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Title: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: nowski1381 on March 20, 2008, 09:27:19 PM: So my good friend on my team shoots 300 tonight(650 series) and all night was throwing it in my face cause I haven't rolled a 300 yet. He has a 192 average, me a 210...I have (5) 700 series and an 805 this year...he's trying to say that rolling a 300 is harder than getting an 800 series. I said, how can shooting 300 be more difficult than averaging 268 for 3 games...so, what would you rather have? and which do you think is harder to accomplish???
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: 700Virgin on March 21, 2008, 05:49:52 AM: At this point...I'd take either!!
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: nowski1381 on March 21, 2008, 06:02:37 AM: It wasn't getting to me...he's my good friend and I was happy for him...I was giving him his credit because it's a great accomplishment...
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: abrown on March 21, 2008, 06:05:14 AM: ive seen a guy that averages 168 shoot a 300 so luck is required in shooting a 300 more so then skill
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: pop_1 on March 21, 2008, 07:09:29 AM: I think the 800 is tougher. Thats probably why I don't have one. lol
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: bucsfan713 on March 21, 2008, 07:19:05 AM: I would like to have both. I think the 800 is harder though. Before this year I had only had about 10 700's in my entire bowling career(15 years). This year I have had nearly 20 alone, with a high of 780. I am still in search of that 1st 300. There have been nights I have thrown the ball great, but there is always something that won't fall. Right now, as a personal goal of mine, I would rather have the 300 first, but if I happen to throw an 800, I'm not going to complain.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 21, 2008, 07:19:30 AM: I believe the 800 is more valued since it requires 30 frames of good bowling, not just 10.

Having not accomplished either one, I am confident I will shoot 800 before I shoot 300. Standing joke in my house is that I will probably get a 279 triplicate
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Dan Belcher on March 21, 2008, 07:22:25 AM: There's too much luck involved in getting a 300. I had the front 7 and left a STONE 9 pin last night. Yeah, I hit a pinch high. But if I hit a quarter inch further left OR right, it's a strike.

I've had two sanctioned 300s (plus another one in practice) and a 299. (All of them this season actually, at two very different houses). Yet I've never had an 800. I can't put together three high games. My two highest sets are a 786 and a 776. It's very, very hard to keep up with transition and bowl three consecutive games averaging 267 or higher.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Pinbuster on March 21, 2008, 07:27:12 AM: The 800 is tougher without a doubt.

Look at the numbers. There will be 5 to 6 times as many 300's shot this year as 800's.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Hogsharley on March 21, 2008, 07:30:38 AM: You can get lucky 300's. You can't get lucky 800's. You have to really earn the 800.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: triggerman on March 21, 2008, 07:49:41 AM: 800 is tougher, I figured I'd shoot 800 before 300 as I have tons of 279 games (in excess of 75) but as fate would have it, I shot my first 300 this year (and yes luck is somewhat needed, I had a lucky break in the run) then 4 months later I pop off another 300. that night I had the shot at 800 and blew it in the 8th frame of game 3
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Rock77 on March 21, 2008, 07:50:34 AM: Even if I didn't already have a 300, I'd go with the 800. As mentioned already, anybody can be good for one game, but it takes more than that to shoot an 800. You have to be good all night.

All too often I've seen people shoot a 300 and barely break 600 for the night or in your friend's case, only shoot 650. Yeah, he shot 300, but he only averaged 175 for the other two games.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: psaunders300 on March 21, 2008, 07:54:28 AM: As Pinbuster said, statistics say that shooting an 800 series is many times more difficult than shooting a 300 game. The 800 series is by far a better achievement.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: sdbowler on March 21, 2008, 10:48:45 AM: quote:
At this point...I'd take either!!

Same here but since I have a 300 I would really like an 800.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: HamPster on March 21, 2008, 10:49:12 AM: Print this all off to show your buddy. 300 requires mostly consistency and a bit of luck for 1 game. 800 requires nearly all consistency and a bit of luck per game for 3 games. Now whereas 800 allows you to miss here or there once or twice a game, 300 requires all of them going down every shot, but it doesn't take 3 solid games to shoot 300. Plus the crunch time is a lot smaller . . you can't really think 300 until you get the front 8 at least, and shouldn't until you get 9, but we all do it. But when you go into the last game of a set with 540 or 550 and have a good shot . . you can't tell me you're not thinking 800, and then instead of just having to worry about a few shots, you've got 12 shots to think about over the next 45 minutes if you're bowling 5 man teams. 300's are really fun, but 800 is the real number. There are a lot of guys out there that have a handful of 300's that will never crack even 750, but I bet you can't find one person out there at the end of their bowling career that has an 800 and doesn't have a 300, or at least that doesn't have a significant amount of 800's without a 300.

He only shot 650? What happened the other two games? He can have his 300. I'd take that in league. Let him shoot 300 one game, but if he posts a couple 175's the other two and we take two out of three games and total . . yay for him. As you can see . . 300 is more of a number for you to take pride in. Saying you got a 300 nowadays doesn't mean a whole lot to anybody else, but for you and your close friends, there's that sense of accomplishment, and something else to add to the resume. People still respect 800's. Here's a suggestion. Take your buddy out pot bowling since your average is 20 pins higher . . then we'll see where that 300 gets that one game wonder . .
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 21, 2008, 10:50:34 AM: as someone who has shot both these honor scores it is tough to do both of them. however, it is more difficult to shoot an 800 series. many people( bowlers and non bowlers alike )see the 300 game as more exciting and prestigious but it's far more difficult to bowl extremely well( and carry ) for three consecutive games.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 11:01:53 AM: Well, I've only bowled a 300 game. I haven't got a 800 or actually anywhere near one. With that in mind, I haven't bowled in a THS league in about a year and only bowl sport shots. I've been bowling for about 2.5 years. So, when I was bowling in a THS league I wasn't that good, now I AVG about 210-230 on practice nights for about 7-10 games. I only try throwing high series in games 2-4. Game 1 being practice. My highest so far like that is a wimpy 720, this is on a beat up house shot though with tons of carry down.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: KDawg77 on March 21, 2008, 11:12:47 AM: Besides split pickup, all I have left is an 800 (and a 900...*cough*).
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: MAJM on March 21, 2008, 11:14:53 AM: Since I've bowled both I would say that 800 is tougher.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: rackattack on March 21, 2008, 11:37:03 AM: Case in point: 300-199-300=799. I would have traded those last two games for a couple of 250s in a heartbeat.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: johns811 on March 21, 2008, 11:48:36 AM: I saw a bowler roll a 300 game and not hit 600 series. 800 is way more an accomplishment. You can luck into a 300 game, but not an 800 series.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: TheGame300 on March 21, 2008, 11:52:03 AM: Well considering what happened to me this week, I want the 800. When I shot my 300, I shot 246-300-246=792. This past week, I shot 244-262-289=795. I stoned a 9 pin in the 11th frame. I would have been happy to have left that 9 pin for the 299 and been happy with an 800 but I can just seem to never get that one break I need for it.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Sean John 369 on March 21, 2008, 11:57:26 AM: They are both Great accomplishments. I have 3 300s and 1 800. My highest set with my 300 is 778. I shot 821 without a 300 game. 289 289 and 243. You have to put up 3 big games to shoot 800. I would say that is a lil more challenging. Just in my opinion. Id rather have an 800..
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Quadrajet on March 21, 2008, 01:55:04 PM: 800 is tougher, no doubt about it.

How many mediocre bowlers do you know that have shot 300? I don't have enough fingers and toes to count them all around here. How many mediocre bowlers do you know with 800's?

With a 300 you only really get nervous the last 4 or 5 frames, with an 800, you have the whole last game to get nervous AND possibly a transition to deal with (if you didn't get any in the 2nd game).

Congrats on the 805 by the way!
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: skbowl800 on March 21, 2008, 01:56:22 PM: Earlier this year I saw a guy shoot 300 with 4 shots through the beek and 3 brooklyns.
I have never shot 300 but have shot 800 back in 2002 and I believe there were almost 3 times as many 300s shot that year according to the USBC
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Jorge300 on March 21, 2008, 02:02:18 PM: I would rather have an 800. It shows that you rolled well for 3 games, while a 300 is just one game. It takes luck to acheive either of these, and skill as well. Take Wednesday night I start out with the first 15 strikes, 4 pin, then the ball just jumps for a split, get 2 and then leave an 8 count on the next frame on that lane. Finish with a stone 10 in the 11th for a 222 the second game. Then go Front 7, 4-6, sheet for 266=788. I didn't read the lanes right and missed a move in the 2nd and 3rd game, no 800. if a catch a break and bust up those splits, I shoot 800, or if I was skilled enough to make better adjustments, I shoot 800...no luck, no skill.....no 800. LOL.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: BuzzsawCrazy on March 21, 2008, 03:05:45 PM: I have had two 800 series (808, 804). I think the 800 series is tougher than the 300 game. I mean anyone can get lucky and shoot 300. but a good bowler shoots and 800 series. It takes one game to shoot 300 but it takes three real good games to put together an 800 series.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: CHawk15 on March 21, 2008, 03:12:17 PM: You're good friend is having a temporary moment of insanity or a warped view of reality. 800 is way harder than 300, especially in today's game.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: clint191 on March 21, 2008, 04:00:33 PM: 800 is harder to achieve. You pretty much have to be in a "zone" for 36 shots. 300 only requires 12.

Ask me which I'd rather have, I'll take the 300. The first question from a friend/family member who doesn't bowl is "have you ever had a 300"? I think it impresses them more if you can say you've had a perfect game vs 3 "almosts" and an 800.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: dicnic on March 21, 2008, 04:13:12 PM: If I shot 300 (never have) and had a 650 series, I would be proud of the 300 but really ashamed of the 650 series. That total would indicate that the 300 was really lucky as the other two games averaged 175.

This is one of the peculiar aspects of bowling. How we can shoot lights out one game and almost nothing the next game (or vice-versa). My cousin shot 232 the first game Thursday and followed up with a 135. Same lanes, same ball, same bowler.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: tenpin477 on March 21, 2008, 04:50:25 PM: I only find cases like that funny where the lane is playing exactly the same way. I had a teammate like that this year. He shot 268 his first game and wound up with a 550 series. And believe, it wasnt because of carry down, or a transition, or anything like that, he just started to miss his mark, and converted 1 spare the whole second game.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Fatboy8 on March 21, 2008, 05:02:30 PM: IMO an 800 would be tougher. You've got to have 3 great games to hit that 8, one good game for the 3.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: jhartwig24 on March 21, 2008, 05:25:57 PM: I just shot my very first 300 game last night (Thurs.) and I have to say, it takes a lot of skill for a 300, and some luck is needed as well, but 800 is something that takes a lot more skill & luck and that is my next goal! A 300 game is quite an achievement, but an 800 series is just so hard to get being there are alot more variables you have to overcome like the lanes changing, the line breaking down, and the ball working perfectly for 36 frames! Now that I have my 300 game under my belt, now I'll be working on my 800!
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: sflan800 on March 21, 2008, 06:00:09 PM: The 800 every time, It is the measure of a good bowler, The 300 even if you hit the pocket 36 times there has to be luck involved. A 160 avg bowler can bowl 300 but not have a chance for 800. IMHO
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: alloutsmith3 on March 21, 2008, 09:08:30 PM: 800 is definately the greater accomplishment. If I never shot 300 again I wouldn't care as long as I was able to get my couple of 800's each year.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: EJ300 on March 21, 2008, 09:10:26 PM: 800 Def but I haven't had either only 2 299's, dang ten pin
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: titletowncards on March 22, 2008, 12:22:31 AM: I think an 800 is tougher, but I also think 300 is the one number in bowling all bowlers shoot for. It's perfection and nothings better than that.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: TDC57 on March 22, 2008, 12:37:43 AM: I once had the opportunity to sit and talk with Earl Anthony and he had an 800 ring on. I asked if I could look at it and he took it and said "300 is great but this is what takes the most skill". I think he's right. I've seen many 300s shot and some have been done by lower average guys or guys who had a few lucky strikes. No low average guy is going to shoot 800 and a few lucky shots won't help much when trying to get 800.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Zach M on March 22, 2008, 01:39:00 AM: Absolutely the 800 series. It has to be so much tougher to put together 3 games. Lanes also change more over 3 games than 1. You have to adjust. 800 will be extremely difficult to get.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: rhbowling07 on March 22, 2008, 01:40:26 AM: 800 series r harder.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: delpzooka on March 22, 2008, 01:58:23 AM: 800 series
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: dwp on March 22, 2008, 05:57:32 AM: I was fortunate to get my 800 last year. And by far it's
harder to get then a 300. Actually, I shot 842 and then
the following week I shot 819. But haven't come close since.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: nowski1381 on March 22, 2008, 06:25:37 AM: He shot 190, 160, then 300...talk about inconsistent...

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He only shot 650? What happened the other two games? He can have his 300. I'd take that in league. Let him shoot 300 one game, but if he posts a couple 175's the other two and we take two out of three games and total . . yay for him. As you can see . . 300 is more of a number for you to take pride in. Saying you got a 300 nowadays doesn't mean a whole lot to anybody else, but for you and your close friends, there's that sense of accomplishment, and something else to add to the resume. People still respect 800's. Here's a suggestion. Take your buddy out pot bowling since your average is 20 pins higher . . then we'll see where that 300 gets that one game wonder . .
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Joeyd on March 22, 2008, 06:49:29 AM: quote:
Case in point: 300-199-300=799. I would have traded those last two games for a couple of 250s in a heartbeat.

I hear that loud and clear!! Ten years ago, I shot 300-186(AHH!)-299, and to date I still don't have an 800 series. I get grief from my friends about it every so often. I've got 10 300's and I'd trade 5 of them for an 800 series in a heartbeat!!

There are 15 (I think?) 300's at my home center this year, zero 800's. My vote goes for the 800 being tougher.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: MSC2471 on March 22, 2008, 08:05:07 AM: I believe in Gardner this season there are 25 300's this season and 10 800's. I have friends who have been able to put up their first 800's this season (one of them had 2 800's in 3 weeks), but I've yet to throw one. I've had 6 790's (last season I ended with a 798) and I've had 3 300's in the past 2 years so I would consider an 800 the more difficult accomplishment. You can put up 31 strikes in 36 frames and if you have one open or string them the wrong way, you still will not shoot 800.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Mr Hurt24 on March 22, 2008, 09:56:51 AM: I agree as well that a 800 is way harder than a 300....I am lucky to say that I shot both...I have 1 300 and my only 800 which is a 836.. i tell you when i shot the 800 i didnt even know i was on a pace to shoot it..I was sitting around looking at this Tuesday mixed league and one of my boys ask me if i could bowl for them...Now i didnt not have a warm up shot but had an ideal on how to play the lane..I just brought the BW solid and figure i need to practice with this ball...Man oh man...268, 279, 289 later i shot the 800..i didnt look at the score board and felt so relax which was shocking for me and didnt get nervous until the 11th ball in the last game which the 10 pin cost me 300....But i shot the 800 first and then brought a pearl cherry bomb for $25 bucks( ha, ha sucker) and shot 300 3 days later.. So 800 is tough just dont pay attention to the score, relax, and have fun..it worked for me
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: jlc on March 22, 2008, 11:13:10 AM: I feel that in today's game 800 is way more impressive then 300. I have seen some real hacks shoot 300 games to the point that 300 no longer impresses me very much to be honest. For someone to shoot 800 means they were on for the whole night and made that proper adjustments there are no lucky 800's IMHO.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: ddown88 on March 22, 2008, 07:01:03 PM: There is no doubt about this topic. I just shot my first 300 game (257, 300, 200). I realized I had a chance for 800 going in to my third game but I was emotionally drained after shooting 300 in my second game. I was mentally tough for 10 frames, but to be mentally tough for 30 is something I would like to accomplish.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Bluff on March 22, 2008, 07:04:53 PM: 800

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 22, 2008, 07:43:27 PM: You know 300 is cool, and is the number most people not associated with bowling recognize. When talking bowling, people will always say, have you ever bowled a 300? I have never in my life heard anyone who is not a bowler say have you ever bowled an 800 series?

To the people that do bowl, 800 will always be more impressive.

The thing for me that is crazy about 800, is that you could throw 30 strikes with no opens and not shoot 800. It's all about stringing them, and stringing them in the correct order. If you were to go XXXX9/9/XXXXXX for 3 games you shoot 800....if you were to go XXX9/X9/XXXXXX all 3 games, you don't.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: bstone on March 22, 2008, 11:52:47 PM: to me an 800 carries more signifigance since it covers 3 games, as has beeen posted on here before. one night this year I had 1 team mate shoot 798 while another shot 815. only difference was 1 mark. 798 guy missed 6 times with 1 split and 815 guy missed 5 times no opens. I've bowled both and its definitely harder
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: mumzie on March 23, 2008, 01:09:11 AM: quote:
You can get lucky 300's. You can't get lucky 800's. You have to really earn the 800.

Bingo.
I've done both.
I'm proud of both. But the 800 ring is the one I wear.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: nowski1381 on March 23, 2008, 05:42:33 PM: I guess it just frustrates me that I don't have a 300 yet...the past few years I've been a 190-195 avg bowler and this year I was up as high as 220 and now at a 212...I've had 11 in a row twice this year(290 both times), starting with a damn 10pin the striking out...I've had the front 9 a few times and it just gets to me that I haven't been able to finish...in the past after I'd get the front 6 or 7 I'd be so damn nervous, and now I get to 8 or 9 and I'm still pretty calm so I don't think it's the nerves...who knows...
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: nowski1381 on March 23, 2008, 05:46:25 PM: That really puts it into perspective right there...

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The thing for me that is crazy about 800, is that you could throw 30 strikes with no opens and not shoot 800. It's all about stringing them, and stringing them in the correct order. If you were to go XXXX9/9/XXXXXX for 3 games you shoot 800....if you were to go XXX9/X9/XXXXXX all 3 games, you don't.

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: bstone on March 23, 2008, 06:03:04 PM: yeah but I've had a 300 & 279 & didn't make 800... had 171 1st game!

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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Metal_rules on March 24, 2008, 11:34:24 AM: 800 FOR SURE! i have been bowlinf since i was 5. my goal is still to get a 800 or higher series, current high 789. i have 1 sanctioned 300. i feel to ave 266.6, first of all you have to be on all nite not just for 1 game. 300 is still tough, but 800 has it beat for sure.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Sean John 369 on March 24, 2008, 04:08:29 PM: I shot my 821 at 17 years of age and later shot 300 next round of the tourney. I have not come close to that sense.. Im now 23. I have not displayed nearly as much talent as what i had then. With some dedication it can happen though. I can say that i was "in the zone" that day. Everything fell. I didnt know i shot 800. I was focusing on executing each shot. one frame games. I go front 10 twice and then a 2 pin for 2 back to back 289s. and then like front 7 slit next 4 or something like that...243. Didnt care about scores or anything. Just bowling. But i can also say that that 12th frame for your 300 is nerve wrecking!!!!My first one i went brooklyn my next two were buried in the whole. People stopping and watching. All of a sudded the bowl gets dead silent. Shooting 300 is tough..800 is a greater accomplishment.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Sean John 369 on March 24, 2008, 04:11:34 PM: Shooting 800 is surreal.. It's magical or something!!!seriously....I didnt feel like myself that day...When you shoot 300 you feel more like"It's about dang time!!" because really, how many times have we gone front 9.10,or 11 and get robbed. lol
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: mrfjmt on March 24, 2008, 04:22:02 PM: The harder one is the one you haven't yet accomplished.
Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Zanatos1914 on March 25, 2008, 07:26:22 AM: This year a couple of 200 games would be good but I would say 800 is harder than 300.. After throwing so many strikes the lanes start changing and most of the time I make the wrong adjustment.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: leftyinsnellville on March 25, 2008, 07:36:14 AM: I've thrown one 800 in my life and no 300s. I'd rather have the 300. Nobody notices an 800 series when it's happening...the whole center gets quiet when you're throwing in the tenth after getting the front nine. Guess I'm a glory hound...I want the instant gratification that comes from throwing a 300.
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Title: Re: 300 game or 800 series???
Post by: Phoneman on March 25, 2008, 07:46:50 AM: I have many 300s and until this year I had not had an 800 I shot my first back in January. It is by far the harder of the 2 accomplishments. Look at the number of 300s comapered to 800s in any year.