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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Hook on October 28, 2007, 11:06:15 AM
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A slow bowler on lane 1 is on the approach and is about to bowl. Bowler on lane 2 has his ball and has been ready to bowl for about 10 seconds. Bowler on lane 3 then picks up his ball and is now also ready to bowl. In a league with 2-lane courtesy, which bowler goes next, the bowler on lane 2 or 3?
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I would say lane 2.
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Brunswick
Kyle
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Rule of thumb is the bowler on the right goes first.
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bowl in one regional and you will see what a great pace they're lane courtesy gives you... lane 3 wouldve went next and then when they went lane 2 wouldve went. It really sounds slow but its not bad at all. Not saying which person needs to go in ur league but keep that in mind. And look into finding out exactly how the pba does it. Kindly suggest this to ur fellow bowlers and then u will never have to worry about who goes next ever again.... hope this helps
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Rule of thumb is the bowler on the right goes first.
So this means that the bowler on lane 2 has to wait longer? No, the bowler that is ready to bowl, in this case lane 2, should be the one that would go next.
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If you knew how the pba done it you would understand much better... 1st of all the person on lane 2 shouldnt even have their ball in hand and ready until lane 3 goes... This seems extreme for a league I know but if everyone learned this methos nobody would have to wait, and the pace would be so much more faster than you would expect. I double jumped walter ray williams and that all it took for me to learn what was going on....hehe that look he gave me was priceless!!!!!
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If you knew how the pba done it you would understand much better... 1st of all the person on lane 2 shouldnt even have their ball in hand and ready until lane 3 goes... This seems extreme for a league I know but if everyone learned this methos nobody would have to wait, and the pace would be so much more faster than you would expect. I double jumped walter ray williams and that all it took for me to learn what was going on....hehe that look he gave me was priceless!!!!!
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1st time I disagree with you, John D.
2 lane is as good or better than 1 pair. It's all what you're used to and can do. It takes 2 brain cells and some getting used to, in order to do either regularly and consistently.
Having bowled for 40+ years and not being too dim witted, 1 pair is harder to get used to than 1 or 2 lane courtesy. Been there; done that. Any system will work IF people adhere to the rules!
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And that 's what's wrong with 2 lane courtesy. Many different opinions all think their way is correct. One league I bowl in used to have 2 lane courtesy and, often, five guys would be standing there telling someone it was their turn to bowl.
"It's your turn"
"No, after you"
"I'm waiting for him"
"Geez, will someone go?"
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And that 's what's wrong with 2 lane courtesy. Many different opinions all think their way is correct. One league I bowl in used to have 2 lane courtesy and, often, five guys would be standing there telling someone it was their turn to bowl.
"It's your turn"
"No, after you"
"I'm waiting for him"
"Geez, will someone go?"
NO! That's not what's wrong. What wrong is the other element: no one knows whether the person on the right or the left goes first, when both are ready at the same time. Same problem exists with the PBA's one pair courtesy!
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I've bowled several PBA regionals but even in the first one it didn't take but a couple of frames to understand the pace and rhythm of who goes next and when.It gave me lots of confidebce to know that no one on either side was going to run up on me.
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"It's your turn"
"No, after you"
"I'm waiting for him"
"Geez, will someone go?"
LOL.
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"It's your turn"
"No, after you"
"I'm waiting for him"
"Geez, will someone go?"
That right there describes the scratch sweeper that I bowled in yesterday morning. People not knowing when it is there turn to bowl. The PBA way is the best for setting a tournament pace. Plus if you pay attention, you always know when it is your turn to bowl.
USBC nationals are a different story. They tell you in the pre-meeting that it is one lane and then the monitors are supposed to enforce it if they catch you giving two lanes on each side. Been many a "discussion" with glaring idiots when the whole center won't wait for them to throw a shot.
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Mike Craig-Columbus, OH
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"It's your turn"
"No, after you"
"I'm waiting for him"
"Geez, will someone go?"
LOL. Might as well be a 4-way stop!
The only problem I see with the PBA rule in league is that half the time people are running round getting food/drinks, checking brackets, buying 50/50, etc... and are not ready to bowl when it's their turn. Therefore, I'd say in this instance if the guy on #2 is raring to go, let him. I'd rather let someone that anxious go do their thing than wonder if they're going to run up on me if I go.
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USBC nationals are a different story. They tell you in the pre-meeting that it is one lane and then the monitors are supposed to enforce it if they catch you giving two lanes on each side. Been many a "discussion" with glaring idiots when the whole center won't wait for them to throw a shot.
I've gotten a few dirty looks and heard a few balls slam at Nationals because I didn't give them the courtesy they felt they needed outside of the rules that were stated before bowling started.
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com
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We don't do 2-lane courtesy in leagues here, just 1-lane. The unwritten rule is that if you get up at the same time as someone else, whoever is picking up a spare goes first. If you both are on the second ball, the worse leave goes first so as not to jinx the other guy. Especially if it's a split. Otherwise, it's the guy on the right.
SH
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I personally don't need to have two lanes. It's preferrable, of course, but I can operate just fine with one lane of courtesy. Since that's all the rules require, I pay attention to who I'm around that night. People who seem to pop up on me two lanes down while I'm getting ready to bowl obviously don't feel they need two lanes of courtesy, so I won't always give it to them. If I'm around people who want two lanes courtesy and we get up there at the same time, they just wave me toward the approach or tell me "go ahead." No argument here. I haven't had any problems with this technique in leagues in my area.
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The league that I just joined here in Albert Lea gives 2 lanes. Nobody explained that to me the first night until after I had walked up on someone I was on 3 they were on 5, they backed off. I had no clue I was not really paying attention to what was going on. So now I know to give the 2 lanes. When I was bowling in Sioux Falls I bowled with a group of guys that during practice it was common for me to be on 3 and the guy on 4 would go at the same time. That works really well for learning to stay focused and getting lined up at the same time.
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Brunswick
Kyle
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If you are following true two lane courtesy, then as long as the bowler on 3 was ready to go before the bowler on 1 started, he should have gone first, no matter how long the bowler on lane 2 was standing there. If the bowler on lane 3 was not ready to go when the bowler on lane 1 started, then as long as no one was up on lane 4 the bowler on lane 2 can go. That is two lane courtesy.
From my experience if you want two lane courtesy to work well, the PBA version is the way to go. It keeps the pace moving a lot quicker then just regular 2 lane courtesy. And if someone is off getting food/drinks/etc, it won't disrupt the PBA version.....if there is no one getting ready or ready to bowl on a pair to either side, then you go, you only wait if there is someone there preparing.
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Jorge300
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Bowler 2. Since bowler 2 has been waiting longer for bowler 1 to actually bowl, then bowler 3.
But I have to admit if bowler 1 is a very slow bowler, I'd just go ahead and go. He's messing up the entire flow of three pairs by being extraordinarily slow; especially if this is a handicap league or low cap scratch league. If you are going to institute a PBA type lane curtesy also put in a shot clock.
Erin