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marauder181

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10 Pin Help
« on: April 10, 2012, 04:23:40 PM »
The biggest hole in my game right now is my 10 pin shot.  It's inconsistent for me, some nights I'll be 5 out of 6, other times I may be dreadful and only be 2/6.  These are free pins I know I have to be near automatic when converting.

 

I use a prorelease glove I keep on the 4th out of 5th setting on all shots which keeps my wrist cupped.  The ten pin is the only shot I use the 3rd setting to have a flat wrist.  I never feel comfortable doing this.

 

I try to stand with my left shoulder lined up close to the left gutter and aim for between the 3rd and 4th arrow.  I'm not the greatest at focusing on a spot on the lane when throwing.

 

Any tips or pointers would be much appreciated.  Once I get a better approach I'll go and practice just 10 pins.


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Sunshine n Lollipops

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 04:40:01 PM »
The biggest problems I see when people go for ten pins (as a righty) are 1.  They get fast with their feet and mess their timing up.  Slow down and make sure you're footwork is the same as on their strike ball and 2.  They line up facing the ten pin but they don't walk straight to it.  They subconciously sense the right gutter and their feet drift left causing the body to move away from the swing slot so they wind up pulling it or pushing it.  Face the pin, walk straight, keep your tempo and you will convert them more often. 
 
As an aside, unless you have a physical problem that necessitates using your wrist device, ditch it.  It will feel weird at first but you will gain more flexibility to adjust your hand at the line.  A straight wrist will still allow a hook ball.  If you're going to keep on using it, you should put in on a setting that will break the wrist back so you're spare ball will be straighter   



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DON DRAPER

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 06:40:20 PM »
Most players do not stand far enough left.......nor do they target far enough left. On most house shots there is more oil in the center part of the lane......especially between the 4th and 5th arrows. Stand on 40 and target between the 4th and 5th arrows. And it helps to remove the wrist device. A plastic ball wouldn't hurt either.
 
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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 08:29:32 PM »
Oil in center of lane is of no consequence if you throw straight at the corner pins.
 
DON DRAPER wrote on 4/10/2012 4:40 PM:Most players do not stand far enough left.......no do they target far enough left. On most house shots there is more oil in the center part of the lane......especially between the 4th and 5th arrows. Stand on 40 and target between the 4th and 5th arrows. And it helps to remove the wrist device. A plastic ball wouldn't hurt either.




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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 08:48:37 PM »
Didn't mention if you used a lesser friction ball or plastic but the first problem without even seeing it is your targeting the arrows. Some can do this like the Bo Burtons of the world but if you can spot at the reflection of the pin with speed and don't hit up on it much with a loose armswing straight towards the pin you will improve. I used to use my strike ball and put 2 revs on the ball straight at it but the lift is more consistent for me which decided after many years to go back to a spare ball and has helped my average in doing so. I shoot at 6's and 4's and 7's with it also which was even more of an adjustment. Tough shots and the pbax league proves it also.

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DON DRAPER

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 09:28:39 PM »
True enough, but most league players will find the oil there to give them more margin of error.......so do I.

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marauder181

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 09:40:35 PM »
Forgot to mention I am using a plastic ball on the 10 pin.

I'll start trying it without the glove.

Thanks for the tips.

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 10:52:34 PM »
What Sunshine said...and I'll add another:
 
3.  They try to *throw* the ball at the spare rather than just *roll* it.  As a result, the shoulders get all out of whack, and they get out of alignment.  Or their armswing gets way too high, and they get out of time because of it.
 
I see this all the time...and sometimes I'm guilty of it myself. 
Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 4/10/2012 2:40 PM:
The biggest problems I see when people go for ten pins (as a righty) are 1.  They get fast with their feet and mess their timing up.  Slow down and make sure you're footwork is the same as on their strike ball and 2.  They line up facing the ten pin but they don't walk straight to it.  They subconciously sense the right gutter and their feet drift left causing the body to move away from the swing slot so they wind up pulling it or pushing it.  Face the pin, walk straight, keep your tempo and you will convert them more often. 


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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 11:02:34 PM »
Line up far enough left and make sure to walk towards the pin. You can not just walk straight up the lane and then just try to throw your arm and ball in another direction.

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 02:39:18 PM »
Try breaking your wrist back as far as you can in your set-up and leave it that way throughout your swing and release.  It's easier to throw the ball straight if your fingers are above the ball's equator.  When you release keep your thumb and fingers both going straight toward the ten pin (no rotation) to get an end over end roll that won't break.  --  JohnP


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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 12:25:15 PM »
There's also a mental part of it. If you do not believe that you make the 10 pin, you won't - and this feeling will take deep roots and influence more than you'd expect or consciously witness. Think weak, be weak.!

 

I also had a 10 pin bane, due to inconsistency and "respect" for the task. I worked on mechanics (including a totally broken-back and clockwise turned wrist, resulting in a kind of full roller release for an end-over-end forward roll), and I got to the point that I was certain that I had my "10 pin system" right, with speed, release, target, alignment. Finally I got aware of the human factor, and only since I found more confidence in my skills my 10 pin conversion rate rised. It is not perfect, far from it, but I have changed my point of view on this topic, am much more aware of what I do and think, and this also makes error analysis and living with the consequences much easier.


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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 12:40:44 PM »
I think you make too much about the Pro release.  Unless you have the cupping of the Pro Release so much that its too much, you can easily make the 10 pin with the Pro Release on using a plastic ball imho.  I used a several different wrist supports before I finally gave up on them completely and with the exception of extremely dry lanes, the wrist support was not the problem,  all the other things mentioned was the problem.
 
Again imho, by changing the setting on the Pro Release or taking it off, gives you hand/wrist such a different feeling that it can mess with the feeling for strikes as well.  There is oil in most house shots in the middle, plastic balls hook very little in oil no matter the release its just a matter of being close to your target that allows you to make the 10 pin. Not only face your 10 pin and walk towards it, but if you are physically able, bend your knee toward the ten pin.  I usually take the polish off my plastic ball, it helps to prevent the ball from slipping into the gutter.
 
If your Pro Release is so cupped that your wrist and hand are locked, its too cupped.  You don't need all that unless you are trying to hook the total lane.  Free the wrist and hand a little and your wrist will still be supported.
 
Good luck.
 
 
 


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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 03:28:51 PM »
There is no specific place to stand when throwing for a ten pin. Every bowler is different. Yes its better to be on the left side, but it doesn't mean you have be up against the gutter.

 

Advice: Go open bowl and throw only at the ten pin. Rember to take notes. Don't be afraid to try different things. Pick a board to stand on and throw at the 10 pin only. Do it a few times. Does feel comfortable...no? Then move to another location (3 boards left),  or angle your feet a little. Experiment. The idea is finding what works for you.

 

Once you find something that works test it. Throw your strike ball, then throw for the 10 pin (it doesn't matter if it's up there or not). If things don't feel right. Try a different location. The idea is to get confidence that you can pick it up. You want it to feel automatic. You shouldn't forcing yourself to do it. It should be as simple as you throwing your strike ball.

 
 
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marauder181

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Re: 10 Pin Help
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 11:21:23 AM »
Thanks guys, some great notes in here.

 

This biggest thing I took away from this is the angling of my feet.  I for some reason had gotten away from this on my first ball and it was making it much tougher for my to get the ball out to the right.  I started doing this more pronounced this week and my first ball was hitting great.  I only left one ten pin that night but I still have to go and just practice that.


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