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fishbowler

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10 pin carry issues
« on: December 19, 2011, 07:38:21 AM »
it seems in this house I have bowled with for years, well the last couple of years I have left a ridiculous amount of ten pins, almost all the solid, "fast" 6 flies around or up and around 10 pin.  Most nites I leave 10-12, sometimes 14-15 a nite. These arent flat 6 laying in the gutter dead tens, I know what those are about, but to be honest those have almost competely disappeared from my game during this two game ten pin nightmare.  The other night I shot 688 with 14 ten pins went clean 30, then shot 693 with 13 ten pins clean thirty.  Most nites about all I leave other than the occassional 8 or 9 is the 10 pin.  Thank God I pick it up good as Lord knows I get enough practice at it:)  I am very serious bowler who can adjust my line quickly and switch balls with no problems.  On the two nites I mentioned I used 4 different bowling balls and couldnt find a happy zone that would carry.  Just ringing type fast 10's, not alot to say.  it is of note that in that house I never had 10 pin issues in all the years I bowled there but they got new pins two years ago and they seem crazy light, if I hit light I carry a lot better but that is the norm I beleive with todays equipment.  I have an arsenal ranging from nexus solid down to avalance slide and everything in between, pin ups, pin downs, long pins short pins, angular equipment, slow arcing equipment, no matter the ten pin rears about every 3rd shot.  Just wondering what all of you have tried to counteract this carry issue and what has worked for you.  what has seemed to help is if I stay more direct but in this house the head oil goes away after game 1 and my slow speed suffers.  Maybe I just suck which is most likely the case:)
 
 
 


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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 06:16:26 PM »
For me it is how the ball is finishing. When playing more direct I seem to have my best carry. When I'm playing this line and ringing 10s it is because of how the ball is finishing. It is usually not progressing through the 3 stages. Skid, hook, then roll. When the ball is still hooking, and not rolling into the pocket I usually experience ringing tens.
 
When I need to move in and hook the ball it is harder for me to be as consistent with this as playing up the boards. This usually leads to me having more ringing 10s because of the comfort level of the line I'm playing.


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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 07:14:55 PM »
I will add that my carry is much better early when head oil is more plentiful...  but I switch to a more polished ball and I still leave tens and the ball is clearly not rolling out or burning up.

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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 10:12:17 AM »
A couple of different thoughts.
 
You say you carry better on the fresh when there's still oil up front. Do you move left as they break down to find more oil up front? Or do you ball down and try to play the same line? How about playing a more direct and tighter line deeper in after the lanes breakdown? I used to bowl in a house notorious for 10 pins before it flooded and was condemned. In this house after game one I would try not to touch dry boards and just moved deeper and more direct sometimes having to use more ball since I was keeping it just inside the oil line. The carry was much better for me doing this than trying to bank it off the dry.
 
The other thought is the same as kidlost's "Skid, hook, then roll. When the ball is still hooking, and not rolling into the pocket I usually experience ringing tens." You said your ball is not rolling out/buring up, maybe your ball isn't bleeding enough energy off to roll how it needs to so it carries.
 



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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 05:03:49 PM »

 



al_g wrote on 12/20/2011 11:12 AM:
A couple of different thoughts.

 

You say you carry better on the fresh when there's still oil up front. Do you move left as they break down to find more oil up front? Or do you ball down and try to play the same line? How about playing a more direct and tighter line deeper in after the lanes breakdown? I used to bowl in a house notorious for 10 pins before it flooded and was condemned. In this house after game one I would try not to touch dry boards and just moved deeper and more direct sometimes having to use more ball since I was keeping it just inside the oil line. The carry was much better for me doing this than trying to bank it off the dry.

 

The other thought is the same as kidlost's "Skid, hook, then roll. When the ball is still hooking, and not rolling into the pocket I usually experience ringing tens." You said your ball is not rolling out/buring up, maybe your ball isn't bleeding enough energy off to roll how it needs to so it carries.

 



Exactly - There are times I leave 7 pins (lefty) because the ball is not getting into a proper roll and the ball is still hooking into the pocket.  The shot might look like it's flush but I've overshot the right breakpoint and the ball has not transitioned properly.  For me it's a speed issue and I focus my concentration on slowing things down.  You might be overcompensating when the oil is burnt and throwing too hard and overshooting the right breakpoint...but I nor others can really say without seeing you bowl.


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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 10:10:13 PM »
You would be surprised how effective just moving up or back on the approach a couple of inches in taking that ten pin out.  Give it a try.



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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 01:56:50 AM »
 +1
Moving for or backward on the approach, half a step, always seems to clear up a solid 10 issue
Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 12/20/2011 11:10 PM:
You would be surprised how effective just moving up or back on the approach a couple of inches in taking that ten pin out.  Give it a try.



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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 08:14:05 AM »
 The answer to your question is covered well above. It's all about entry angle. You change it by moving back, up, left or right. By doing this you also give the ball a chance to burn off energy and get into a good roll. 7,9 and 10 pin leaves on what look like pocket hits are generally not good angle pocket hits. The occasional 8 pin leave may be a true tap but can be caused by roll out and ball deflection.

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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 08:18:58 AM »
thanks to all who replied, some very good thoughts.  will try moving back or forward on approach and see what that brings.  last nite I left two solid 7-9 pocket shots and the most amazing leave ever, a 7-8-9, yes, but it wasnt really an 8 pim somehting slid stright back and stood solid right in 8 pin spot after ball had gone through.  That made me truly joyous for the season!

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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 08:35:10 AM »
Some say the best strike for safety of carry and avoidance of flat and ringing 10s is one that carry's the 1 pin towards the 7(very visible).  Or the 1 towards the 10 for lefties.

 

The more one can accomplish this by ball match up etc the less one seems to get tapped.  Not always possible.

 

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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 09:59:48 AM »
Another reason for carrying better on oil up front, is that there is usually less in the back to delay the hook.

Softening my shot seems to work best for me, if I cannot move right.
 



al_g wrote on 12/20/2011 11:12 AM:
A couple of different thoughts.

 

You say you carry better on the fresh when there's still oil up front. Do you move left as they break down to find more oil up front? Or do you ball down and try to play the same line? How about playing a more direct and tighter line deeper in after the lanes breakdown? I used to bowl in a house notorious for 10 pins before it flooded and was condemned. In this house after game one I would try not to touch dry boards and just moved deeper and more direct sometimes having to use more ball since I was keeping it just inside the oil line. The carry was much better for me doing this than trying to bank it off the dry.

 

The other thought is the same as kidlost's "Skid, hook, then roll. When the ball is still hooking, and not rolling into the pocket I usually experience ringing tens." You said your ball is not rolling out/buring up, maybe your ball isn't bleeding enough energy off to roll how it needs to so it carries.

 




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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 10:02:26 AM »
oh I am money in 9 pin no taps, same house had one last year and went 300-300-290

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Re: 10 pin carry issues
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2011, 10:02:31 AM »
DMonroe,

 

Great point, I tell that to my rifle throwing son all the time, higher in the pocket, soft is good sometimes!

 

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