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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Shoutout33 on January 09, 2019, 04:03:11 AM
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Hello all! Been away from the game for a while now, but plan to start playing again soon in the near future. I know that I want to throw some Lane Masters stuff, basically because of the 2-piece construction.
Don't know if that's a big deal anymore, but I always wanted to throw their stuff. That being said, what other companies make 2-piece balls? I saw Brunswick's Quantum BIAS and got excited, but realized that it's the only ball from that line right now.
Many thanks in advance for any and all help.
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Hyroad series. Honey Badger.
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A man after my own heart. I owned about 10 Legends/ Lane Master 2 piece balls. I stopped bowling for 7 years and my wife asked what I wanted for Christmas. Oh a Honey Badger..... had to start again just wanted to throw one that much.
I think it’s the whole line of Badgers. DV8 Poision is too I think. All the new Quantum’s, I’m almost sure they are.
But the Honey Badger is a no brainier. I just love throwing it, when I’m fit to do so.
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Quantum Bias - asym.
Poison - sym.
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900 Global: Honey Badger, Honey Badger Claw, Badger, White Hot Badger
Storm: Hyroad, Hyroad Pearl, Hyroad Nano, Hyroad X, Fever Pitch
DV8: Poison
Brunswick: Quantum Bias
Hammer: Black Urethane (Black Hammer), Purple Pearl Urethane (Purple Hammer)
I might be missing a few but these are the ones off the top of my head. I love throwing 2 piece balls. In my opinion it drives much more and has less over under reaction
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You can still find a few Lane Masters balls that are two piece. I think there are four Hy-road balls currently available too. Brunswick not only has the Quantum Bias but Buddies still has the classic black quantum on their website in the sale section if you want a 14 or 15.
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Oh, and a few urethane if you are interested in that.
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All the "Badgers" (there's 4 of them) from 900 Global are 2-piece balls---2 asymmetric and 2 symmetric
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The easy way to look for 2 piece balls at a glance is generally to look for an RG min of 2.57 or greater (or occasionally 2.56) for a 15lb ball. Not every 2.57 is two piece (so have to look closer) but every 2 piece I am aware of has an RG > 2.55.
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The largest issue for bowlers that use different weights in 2 piece design. The bowler must be aware of different performance when selecting the ball weight and how to layout to get good performance. I get the idea that many bowlers don't even consider this. IMO this is a huge mistake.
16 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.52 .054 .011
15 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.57 .041 .008
14 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.64 .020 .003
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The largest issue for bowlers that use different weights in 2 piece design. The bowler must be aware of different performance when selecting the ball weight and how to layout to get good performance. I get the idea that many bowlers don't even consider this. IMO this is a huge mistake.
16 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.52 .054 .011
15 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.57 .041 .008
14 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.64 .020 .003
Can't speak to 14lb but can say from experience even though the diff of a 16lb Hy-Road Pearl is much larger it will still hook less than a 15lb OG Hy-Road at least for me. Coverstock still is the more important consideration but yes one drawback to 2 piece balls is often the differences in the core between weights or even a lack of the lighter weights.
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Quantum and Poison maintain dynamic integrity 14-16. The only way to do it is design 3 cores.
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If you think a HB doesn't hook, then we need to have a chat. Just because a ball has .041 diff doesn't mean it's a light oil ball.
I'mma start a thread "How much diff do you really need?"
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The largest issue for bowlers that use different weights in 2 piece design. The bowler must be aware of different performance when selecting the ball weight and how to layout to get good performance. I get the idea that many bowlers don't even consider this. IMO this is a huge mistake.
16 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.52 .054 .011
15 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.57 .041 .008
14 lb. 900G Honey Badger 2.64 .020 .003
Can't speak to 14lb but can say from experience even though the diff of a 16lb Hy-Road Pearl is much larger it will still hook less than a 15lb OG Hy-Road at least for me. Coverstock still is the more important consideration but yes one drawback to 2 piece balls is often the differences in the core between weights or even a lack of the lighter weights.
Since I use 14 lb. I can speak to the difference in the majority of 2 piece designs. I applaud manufacturers that do design different 2 piece weight blocks to keep the integrity if the designed ball. LM/L/LF don't even put out 16lb and 14 lb. information you have to dig that info. out of CAL Bowling which I have done with help from them.
In the OG Storm Hy-Roads it's exactly what I seek but in most other 2 piece designs 14 lb. are woefully lacking in total differential this means a 14 lb. user would have to use much different pin to PAP distance than 15 lb. users. Being that I will do the research I tend to shy away from these specific balls and don't consider them. The 900G Badger line would be one such line as an example. For those that don't do the research and then find through usage that a ball didn't perform for them as expected that could be one large reason.
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I own that 14 lb. core in the new Badger Claw version it hooks plenty for me lol. Numbers are important but I personally have never seen much difference in differential. Maybe it's just my style but from my understanding they should flare less. I've never seen that equaling less hook despite throwing many different low differential balls.
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Also, don't sleep on Brunswick's exclusive DynamiCore technology, it's available in multiple balls (Kingpin series, Tenacity series, Method, Vapor Zone, Fearless, True Motion, Mag 055, DV8 Pitbull Bark). Higher coefficient of restitution and more kinetic energy at the pins. Very durable outer cores on these balls.
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Also, don't sleep on Brunswick's exclusive DynamiCore technology, it's available in multiple balls (Kingpin series, Tenacity series, Method, Vapor Zone, Fearless, True Motion, Mag 055, DV8 Pitbull Bark). Higher coefficient of restitution and more kinetic energy at the pins. Very durable outer cores on these balls.
I’ll take a high dose of melatonin on it ;D
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Nothing makes me laugh harder than the staffers(and wanna be staffers) spewing the latest marketing propaganda from their chosen company.
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Nothing makes me laugh harder than the staffers(and wanna be staffers) spewing the latest marketing propaganda from their chosen company.
+100000000000
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Is it still marketing when it's backed by data?
CoR higher than standard outer core material, nearly the same as 2 piece thick shell balls in lab test.
More durable, lowest warranty claims in the history on balls with DynamiCore.
We're innovating new technologies, solving problems bowlers have seen for many years. With DOT and DynamiCore, we're expecting cracking to be almost non existent.
If nothing makes you laugh harder than staffers on ballreviews, then I suggest hitting up a local comedy club once in a while because the joke is on you.
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Is it still marketing when it's backed by data?
CoR higher than standard outer core material, nearly the same as 2 piece thick shell balls in lab test.
More durable, lowest warranty claims in the history on balls with DynamiCore.
We're innovating new technologies, solving problems bowlers have seen for many years. With DOT and DynamiCore, we're expecting cracking to be almost non existent.
If nothing makes you laugh harder than staffers on ballreviews, then I suggest hitting up a local comedy club once in a while because the joke is on you.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Sure, sure. It's the same claims that has been made by the ball companies since BEFORE I even started bowling.
Lane Masters/Legends talked about how their balls "sounded different" when they hit the pins and how they only used "premium grade A resins" in their construction and how their two piece designs improved the CoR.
When Motiv first came out, they talked up the "Reverb" outer core and how it transfers energy more efficiently to the pins and made a unique sound.
Just a couple of years ago, Hammer went with claiming carbon fiber in their covers made the balls last longer and hit harder because it transferred energy to the pins more efficiently.
So yea, I laugh. Your company has done nothing new. Oh wait, I'm sorry, they moved the pin to a different location. Lordy, what innovation...
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Sure, sure. It's the same claims that has been made by the ball companies since BEFORE I even started bowling.
Lane Masters/Legends talked about how their balls "sounded different" when they hit the pins and how they only used "premium grade A resins" in their construction and how their two piece designs improved the CoR.
When Motiv first came out, they talked up the "Reverb" outer core and how it transfers energy more efficiently to the pins and made a unique sound.
Just a couple of years ago, Hammer went with claiming carbon fiber in their covers made the balls last longer and hit harder because it transferred energy to the pins more efficiently.
So yea, I laugh. Your company has done nothing new. Oh wait, I'm sorry, they moved the pin to a different location. Lordy, what innovation...
You forgot Columbia's HyperShock technology. Also the black core materials in Ebonite and Track blocks (the name escapes me).
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CoR higher than standard outer core material, nearly the same as 2 piece thick shell balls in lab test.
More durable, lowest warranty claims in the history on balls with DynamiCore.
Then show this data against all your claims including against your competitors! What is the differences, compared to say what Hammer is doing? 4 year warranty is nice but very few people keep a ball 4 years.. Too many balls on the market too many choices. Bowling ball companies are marketing big claims constantly. Not hard to blow this off as just marketing, this is a new thing so your going to have a hard time getting all these warranty claims.
If you can show the data and its legit then I will shake your hand until then its just marketing...
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p.s. But I do think Brunswick is onto something with the D.O.T. thing. Time will tell if it plays out as described but the idea makes sense to me.
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Sure, sure. It's the same claims that has been made by the ball companies since BEFORE I even started bowling.
Lane Masters/Legends talked about how their balls "sounded different" when they hit the pins and how they only used "premium grade A resins" in their construction and how their two piece designs improved the CoR.
When Motiv first came out, they talked up the "Reverb" outer core and how it transfers energy more efficiently to the pins and made a unique sound.
Just a couple of years ago, Hammer went with claiming carbon fiber in their covers made the balls last longer and hit harder because it transferred energy to the pins more efficiently.
So yea, I laugh. Your company has done nothing new. Oh wait, I'm sorry, they moved the pin to a different location. Lordy, what innovation...
You forgot Columbia's HyperShock technology. Also the black core materials in Ebonite and Track backs (the name escapes me).
Good catch! I forgot about them. There are probably others too. These companies just rehash the same ideas over and over.
The only thing that seems somewhat unique is Motiv's Neo Mark graphic, but I've seen some of the older Brunswick balls that look to have the labels made into the cover in a similar way(instead of being engraved), just not as large and extensive as Motiv does. Not that it improves the CoR, sound of ball hitting pins, energy transfer for better pin carry, cover stock durability or the taste of mom's apple pie...
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My ball knocks down pins in an effective manner sometimes. If one doesn't do it, I use another. ALL 900 GLOBAL, OF COURSE!!!!
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Is it still marketing when it's backed by data?
CoR higher than standard outer core material, nearly the same as 2 piece thick shell balls in lab test.
More durable, lowest warranty claims in the history on balls with DynamiCore.
We're innovating new technologies, solving problems bowlers have seen for many years. With DOT and DynamiCore, we're expecting cracking to be almost non existent.
If nothing makes you laugh harder than staffers on ballreviews, then I suggest hitting up a local comedy club once in a while because the joke is on you.
Where’s the data?
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I feel like kicking a hornet's nest and ganging up. Even two piece balls aren't the same. None of my newer quantums hit like my Hy-Road or hell even as good as my nearly 15 year old mid range BVP Rampage (something about that core). The green is good on oil but nothing amazing carry wise. Certainly not better than my Warlock XV Solid except on a flood.
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I feel like kicking a hornet's nest and ganging up. Even two piece balls aren't the same. None of my newer quantums hit like my Hy-Road or hell even as good as my nearly 15 year old mid range BVP Rampage (something about that core). The green is good on oil but nothing amazing carry wise.
Did you try bowling in a lab? Or at least while wearing a lab coat? ;D
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I own several two piece balls and enjoy them mostly for they're higher rg values but the ball that seems to carry best for me would have to be my swerve. maybe it's just the best match for my game or the green filler inside. I'm leaning towards the ball matching up with my game. my second best performing ball is also not a 2 piece so I'm gonna have to say 2 piece no matta.
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Doom and Brunsnick are legends....they get a lifetime staffer pass on BR....
Anywho, I have a buddy who hates the HB in 14...
Thanks for bopping by Nick!
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Hey all, many thanks for all of the replies and input! Whew, touched a few nerves huh? Listen, I've bowled on and off since was single digits. I've bowled with almost every brand except some of the newer stuff. To me, it boils down to what I want to bowl with...period. In my opinion, all of the companies out there make good and bad stuff. If I don't go with Lane Master's, it'll be Lane 1's stuff. (milorafferty would really have a field day with them!) Why? Because I've always wanted to throw their gear. No more, no less. Again, thanks for the replies, they are greatly appreciated!
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I loved some of the Lane #1 stuff. The Pink Panther were fantastic ball as was the C2 balls. I still have a Blueberry C2 and a Bloody Panther that are undrilled.
But they also had some marketing BS times as well. Remember the Difference balls? Marketing crap, nothing more.
ALL companies make some good equipment. But honestly with the USBC restrictions none are c9ming out with any new break throughs as they would have you believe. It's all just marketing.
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I loved some of the Lane #1 stuff. The Pink Panther were fantastic ball as was the C2 balls. I still have a Blueberry C2 and a Bloody Panther that are undrilled.
But they also had some marketing BS times as well. Remember the Difference balls? Marketing crap, nothing more.
ALL companies make some good equipment. But honestly with the USBC restrictions none are c9ming out with any new break throughs as they would have you believe. It's all just marketing.
Understood, and in many ways, I kind of agree with you. Like I said, for me, it's about what I want to throw. It doesn't make a difference any more of who does what better. FYI, just found out that Lane 1 has closed its doors, so it looks like it'll be Lane Master's gear for me! :)
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While I do buy into the two piece thing a bit, I think that matching up and having the “right†ball in your hand is FAR more important.
My first 300 came with a true two piece ball. My ONLY 800 ever came with a filler type ball, so either type ball can be the right ball at the right time.
Matchup > Construction.
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Nothing makes me laugh harder than the staffers(and wanna be staffers) spewing the latest marketing propaganda from their chosen company.
A true "Pyromania" in the making (already made?) here.