next time....  I won't care if everyone in the bowling alley is watching. Cause this failed attempt has given me a little more of a chip on my shoulder than the first 4 did.  I cannot quite describe it, but I am angry this time, and more determined than ever to reach my goal. Preferably in league, but not a necessity.  The other times....  I was more disappointed or depressed than angry.
 
 
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: WaltMisser on January 16, 2012, 09:06:06 PM

I think you may have missed my point.  Whether or not you get/got the 300 game is not a "measure" of you as a human being and/or bowler.  I think you are being too hard on yourself.  You are allowed to be human.



Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Pinbuster on January 17, 2012, 07:33:52 AM
As long as there are voices in your head you are nervous/choking. The only thing you should be doing is going thru your preshot routine and then trying to replicate the feel of the previous shots. It should be pretty much on autopilot.

 

Your initial paragraph says a lot to me in that you didn't have a problem with the 2 brooklyns. Those are bad shots, not just a little bad but bad. If they were the right speed and angle then you must have missed your target by 3 boards at least.

 

Bowling on a THS lulls us into thinking what is a good shot, in that many "bad" shots still find the pocket and often strike.


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 17, 2012, 07:50:31 AM
Your initial paragraph says a lot to me in that you didn't have a problem with the 2 brooklyns. Those are bad shots, not just a little bad but bad. If they were the right speed and angle then you must have missed your target by 3 boards at least.
 

EXACTLY!!!  That says it all about the OP's thought processes and his practice habits.  He throws two Brooklyns but instead of saying they were bad shots, he rationalizes them because, gosh, they were part of 11 in a row and he has a shot at a practice 300.  A practice 300 which is worth nothing.  Almost 20% of the balls he threw up to the 12th frame were bad balls!  Pulled your arm across his body or thumb was down meaning he overturned, etc.  That is what keeping score does for you.  Did you know that you can tell the counter that you don't want to keep score and they can set the computers to do that?  That is what you should be doing.  You should be counting how many times you hit your mark, how many times you hit the pocket, and how many times your pocket hits carried for strikes.  When you left a ten was it a weak ten or a ringing ten?  That's what you concentrate on in practice, not a fools gold 300 or 700 plus series.



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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 17, 2012, 09:01:41 AM
In a way I am being too hard on myself, but it was still a choke.  Only in this case, the battle was in keeping myself on autopilot and keeping the voices from creeping into my conciousness for the entire game.  I succeeded on the first 11 and failed on the 12th.
 

As for the debate about the Brooklyns being bad shots or not, I do hear you.  And I am well aware that a Brooklyn is an off-target ball. But it's not that simple. Sometimes----as I am delivering the ball--- I can feel that I am lined up wrong and I know that the ball is going to go through the nose, so I conciously give it a little extra push or lift on purpose knowing it will cross over to Brooklyn.  Am I that good that I can always do this and get a strike every time?  No.  But it is a last minute adjustment made on purpose with the intent of hitting the Brooklyn side of the head pin versus hitting it dead on.

 

That doesn't make it a textbook strike, but it's not the same thing as a completely errant shot that just happened to saunter into the Brooklyn pocket and result in a strike.  The 2 balls that hit Brooklyn were otherwise thrown well and I KNEW that there was a high probability that they were going to be solid strikes.  The 12th shot was a weak shot that I KNEW as soon as I released it was not going to produce a good result whether it hit the pocket or Brooklyn.

 

As for measuring my worth as a bowler or person by getting (or not) a 300.  I won't be jumping off any tall buildings if I don't succeed.   It's just that I have now had 5 opportunities to do something that was very important to me, and have not succeeded. It will be that much sweeter when I do, but it's still disappointing.

 

Plus...  I have scheduled knee surgery (meniscus) for late April, and it would be nice to have attained my first 300 game before going on the disabled list for a several weeks.
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: dizzyfugu on January 17, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
 



Pinbuster wrote on 17.01.2012 8:33 AM:
As long as there are voices in your head you are nervous/choking. The only thing you should be doing is going thru your preshot routine and then trying to replicate the feel of the previous shots. It should be pretty much on autopilot.
Absolutely correct. I also have come close to the 300 two times, and ironically both ended ina 279 in a kind of deja vu. Both were training, one even with mass audience during official club training. Both times I recognized after 7 striokes up front that there COULD be a good result coming up, but I did not pay much attention, I focussed on execution and the "groove". This went pretty well, until the 10th frame when in both cases the ball started hooking a bit too early, leaving a 9... Not 100% certain whether it was me becoming a bit too cautious (and therefore less frim with the release), or just the line having dried up so that the ball would hook that foot sooner... anyway, I do not see both occasions as a failure - I enjoyed it while it lasted, and both were good games. A 300 might come along, but I am not keen on it as a "trophy", I rather see it as a bonus for well executed shots that would carry the deck. If there's a Brookyn strike or something messy... who cares afterwards? We are human, after all!

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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 17, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
Have danced around it enough.  A practice 300 is NOT a 300.  It doesn't matter to anybody.  It counts for nothing.  Nobody cares.  It wasn't shot during league with distractions and some pressure.  It wasn't shot in a tourney with money and a lot of pressure.  IT DOESN'T COUNT.  Quit rationalizing.  I have sanctioned 300s and I have strung enough strikes in practice to have many more.  Guess which ones I talk about when talking honor scores?   Plain and simple, you're practice attitude is flawed.  It will not get you to where you want to go in bowling.  Turn off the scoreboards.  I speak from experience. 



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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 17, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Only rebuttal I will make is that once you have reached an accomplishment in league or tournament, then of course the practice means nothing.  As for anyone noticing or caring about the practice version? 
 

I would know that I had accomplished something that was important to me.  That would be enough ----until the next league outing at least.
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: spmcgivern on January 17, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
Obviously your current method of bowling under whatever pressure you put on yourself isn't working.  I think that is what should be taken from this.  I understand you have a goal in mind and unfortunately you have also put a time frame goal with it.  This is counterproductive in any competitive setting.  You have to concentrate on the PROCESS of throwing the ball and nothing else, not matter what the conditions are.  Throw the ball to the best of your ability (including speed, balance, rotation, tilt.... anything you want to work on) and the result will occur when it occurs. 

If you want a 300, your goal shouldn't be getting 12 strikes in a row, but throwing 12 good shots in a game.  Not 8 really good shots, 2 brooklyns on purpose and 2 "I'm not sures".  12 good shots.  Once you get in that frame of mind, you will improve your performance in any situation and your goals will be realized. 

Just as an experiment, practice for a month without keeping score.  Work on the fundamentals you need to work on.  When you bowl league or a tournament, do the same thing you did in practice.  Concentrate on throwing the ball the best you can.  Make your adjustments before you step on the lane.  Once your foot hits the lane, be committed to your decision on any adjustments. 

Do this while becoming more consistent in the fundamentals and come back and let us know the results.  You will not become a worse bowler.  I am willing to bet you will impress yourself.  Will you get a 300?  Can't say for sure, maybe you will.  But you will perform better in all situations.


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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 18, 2012, 07:49:44 AM
Well, I can't say whether I'll take the plunge and practice without keeping score after 40+ years of keeping score.
 

However, I will concede that my results (both in bowling and other areas) are better when I am not trying so hard to achieve perfection (pun not intended, but leaving it in just the same).

 

In fact..  I can honestly say that every one of my 5 near misses (four 298's and a 299), happened on days where bowling a 300 was the furthest thing on my mind----at least until after I had thrown the first 5 or 6 strikes.

 

On a positive note, I started a game last night in league with the first 4, and although I can't say that going off the sheet never occured to me, I had a much more ho-hum feeling about it than before.  Not that a 4-bagger would cause me to kick up my heals and get super-excited normally.  It was a subtle difference.  But somehow I have mentally moved my excitement level further down in the game.  I didn't bowl anywhere near 300 either, but it was a decent game and I finished strong, so I was ok with it.

 

Maybe next time I find myself with the first 11, I will not view the 12th shot as a different animal and will truly FEEL that way naturally, rather than running an inner dialogue in my head where I am trying to convince myself of this fact.  I think that's the key for me.

 

I KNOW intellectually that the 12th shot should be no different than the rest and carry no additional pressure.  I obviously still have to work on actually feeling nothing special when I am about to deliver it.  Whether that comes naturally, or whether I need to walk away from the lane, or get a stiff drink, or talk to someone before throwing it, remains to be seen.

 

And I can see that if I can get myself to practice without keeping score that I may actually start bowling in league without keeping score (or keeping score as much).  And that would be a good thing.
 
Edited by Neptune66 on 1/18/2012 at 8:54 AM
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: spmcgivern on January 18, 2012, 08:36:48 AM
I wish you the best in getting the monkey off your back.  I was lucky, I was able to get a 300 after one 299 game.  (I don't count my 296 as a junior bowler)  It is impossible to feel the same on the 12th ball of a 300 as the first.  You can only hope your mind allows your body to do the same it had the previous 11.  I can only imagine the added pressure one would feel after so many chances at 300 and not be successful. 

Just stay positive, don't let doubt creep in, and I feel your goals will be achieved eventually.


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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: trash heap on January 18, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
Well stated. Be positive. Don't let this be too much of a burden. Stating from experience, don't keep score in practice so much. It really does make a difference. 

  



spmcgivern wrote on 1/18/2012 9:36 AM:
I wish you the best in getting the monkey off your back.  I was lucky, I was able to get a 300 after one 299 game.  (I don't count my 296 as a junior bowler)  It is impossible to feel the same on the 12th ball of a 300 as the first.  You can only hope your mind allows your body to do the same it had the previous 11.  I can only imagine the added pressure one would feel after so many chances at 300 and not be successful. 


Just stay positive, don't let doubt creep in, and I feel your goals will be achieved eventually.


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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 18, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
Thanks.
 

I always start off not caring about the score.  Even in league.

 

At first am just happy to be able to deliver the ball relatively pain free, and have it hit with authority at or near the point where I aimed it.  But sometimes, after I throw 3 or 4 strikes in a row, the "just happy to be here and be competitive" mindset morphs into "I have to keep this going and see where it goes", and when it does, the quality of the deliveries tends to deteriorate.

 

I used to think it was cause I was nervous, bt can honestly say I was not nervous at all last Saturday.  I was anxious, though, and irrational in my desire to hurry up and deliver the ball before the magic went away.

 

Course...  the magic was gone as soon as I allowed that thought to enter my head.

 

:-)

 

 
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: pin-chaser on January 25, 2012, 12:57:37 PM
Pressure we apply to ourselves. In all honesty and simplisity, if you struck 11 times the odds are higher that you will strike on 12 than not. No shot, even the 12th is more important than any other shot. You did not feel pressue on the first, third or any other... why apply it on the 12th? Every shot is about execution or else you are limiting your potential. Preshot routine, consistancy, imagery  are all good things... but when standing on the approach about take that first step... you have got to believe that you will strike, you have got to believe that if not this time it will happen. Focus on changing your thoughts because as everyone knows, what can happen will including doubt, insecurity and pressure keep us all from achieving what we have never done before.


Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Neptune66 on January 25, 2012, 03:34:01 PM
Thanks. I do appreciate your words of wisdom.
 

There was a very different feeling this time AFTER the blown 12th shot vs the previous 4 times.  The other times I was totally deflated, and felt I would never have the opportunity again....or not for a long time.  I was mad at myself for blowing it.  But it was more sadness or depression.

 

This time, I felt more confident even as I had blown it.  It felt purely like a mistake in judgement, like one feels when they choose the wrong ball or golf club, or wrong strategy.  It wasn't because my nerves overcame me, but because I played the wrong tape in my head. 

 

It wasn't that I froze or was scared or nervous, and it wasn't cause I was overwhelmed. It wasn't even poor execution.  It was just a bad decision (to hurry up and throw the shot).

 

I am actually MORE confident now that I will eventually get that 300.  I'll still have to work a little harder on silencing or re-directing the soundtrack in my head until I get it, but something in me changed when I missed that shot. I actually think it vaccinated me in some way so i can succeed next time.
Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 25, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Guess you'll never understand the fact that you "blew" nothing by not carrying a 12th practice ball. 



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Title: Re: 0 for 5 on the 12th shot
Post by: spmcgivern on January 26, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
I have to slightly disagree here.  I know it is hard to ignore the situation, but to be more successful in times like this, you can't tell yourself you are going to strike this time.  That is worrying about the RESULT and not the PROCESS.  The minute you can ignore the score you have, or might have, and concentrate on throwing the proper shot, you will have better success. 

Pin-chaser is right about applying pressure.  The pressure should be the same the first ball as it is the last ball, but to do this, you have to worry about the process of throwing the ball.  This is where the pre-shot routine and imagery comes into play.  It should be the same for every ball you throw, irregardless of the score.  And this is why scores don't matter.
 



pin-chaser wrote on 1/25/2012 1:57 PM:
Pressure we apply to ourselves. In all honesty and simplisity, if you struck 11 times the odds are higher that you will strike on 12 than not. No shot, even the 12th is more important than any other shot. You did not feel pressue on the first, third or any other... why apply it on the 12th? Every shot is about execution or else you are limiting your potential. Preshot routine, consistancy, imagery  are all good things... but when standing on the approach about take that first step... you have got to believe that you will strike, you have got to believe that if not this time it will happen. Focus on changing your thoughts because as everyone knows, what can happen will including doubt, insecurity and pressure keep us all from achieving what we have never done before.




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