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Hook

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sliding pins
« on: February 27, 2008, 01:55:46 AM »
I bowl at a bowling center that is top-notch in all aspects...except for one. The pins routinely slide across the pindeck without falling. On Monday, it happened at least 12 times, that I saw. I see more crazy leaves in one night than I've seen in my past 20 years of bowling combined. What gives? Oily pindeck? Isn't the pindeck stripped of oil when the lane is?
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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 10:02:07 AM »
depends on the center, some strip and oil everyday, some just oil.  we strip and oil everyday no matter what.  what kind of lane machine do they use?  if they normally strip and oil they might need to adjust the machine a little as it may not be working properly
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NicholasE

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 10:04:15 AM »
lol i've only seen it a few times happen. I've seen once like a 4 pin slid into the 7 pin spot and they have to shoot it..lol I had this to actually happen to me in a tourny it was the 4 and 5 pin that they thought should be up because it stopped sliding near that spot but I dont' know what it was, I think they was just trying to give me a split to pick up and I was mad. So I stepped up and split the pins and converted and turned around and said hows that for you mother flippin split..lol They was just scared so they tried to slow me down with a split...it didn't work...
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AngloBowler

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 10:17:15 AM »
The pindeck should be stripped when the rest of the lane is, but as has already been mentioned, the issue is how often does this happen?

The other point, if your centre puts a lot of oil down, then, through the normal course of play oil will be deposited on the pindeck, the more oil there is on the lane, the more oil can be moved to the deck, causing sliding pins.
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BuzzsawCrazy

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 11:05:39 AM »
We have that problem at the center I bowl at up here in Maine. We have a Kegel machine but we mix the striper with water like a 5:1 ratio. It's not enough to clean the backends and they are pretty weak and the pin decks get pretty mushy and pins begin to slide around and there are out of ranges all over the place. I just don't know why they don't fully strip. I"ve talk to them about it and they said they just can't do it.
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se7en

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 11:50:55 AM »
Our center had that problem. It was pretty bad.

They recently installed these gel pads the pins sit on.

It stopped the sliding, but introduced a couple other issues. One, messenger pins can be slowed down, if not have their course altered, if they are low to the deck. This happens rarely. The second is when a pin lightly taps another, where it would have had had enough energy to tip it over, and fails to do so. Could be conjecture though. That could very well happen with or without the pads I guess.

In all honesty, I'd rather have no gel pads. The pin sliding was rare in a sense that you'd see it within a few pairs of where you were bowling once or twice during a league session. Some of the anomalies you never experienced prior to the gel pads seem to occur more often than the sliding issues.
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Phoneman

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 11:53:57 AM »
I have mainly only seen this when the pins are new.  My center had the wonderful idea to put down powder detergent on the pin deck to stop the sliding.  Guess what this causes...some of the driest lanes you would ever see.
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myrddin97

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 12:07:53 PM »
This is an issue at the college center I bowl in.  There's a bit of an inside joke that the assistant manager doesn't like.  If you have a pin slide across the deck, a few people will say, "You got 'Steved'!"

What happened is they had their lanes resurfaced over the summer and the pin decks were like glass.  The manager thought it was from carry-down and too much oil on the lanes, even though they would have the sliding pins and out-of-ranges in the first game.  The assistant manager, who I bowl with in another house is sure all they have to do is scuff of the decks and that should take take care of the problem.  He confirmed this with the owner and former owner of the center we bowl in together.  Still, the manager of the college center refuses to let them even try.  It's not so bad anymore, but the other night, I had the 9 slide over to the 8 spot.
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Crankenstein300

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 12:41:30 PM »
I remember back in my pinchasing days in a house with wood lanes, they went and put a new topcoat on the lanes and pulled the coating all the way through the pindecks. After drying the pindecks were like ice and you had pins sliding all the way across the pindeck even far enough to not get touched by the racks. We ended up having to get out the sander and take off the finish to get the pins falling correctly again.
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Curly

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 05:49:01 AM »
We see tons of sliding pins at our center. The pins were new last season.
The lanes are new synthetics. They were installed this previous summer.
The pindecks are pretty smooth and the pins still have 'sharp' bottom edges.
The problem isnt as bad as it was so i'm Guessing that in time, the issue will correct itself. lolI've seen lane machines contribute to the issue too. A worn squeegie(sic) canleave a big strip of cleaning fluid on the pin deck. If I change the duster cloth but not reset the duster-cloth speed, the machine will leave huge frigginpuddles of cleaning fluid on the decks. lol. Ya outta see the pins slide then! lol

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spmcgivern

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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 06:22:25 AM »
I used to manage two centers and worked in two others.  If you ask me, it can be an issue of stopping the application of stripper to the lane too soon.  By the time the machine gets to the pin deck, all of the stripper has been vacuumed up and it is just pushing old oil.  So the first thing I would look at is the stripper application length.  If that isn't it, you could try bleaching the pin decks once a week or so.  After time, the bleach/water mixture will deteriorate the pin deck and it will become rough.  This will in turn reduce a lot of the out of ranges and sliding pins.
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Re: sliding pins
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 06:37:18 AM »
They are not using Twister pins are they?

If they are then..... bad luck!
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